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Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat

Leadfingers 19 Nov 10 - 08:51 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 19 Nov 10 - 09:13 PM
Bat Goddess 19 Nov 10 - 09:18 PM
Leadfingers 19 Nov 10 - 09:27 PM
Joe Offer 19 Nov 10 - 09:51 PM
Charley Noble 19 Nov 10 - 11:27 PM
GUEST,Alan Whittle 20 Nov 10 - 05:27 AM
doc.tom 20 Nov 10 - 05:31 AM
GUEST,SteveT 20 Nov 10 - 05:51 AM
MoorleyMan 20 Nov 10 - 06:41 AM
GUEST,Alan Whittle 21 Nov 10 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,Bob Walser 21 Nov 10 - 05:01 PM
GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken) 24 Nov 10 - 03:24 PM
Charley Noble 24 Nov 10 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken) 24 Nov 10 - 08:50 PM
Charley Noble 24 Nov 10 - 10:22 PM
Mo the caller 25 Nov 10 - 06:05 AM
Charley Noble 25 Nov 10 - 08:25 AM
Mo the caller 25 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM
Leadfingers 26 Nov 10 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Alan Whittle 27 Nov 10 - 09:08 AM
GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken) 28 Nov 10 - 05:12 AM
Leadfingers 28 Nov 10 - 06:44 AM
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GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken) 29 Dec 13 - 03:40 AM
Leadfingers 29 Dec 13 - 08:24 AM
GUEST,Musket 30 Dec 13 - 08:23 AM
GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken) 30 Dec 13 - 12:45 PM
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Subject: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 08:51 PM

This is in the Digitrad as Bob Walsers - From someone in England - I understand it is from Judith Aarons - In the interests of Correct Attribution can any one confirm this ?


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 09:13 PM

Dear Mr. Digitalus-Pb

The original attribution - at its earliest ... is commonly valid.

Please submit the:
DATE (Calendar and Year)
WHO ??? (someone?)
WHERE (in England?) County/Village/Middlesex/Farm?
WHY - do You give a hoot? (you are the brother-in-law of Judith?)

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Any common "dick" would ask for more...hothouse, or river connection.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 09:18 PM

I learned it close to 20 years ago, only the chorus, from Judy Cook. Not sure where she got it (but from someone in England).

A few word variations --

I'm going to kill my cat
And smother it with my pillow
It pissed all around my hat
And now it has to pay
But I'm not into cruelty,
So when I'm done disecting it,
I'm going to send the pieces to the RSPCA.

Linn


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 09:27 PM

Thaks Linn

And Garg - Attributions of Song Writers DO Bloody matter aside from Royalties etc ! Credit is due to to whoever has the idea !

And YES !! SOME of us DO give a hoot !!


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 09:51 PM

Hmmm. Well, the digital Tradition says from Bob Walser, who got it from someone in England The person who submitted the song was "DC" (Dennis Cook), one of the two original (1988) sources of song for the DT (and husband of Judy Cook).

So, all we really know is that it came from "somebody in England."

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 11:27 PM

I also learned it 20 years ago but I've forgotten from whom. How's that for more clarification?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 05:27 AM

I'm pretty sure that Brummy folksinger Malcolm Stent wrote this one. I certainly saw him perform it with his band the Timoneers in the mid seventies - they had a Friday night residency at the West Bromwich Travel Lodge.

There were a load of verses with it. Malc is pretty easily contactable and is sure to be able to sort it all out for you.

Harvey Andrews is sure to have a website and he will have Malc's contact details, because he has appeared in Malc's plays.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: doc.tom
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 05:31 AM

The age can go back at least 30 years - I'm trying desparately to remember who used to sing it (apart from Pete Collins and Snowy). It had a boost shortly after Steeleye did All Around My Hat, of course.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,SteveT
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 05:51 AM

Certainly Judith Aarons used to sing it at the Globe in Topsham and the Mill on the Exe (Exeter) folk clubs in the early 1990s. I had a feeling that she wrote it but I'm not 100% sure.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 20 Nov 10 - 06:41 AM

The correct answer as I understand it, is that Judith A is indeed the author, but that subsequently one of the verses was added or tweaked by Robin Laing, and more slight changes were made by David Kidman (who also sings it). I could contact Robin or David and find out, I guess.
I'm not sure about the Judy/Dennis Cook version, which sounds similar but different. I'll check my words file later.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 03:56 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Bob Walser
Date: 21 Nov 10 - 05:01 PM

For any streams that derive from my singing, I learned the song from the late Jim Jewell of the Isle of Wight from whom I learned it in November, 1982. Jim ran a folk club on the Island and had guests from all over (in particular, Jim should get credit for connecting Jim Mageean and Johnny Collins). My notes don't include a source beyond Jim, alas.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 03:24 PM

I'm proud to be able to reveal that the writer of "I'm going to Drown my Cat" was my old mate Jem Patterson, a fellow member of The Somerville Gentlemen's Band. He wrote it around 1975, and added to his output with an equally funny version of "Viva Espana". After a gap of twenty seven years three of us are performing together again, and I'm hoping to persuade him to perform this little gem once more in public. If anyone wants the words, contact me via the Steamchicken website and I'll pass them on.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 07:07 PM

Ted-

Thanks for nailing this one down. Did your band ever record the song and, if so, when?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 08:50 PM

I fear not. We certainly sang it in early club and festival performances but it was not in our regular set list. Pity really because it was a really good spoof.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 10:22 PM

Ted-

That often is the fate of such songs, however brilliant. On a recording, once people hear it and get the joke they tend to skip over it the next time them play it.

