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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:08 PM AIG received roughly 90 billion bailout, of which they paid $13 billion to Goldman Sachs to settle hedge fund losses. AIG has raised $37 billion with which to begin paying back the government. Goldman Sachs did not receive bailout money from the government. G S is the third largest U. S. investment concern of its type (See Forbes). 2009 Annual Report Income- $45 billions Expenses $25 billions Pre-tax earnings- $20 billion Taxes $6.4 bilions Profit- $13.385 billion Pref. Dividends- $1.2 billion Net Profit- $12 billion Earnings/common share- $23.74 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: olddude Date: 30 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM Wall Street Journal Goldman |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: josepp Date: 30 Nov 10 - 07:28 PM Wikileaks is run by US intelligence. All these "leaked" documents are planted. Then the govt feigns outrage. Don't get taken in. There isn't anything there the govt doesn't want you to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Bobert Date: 30 Nov 10 - 07:47 PM I'm with you, Donuel... I can't wait to see the Mudcat PM dump, ahhhh, release... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Nov 10 - 08:24 PM Well, at least we got some NEWS!....however there is more to the story(as usual). There is NO guarantee that these 'leaks' are any different than the Daniel Ellsworth mess...where the 'leaks' we the 'story' we were being fed...there's that..and the other is guess who is funding some of this.................................for all those who said Soros, take a bow. Soros, seemingly has changed his mind about Obama, for one reason or another..I suspect certain 'progressive' media sources are going to cover the President with more criticism, than before. This may not actually be the 'fault' of the President, but rather the Soros media machine turning against him. that being said, there are things I don't like about Obama, BUT he should NOT be smeared solely because one billionaire has his 'tights in a bundle' over him! If they charge Pvt. Manning, or Assange with 'espionage', they should also look into Soros, as well, for complicity. But frankly, nothing I've heard so far, from what was in the 'leaks' has much surprised me..some I already knew!...I was interested in the 'leaks' only because everybody can't blame Fox or MSNBC or NPR for screwing with the info.....at least this time! Another thing, it is us, the Americans, who don't know a lot of this stuff....a lot of people the world over have known some of it for quite a while...remember, they are not bullshitted everyday by a lot of OUR infotainment propaganda...they have their own, that is not as concerned with keeping stuff from them! Sooner or later, once a few people get their heads pulled out, a lot of stuff I've posted is going to come to light...(some already has!), and as writers of 'topical' subjects, you might do yourselves a great service, of being AHEAD of the curve...instead of living in the past! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 10 - 03:33 PM Correction: "....There is NO guarantee that these 'leaks' are any different than the Daniel Ellsworth mess...where the 'leaks' we the 'story' we were being fed." Should read: "...There is NO guarantee that these 'leaks' are any different than the Daniel Ellsworth mess...where the 'leaks' WERE the 'story' we were being fed. Sorry!(typo) GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,bankley Date: 01 Dec 10 - 03:52 PM but I'm glad Lady Gaga got put to better use |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: skarpi Date: 01 Dec 10 - 04:13 PM well , next time they will tell us about the banks .... its about time people get to know how the bankes behave like sharks and kills all common people .... I hope the banks here goes down again the corruption still goes on :O( kv Skarpi . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: gnu Date: 01 Dec 10 - 04:22 PM So, is he a criminal? a terrorist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Dec 10 - 05:27 PM josepp: "Wikileaks is run by US intelligence. All these "leaked" documents are planted. Then the govt feigns outrage. Don't get taken in. There isn't anything there the govt doesn't want you to see." So, I guess you are saying, that when we see govt officials spouting 'outrage' you say they are in on the lying cover up??? In that case, take note, of who those people are! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Lonesome EJ Date: 02 Dec 10 - 01:57 PM Or is this discussion, and in fact Mudcat Cafe itself, not a clandestine effort by the Voice of America to infiltrate and influence the notoriously liberal world of Folkies?! They know we have influence well beyond what our numbers indicate! Is there any truth to the rumor that Max is in fact an FBI operative named Marvin Meriwether, who was involved in surveillance of the Musician's Union in the mid-90s?! This entire discussion is in fact an attempt by the government to make us think that the government was behind the leaks that the government so outrageously decries!! In this effort, the posts from the entities named "Little Hawk" and "GfS" have actually been traced to a computer in Annandale Virginia! Wake up, people! Any rational person must ask the question: Why would the government release its own secret communications, then lead us to believe that the government did it on purpose?? The answer is really quite simple. Just watch The Matrix!