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Govt Uk Music in Bars

r.padgett 25 Oct 10 - 12:45 PM
Arthur_itus 25 Oct 10 - 12:48 PM
Tootler 25 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM
Leadfingers 25 Oct 10 - 07:19 PM
Betsy 25 Oct 10 - 07:24 PM
Leadfingers 25 Oct 10 - 07:28 PM
GUEST 25 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM
Green Man 26 Oct 10 - 08:50 AM
Manitas_at_home 26 Oct 10 - 09:00 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Oct 10 - 09:13 AM
GUEST,The Shambles 26 Oct 10 - 09:19 AM
Jack Campin 26 Oct 10 - 05:26 PM
Tootler 26 Oct 10 - 06:13 PM
Richard Bridge 26 Oct 10 - 06:21 PM
Leadfingers 26 Oct 10 - 06:56 PM
Manitas_at_home 27 Oct 10 - 07:26 AM
synbyn 28 Oct 10 - 06:58 AM
mikesamwild 28 Oct 10 - 07:15 AM
Rob Naylor 28 Oct 10 - 07:32 AM
Tootler 28 Oct 10 - 11:35 AM
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Subject: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: r.padgett
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:45 PM

Just received this as interim response re Uk Petition on live music

Currently the Coalition Government is reviewing the situation concerning live music performance at smaller venues, and the Minister for Tourism and Heritage, John Penrose MP, is considering the result of the Consultation on Live Music which closed in March.   The Coalition is committed to cutting Red Tape, to encourage live music and is keen to find the best way forward. A number of options are being considered and the Minister will make an announcement in due course.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 12:48 PM

Ah the party that listen's :-)


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Tootler
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM

Typical politician's response. Meaningless.

I wait with baited breath, but not for too long or I will run short of oxygen.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:19 PM

IF its perfectly safe for a bar full of people to get drunk watching a Football match , why is it NOT safe for the same bar to have a few
people playing Music , without having to jump through a lot of Fire Escape , Emergency Lighting etc hoops ??


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Betsy
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:24 PM

Hiya Ray (Padge) ,
I got the same Email - and it is a complex issue . Let's put it like this, the Government couldn't (and still can't)do F**k al about what Bankers did and do , and similarly the PRS move in strange ways - lets's hope a bit of common sense kicks in . I hope so, and Tootler don't hold your breath for too long !!!!.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:28 PM

Personally , I think that the present crowd at Westminster are even MORE in the pockets of Big Business than the previous shower so the Breweries will make sure that they get the best deal !
And Live Music will lose out AGAIN !


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 07:58 PM

Fascinating Question....

<When did Music (western) begin to give notation in BARS?those verticle cross-lines.

What about tempo/metre....notation....could that also be a question????

Surely some muscial trad scholar can raise us to cheer...something above UK chips and beer?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Green Man
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 08:50 AM

When did the PRS have anything to do with music, they just want to line their won pockets. If gov have got their ears on they will have listened to the needs of the folk.

On the other hand, they suffer from CGAF (not a tuning) when it comes to something that doesnt impact them personally.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:00 AM

Wikipedia has:

It was not until the 14th century that something like the present system of fixed note lengths arose. Starting in the 15th century, vertical bar lines were used to divide the staff into sections.These did not initially divide the music into measures (bars) of equal length (as most music then featured far fewer regular rhythmic patterns than in later periods), but appear to have been introduced as an aid to the eye for "lining up" notes on different staves that were to be played or sung at the same time.The use of regular measures (bars) became commonplace by the end of the 17th century.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:13 AM

"Ah the party that listen's"
Only about the things that don't interfere with their plans to screw the people and con them into paying for the result of the recent greedfest.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 09:19 AM

The current sad situation for live music in bars and elsewhere, is detailed by many examples in the following thread.

It would seem that should anyone complain about anything, from the plumbing, seating or to the public vomiting outside or about entirely alcohol related problems, the end result is that live music is limited or prevented by our local authorities. However, the serving of alcohol continues.

thread.cfm?threadid=126147&messages=744&page=1&desc=yes


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 05:26 PM

The way I parsed the subject line at first was as

((government UK) music) in bars

Are they going to make "The March of the Cameron Men" compulsory on jukeboxes?


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Tootler
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:13 PM

I've given up holding my breath already. My asthma limits me as to how long I can hold my breath and not even playing a large and therefore, by definition, very noisy contrabass recorder has helped.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:21 PM

FFS - what is wrong with a general permission for music WITH NO AMPLIFICATION.

It's the amplification stupid. That's the problem.

Amplified big screens need licensing too.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Oct 10 - 06:56 PM

And WHY does a Pub need Special Consideration from the local Fire Brigade for Acoustic Music , but NOT for a bar full of drunks watching Sky Sports ??


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Oct 10 - 07:26 AM

Fiddles and accordions are more combustible than footie fans.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: synbyn
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 06:58 AM

all that friction... never heard of the Seasalter Conflagration, when the Dredge & Basket was burned to a cheese'n'onion by the careless act of an enthusiatic fiddler? it takes ages for rosin burns to heal...


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: mikesamwild
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:15 AM

We just get on with it till stopped, usually by a request from the regulars or landperson! Never met a copper or council enforcer..


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:32 AM

Manitas: Fiddles and accordions are more combustible than footie fans.

I think we need a controlled trial of that.

Fiddles are fairly similar in construction so a dozen broken ones would do for the trial. Footie fans cover a wide spectrum of sizes and shapes, so we'd probably need to burn several thousand of those to get a statistically significant result.


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Subject: RE: Govt Uk Music in Bars
From: Tootler
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 11:35 AM

so we'd probably need to burn several thousand of those to get a statistically significant result.

Then you have to replicate your results to confirm your findings, which would mean burning a few thousand more.


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