Perhaps, that's why my group never recorded "Dead Dog Scrumpy."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 06:05 AM

Are you saying that Dead Dog Scrumpy is another spoof? If so what of?
Or just that it's only funny the first time (I agree it can be overdone)


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 08:25 AM

Mo-

Well, we always find" Dead Dog Scrumpy" amusing as a live performance piece but there's more of an audience reaction when most of them haven't heard it before. And when it's recorded on a CD people do tend to skip over it after playing that tack once. No, it's not a spoof of anything we're aware of, although I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the basic tale was originally a shaggy dog story.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Mo the caller
Date: 25 Nov 10 - 05:32 PM

Woof.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Nov 10 - 12:49 PM

So we have three contenders - One of the Dated

Jem Patterson in 1975

Judith Aarons with an added verse from Robin Laing

and Malcolm Stent .

The waters getting muddier ! LOL


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 27 Nov 10 - 09:08 AM

Malcolm would certainly have heard the Somervils. So maybe Jem is the man. Sounds convincing to me.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 05:12 AM

Er, the water is quite clear folks. Malcolm would almost certainly have learned it directly from us since he and we shared quite a few stages around Brum in the seventies,and it was just his sort of material. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Judith Aarons so can't comment on where she first heard it, but when I say Jem wrote it, I do not speak with forked tongue.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 06:44 AM

Thanks Ted! Looks like it has been well attributed then . Any chance of you posting the original lyric ?


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Subject: ADD: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 10 - 07:23 PM

Right, here we go:

I'M GOING TO DROWN MY CAT
(Jem Patterson)

CHORUS
I'm going to drown my cat, then I'll smother it with my pillow,
He's pissed all round my hat and he's going to have to pay
Now I'm not into cruelty but when I've done dissecting it
I'm sending off the bits to the RSPCA

Fare thee well wee mog, you have widdled once too often,
I'm off to buy a dog that is clean and well behaved,
You never discriminated about the place where you urinated
So rest in P will be the epitaph above your grave

Chorus

To get you potty trained I have struggled till my strength
Just like your bladder has been drained all over floors, walls and stairs,
How your metabolism keeps booming when you produce more than you're consuming
Is really quite beyond me, so Kitty say your prayers

Chorus

I'll take my cricket bat which is made of finest willow
And sort you out with that, end my troubles at a blow
But I don't envy St. Peter as he waits at the gates to greet yer
You'll wait till he's not looking, then you'll widdle though his halo


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 03:40 AM

As a relevant addition to this thread, can I offer this? Phil discovered a lovely Italian folk song. We couldn't translate the original lyrics, which were in some obscure Tuscan dialect, so Jem, with some input from Phil and me, wrote the words and called it Cassanova. Have a look on this link and see what you think.


www.youtube.com/channel/UC8ki-fBWHdz_3BxEsdA0cnw/videos


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Leadfingers
Date: 29 Dec 13 - 08:24 AM

Thanks Ted - Here's a link to Casanova


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 30 Dec 13 - 08:23 AM

As I started reading this thread, I was racking my brains over where I had first heard it. As I had access to the recordings of the concerts, I must have lifted it from Stainsby Folk Festival tapes. I had been singing it when in a silly mood for years.

Somerville Gentlemens' Band! That takes me back... I recall the bass player jamming with Diz Disley and Johnny Silvo at the same festival. (1981? 2?)

Happy days...


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 30 Dec 13 - 12:45 PM

Yes, I was indeed that bass player! I recall Disley wandering up and saying "Aha, the old bull fiddle eh? Come and have a go with me and Silvo dear boy". Now, I'm a folkie. I only play in G,D,A or occasionally Em if pushed. He introduced me to this vast audience, turned to me and said "Nuage in B flat". I have to tell you I nearly ruined a good pair of trousers! I'm glad it struck a chord of memory for you.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 30 Dec 13 - 01:13 PM

I was one of the guitarists jamming in the beer tent. I was green to the gills with envy my friend..........


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: Mo the caller
Date: 30 Dec 13 - 01:46 PM

Thanks for Casanova - my cat was fascinated, he came and sat on my lap with eyes glued to the screen.
Good job he can't read the thread title.


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Subject: RE: Origins: I'm Going To Drown My Cat
From: GUEST,Ted Crum (Steamchicken)
Date: 07 Nov 14 - 04:19 AM

Mo, we've renamed it Crassanova for what I think are obvious reasons!


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