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Donuel Date: 03 Dec 10 - 02:12 AM I expect the next dirty trick aimed at discrediting Wikileak will be a forgery of a Wiki data dump that would seemingly implicate Assange in a criminal conspiracy to commit espionage or worse. The date rape accusations went no where. The CIA should have realized it took 50 years for child raping priest stories to get traction , let alone a bachelor party accusation of nautiness. Actually a well crafted forgery could serve the US with believable misinformation that could bolster the reputation of the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 03 Dec 10 - 05:07 AM Surely (Shirley again) whoever signs the Official Secrets Act knows what they are committing to when they sign it? Which makes me wonder sometimes if some of these things lately coming to light now hasn't been orchestrated by someone somewhere paid to let this happen, in the UK too for instance for example if an individual wants to make an example of security it has been known for attention to be drawn to it by an individual who wants to make a point. Here in the UK I am thinking about a case where personal private health records and also another where private personal Bank details just dumped somewhere where anyone can lay there hands on it. Ironically a leak blew the whistle on what could have been a massive cover-up. But there shouldn't have been the need for that to happen in the first place. We are supposed to be highly security conscious, with CTV cameras, electronic passes, security checks so what is going wrong? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 05:43 AM Seems like they have been sunk temporarily, as their ISP has suspended their service. This is due to a large hacking operation, which is being carried out against them. Now I wonder who might be responsible for that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 08:46 AM Not in the least bit interested thanks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: VirginiaTam Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:26 AM Wikileaks Denial of Service attack - my guess is the US government flooded it... bombarded it with so many requests at such a speed that it crashed it. Wikileaks is still reachable by IP address only: http://88.80.13.160/ and http://204.236.131.131/ http://88.80.13.160/ http://204.236.131.131/ Already the second link above seems to be down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: VirginiaTam Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:29 AM From Scoop Undernews which keeps dropping out and in - I copied the whole article Wikileaks loses Amazon web site Zero Hedge - An update from Reuters: "Amazon.com ceases hosting services for WikiLeaks website -Senator Lieberman" and "DHS says Amazon has agreed to stop hosting WikiLeaks." Game Over It seems the days of Wikileaks are over. The question now is who will be the next Wikileaks. The website of WikiLeaks, the organization that just released a trove of sensitive U.S. State Department documents, appears to have lost or left its main Web host, Amazon.com. The main website and a sub-site devoted to the diplomatic documents were unavailable from the U.S. and Europe on Wednesday, as Amazon servers refused to acknowledge requests for data. Availability of the sites has been spotty since Sunday, when it started to come under a series of Internet-based attacks by unknown hackers. WikiLeaks dealt with the attacks in part by moving to servers run by Amazon Web Services, which is self-service. Amazon.com Inc. would not comment on its relationship with WikiLeaks or whether it forced the site to leave. Messages seeking comment from WikiLeaks were not immediately returned. Thoroughly embedded media goes after Wikileaks Glenn Greenwald, Salon - With some exceptions, we have the group which -- so very revealingly -- is the angriest and most offended about the WikiLeaks disclosures: the American media, Our Watchdogs over the Powerful and Crusaders for Transparency. On CNN, Wolf Blitzer was beside himself with rage over the fact that the U.S. government had failed to keep all these things secret from him. . . Then -- like the Good Journalist he is -- Blitzer demanded assurances that the Government has taken the necessary steps to prevent him, the media generally and the citizenry from finding out any more secrets: "Do we know yet if they've [done] that fix? In other words, somebody right now who has top secret or secret security clearance can no longer download information onto a C.D. or a thumb drive? Has that been fixed already?" The central concern of Blitzer -- one of our nation's most honored "journalists" -- is making sure that nobody learns what the U.S. Government is up to. Then there's the somewhat controversial claim that our major media stars are nothing more than Government spokespeople and major news outlets little more than glorified state-run media. Blitzer's CNN reporting provided the best illustration I've seen in awhile demonstrating how true that is. . . One's reaction to WikiLeaks is largely shaped by whether or not one, on balance, supports what the U.S. has been covertly doing in the world by virtue of operating in the dark. I concur wholeheartedly with Digby's superb commentary on this point yesterday: "My personal feeling is that any allegedly democratic government that is so hubristic that it will lie blatantly to the entire world in order to invade a country it has long wanted to invade probably needs a self-correcting mechanism. There are times when it's necessary that the powerful be shown that there are checks on its behavior, particularly when the systems normally designed to do that are breaking down. Now is one of those times." . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:35 AM It's all such a storm in a teacup. Bloody boring too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: VirginiaTam Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:38 AM lots more info about what happend and what is happening |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: VirginiaTam Date: 03 Dec 10 - 09:40 AM Well I don't agree John. There have been some quite revealing leaks, but what is most disturbing is the sudden crash and move of wikileaks from Amazon to 2 companies in Europe today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:10 AM Didn't tell me anything I didn't either already know, or suspected. None of it will change the world |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: VirginiaTam Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:28 AM Aren't you even a little bit annoyed that some one or government is trying to prevent the public from having this information? And another thing if it is such common knowledge /suspicion why would someone bother to hack in and disrupt the service? I think the blatant censoring might change something. Not sure what or how, but something will come of that alone. Also if you feel that wikileaks is a pointless waste of time, then why bother posting to this thread after you've given your initial opinion? I mean, I heard you, I respect your opinion, I am not arguing with you. Just don't understand why you brought the thread to the top again with the news about wikileaks crash and then state that you are not interested. Your deeds conflict with your words.
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 10:44 AM Gosh, governments trying to hide things, now there's something new. Tam, they've been doing it for years, and they will continue to do it. To put it simply, they think they know, better than you do, what's best for you. Honesty is an unaffordable luxury to those who rule us, elected or unelected. Whereas cynicism, is a necessary adjunct of daily living. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,cs Date: 03 Dec 10 - 12:04 PM 'Just don't understand why you brought the thread to the top again with the news about wikileaks crash and then state that you are not interested.' One of the most frequent posters to this thread too - "The blokey doth protest too much, methinks." (excuse the bodgery) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 12:28 PM Just passing on what I thought was good news, my friend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Bobert Date: 03 Dec 10 - 12:33 PM Gosh, I don't think I've heard much of anything that I'd consider earth-shattering... If calling Putin and knothead is all we are getting for the $Bs we are spending on intelligence then I'll go on record of askin' for a refund.... Oh yeah, China is put out with North Korea!!! Shocking, right??? Yeah, give US our money back, thank you... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 10 - 01:02 PM With you there Bobs |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Stringsinger Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:03 PM None of this information was unavailable to state department employees. It's just that the American people are now finding out how they've been taken for a ride by the Pentagon. The New York Times editorial (Schroeder) likes secrecy in foreign policy. Sunshine bothers him because he feels insecure with it. The N.Y. Times lied to us about Iraq and now they are doing the same with Assange. Pax Americana! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: akenaton Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:14 PM They're back up and running ...good! expose the devious bastards! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: gnu Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:24 PM It's daily business... except for a few things out of the norm. One might be exposing that the Saudis asked the US to bomb Iran. Perhaps that is one "tool" being plied? By whom, well, there it is. In any case, it's a game billionaires play. Unfortunate, perhaps, but there it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: bobad Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:43 PM Ron Paul: 'What we need is more WikiLeaks' "What we need is more WikiLeaks about the Federal Reserve," he said. "Can you imagine what it'd be like if we had every conversation in the last 10 years with our Federal Reserve people, the Federal Reserve chairman, with all the central bankers of the world and every agreement or quid-pro-quo they have? It would be massive. People would be so outraged." "In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul insisted. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it." http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/ron-paul-what-wikileaks/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: bobad Date: 03 Dec 10 - 04:52 PM US contractor bought Afghan policemen drugs, little boys, cable reveals http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/contractor-bought-afghan-policemen-drugs-boys-cable-reveals/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Dec 10 - 12:54 AM Lonesome EJ: "..This entire discussion is in fact an attempt by the government to make us think that the government was behind the leaks that the government so outrageously decries!! In this effort, the posts from the entities named "Little Hawk" and "GfS" have actually been traced to a computer in Annandale Virginia! Wake up, people!" Are you screwed up liberal wannabees so fucked up that you've stooped to this level of boldfaced bullshit??!!?? Sit on it, Ralphie! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:57 AM It's on the level of coffee shop gossip, and eavesdroppings. OOh Mrs America, did you 'ear wot that Mrs China said about that nice Mr Italy? That's nuffink Mr Australia, said that Mr Japan wasn't fond of sushi! 'Ow shockin' is that then? AND, I 'ear that Mrs Germany goes for a shit every day! Amazin' innit? Why are people so niaive, they allow diplomats to work on the same principle as homosexuals in the services. Don't ask, don't tell. Then they have the effrontery to come over all self righteous, when they find they've been doing their jobs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:33 AM The liberals fancy themselves as to liking an 'open society'..until it opens up! ..then they want it closed back up, to hide the 'little secrets', of how to get what they want, and how they have to destroy the lives of regular working folks, PROVIDING for their families! "Give them unemployment and food stamps!"..."but we don't want your fucking government handouts..we want our jobs!..WE want to care care of our own families WITHOUT the damn socialists sticking their noses into every aspect of our lives!!" Anything wrong with that??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Teribus Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:35 AM Just had a thought that illustrates how important these leaks are particularly in relation to the US Ambassador's "reports" and opinions are and exactly whay weighting is put upon them (They are after all completely subjective opinions) Here is what might be termed a "crucial" example from history: In 1938 FDR sent Joseph Kennedy to the Court of St.James as the 44th US Ambassador. Kennedy had a distinctly anti-Brit agenda and he was a supporter of appeasement and a complete and utter defeatist. I doubt had FDR put any faith in the judgement of his Ambassador (Who quite frankly I think should have been drowned at birth). I bet old Joe Kennedy's "secret cables" back to FDR would have made some interesting reading and thank God they were not acted upon. Joe Kennedy's "wikileaks" type moment came and resulted in his removal when AFTER of the Battle of Britain he let slip this opinion: "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here," Fortunately for the world in general FDR listened to somebody else in the UK to weigh up the situation - The CBS Head of its European Operations Ed Murrow. WikiLeaks is not delivering Fact they are delivering for the most part subjective opinion nothing more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Bobert Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:50 AM Don't lump this liberal into that mix, GfinS... I love the leaks... They really don't mean squat... And, yeah, the US prolly did allow these documents to get out... Who cares??? Ain't nuthin' in 'um all that informative... Just a bunch of name callin'... You8 know, like here in Mudville... BTW, I knew that LH was gone fir a few days but I didn't realize he was movin' in with you in Annandale... Hope ya'll got a separate apartment for Chongz 'cause he has some very bad hygiene issues... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: robomatic Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:14 PM I have to admit to liking the leaks. First of all there is nothing there that is really surprising, other than some of our State Department people know how to write! On the whole, I think Assange and his organization have done more good than harm and I hope he isn't maltreated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Stringsinger Date: 04 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM Actually, Wikileaks are publishing cables from the U.S. Military. There is nothing subjective about these. They report. They didn't make it up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Teribus Date: 05 Dec 10 - 07:09 AM The Wikileaks about the opinions of US Ambassadors in various embassies around the world on the people that they are dealing with; Karzai; Cameron; Clegg; Brown; Berlusconi; Sarkozy; Putin; Merkel; etc; etc - Are most definitely subjective opinion and nothing more. The same goes for much of the opinion of what those ambassadors think of the way any nation or government may act in certain situations. The "military" leaks range from blank statements that such and such happened to subjective opinion of what might happen. Absolutely nothing that has to date been "released" should come as a surprise to anyone who has been reading and studying what has been going on - WikiLeaks, How embarrassing? Not in the slightest a complete and utter non-event. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: skarpi Date: 05 Dec 10 - 10:49 AM I love them in Wikileaks , now the world can see what kind things nations are doing , I can´t wait for Bank info ...must good for people to see the corruption in that system .... the government s of some nation wants to get them out of the system but that is so the people can´t see what they have been doing kv Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 10 - 11:56 AM There are surprising temperate attitudes toward these leaks being voiced here. Gates has a temperate opinion as well. This will probably not last long since the FOX news machine is repeating every 20 seconds that Assange has commited an act of war and should be summarily executed. Gates is being attacked by the right generally and by McCain specificly as Obama's political appointee. All history regarding Gates working under Bush has been forgotten. The Bank of America is now on the hot wiki seat and is being leveraged against the attacks on his website which now include pay pal being turned off to allow donations to Wikileaks. With the decoding password gigabytes of leaks will be available to millions of people who have already downloaded the encrypted version. The encyption decoding password has not been cracked even by our best military computers. If someone opened a website called wilileakPassword.org they would certainly get millions of hits. PW EXAMPLE "Diogenesemetasecretagentontheroadandimmediatelykilledhim123withthetruth.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,PeterC Date: 05 Dec 10 - 12:07 PM The disclosure of this information should be considered treason, in my opinion. @LonesomeEJ Please explain which of the leaks was a treasonable act in Australia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: bobad Date: 06 Dec 10 - 11:34 AM "Julian Assange will release a "poison pill" that contains a "deluge" of secret information if he is killed, arrested or his website is permanently shut down, Daily Mail reports. "Due to recent attacks on our infrastructure, we've decided to make sure everyone can reach our content. As part of this process we're releasing archived copy of all files we ever released," WikiLeaks said in a message on its site. WikiLeaks says it has another 250,000 cables it plans to gradually release over coming months -- if it can. Anticipating the US attempts to block it though, WikiLeaks has taken the precaution of posting a big, 1.4-gigabyte file encrypted with a 256-digit key said to be unbreakable." http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-threatens-release-poison-pill-arrested-killed/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Stringsinger Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:40 PM The idea that Wikileaks is opinion only is only an opinion that refuses to recognize the language in these transcripts as being official. It's sheer propaganda on the part of those who want to denigrate the important role that Wikileaks plays in keeping democracy in tact. I mistrust the assessment of anyone who gives any credence to Karzai or other dictators that the US supports throughout the world. I applaud Assange and Manning for their courage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM Before long- Wikileaks, the movie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: John P Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:32 PM How would you all like it if every conversation you had, every venting session, every harsh word you ever spoke were splashed all over the news? I agree that there is lots of information coming out that shouldn't have been secret, but I also think that people should be able to do their jobs -- and speak openly about it with their coworkers -- without having to worry about their conversations being hacked and publicized. There's a big difference between evidence of misdeeds, which ought to be made public, and evidence that people who are working on sensitive issues talk candidly with each other. The Wikileaks should have been limited to the first. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: GUEST,999 Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:10 PM Lemme see: we have little green cameras all over everywhere; we have bank and credit cards through which governments can locate us; we have GPS locaters in our automobiles. Goddammit, if you are not scared and tired of this intrusive bullshit, it is time you started to be. IMO.i Bravo, Wiki. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: akenaton Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:28 PM Bravo Brucie! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:48 PM Yeah, bring on some more.... Actually, word on the street is that there some nudies comin'... B~ |
