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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 17 - 05:12 AM

Greg F

AND..........?

Perhaps you would like to chastise those that pontificate about wine and weeds as well.

For myself, I will simply attempt to ignore you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 May 17 - 05:59 PM

None of which tap-dancing, Iains, has bugger-all to do with the point under discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 17 - 02:54 PM

Teribus. The pedant in me would have to accept you are correct. I have no doubt the Author of the piece did not keep track of the transition from England to the UK over the space of many centuries. Americans in particular do not always recognise the subtlety of the distinction.I can concede that refusal to acknowledge the difference between English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and British does cause anguish for some. The English did the dastardly deed all on their own, therefore the rest of us cannot be held accountable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 24 May 17 - 11:17 AM

"The first sentence is basically correct"

Apart from the number of years that had passed since the execution of Joan of Arc there is not one single thing that is accurate in the sentence quoted:

"Today, May 30, 2015, is the 584th anniversary of the day on which Joan of Arc was burned at the stake by the British forces occupying France."

1: 584 years back from 2015 gives the date as 1431, simple arithmetic, which would tell anyone who knew anything about the history of the British Isles that 276 years would have to pass before any "British" forces could possibly set foot on French territory.

2: Anyone who knew anything about what was called "The Hundred Years War" would know it as a series of conflicts waged from 1337 to 1453 by the House of Plantagenet, rulers of the Kingdom of England, against the House of Valois, rulers of the Kingdom of France, over the succession of the French throne. At the time English Kings descendants of William the Conqueror held in their own right by inheritance and through marriage vast tracts of land in France, land that was subject to predation by the Kings of France, there was no British occupation of France


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 17 - 04:45 AM

I would have thought the content was the relevant data, not the date it was created. The first sentence is basically correct, to explain the true context would require too much amplification that is simply not germane to the main thrust of the article, and would detract from it
Do you seriously expect all sources for debate to be created in real time?


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 24 May 17 - 02:36 AM

Iains, your Aletho News link. Any article that starts:

Today, May 30, 2015, is the 584th anniversary of the day on which Joan of Arc was burned at the stake by the British forces occupying France.

Completely roasts its own credibility. Do you honestly want me to point out all the mistakes included in that one sentence? If at anytime any writer or in this case "blogger" wishes to draw parallels from history it would be prudent of him/her to actually have some knowledge of said history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 17 - 02:19 PM

Nobel Peace Prize.

What an honor.

Right up there with war criminal Henry Kissinger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Donuel
Date: 23 May 17 - 02:13 PM

Lox was 100% right. The majority here are very well informed.

Assange makes a good case for societal honesty. What we do with this honesty is another matter. There is room for more than a one size fits all opinion. While solid facts and changeable truth are two different things, we all witnessed innocent facts get misused and abused in a nefarious manner last fall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 17 - 10:42 AM

Teribus.



https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/obama-and-the-return-to-the-medieval-period/


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 17 - 10:33 AM

Teribus Medieval in the sense that might is right. The rule of law when a knight or Lord of the manor etc had an issue with a peasant was the biggest fist.This probably held sway long after magna carta. Similarly the drone is a big fist where no due legal process is allowed.
The legality of their use is dubious and has not been tested in any international court. Those involved in their use could be a party to murder.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/09/legal-and-moral-questions-about-drone-strikes-in-syria
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/15/targeted-killing-secrecy-drone-memos-excerpt
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2016/04/01/134494/are-u-s-drone-strikes-legal/


http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2296&context=facpub
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/10/uk-drone-strikes-murder-charges-clarify-legal-basis-targeted-kill-


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 17 - 06:55 AM

Noticeable that 'the usual suspect' refuses to respond to other possibilities and continues to provide nothing of his own.
All this appears to be based on the idea that we have no right to be made aware of the facts Wikileaks made accessible - I strange argument for a democratic country to put forward.
Whether Assange is a creep (takes one to know one) or no is totally immaterial - just a handy way to avoid what appears to be happening
Jim Carroll.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 23 May 17 - 06:42 AM

Actually Iains WikiLeaks in the main told people very little that they didn't already know from before. The absolute avalanche of astounding information that was promised by the MSM outlets like the Guardian hyped to the high heavens eventually turned out to be a very damp squib indeed.

"Opprobrium does not seem to worry uncle sam so long as he gets his wicked way."

I think international opinion matters more to the Government and people of the United States of America than it does to the Government of Russia.

"It certainly does not impede the mediaeval use of drones where the operators are judge, jury and executioner within milliseconds."

Be interested in what the mediaevil use of drones amounts to? As far as I am aware drones have no medieval equivalent or parallel. Also as far as I am aware drones have only ever been deployed in areas of active threat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:25 AM

Teribus. What Assange may or not be as an individual is to my mind an irrelevance. What wikileaks has done is peel back the false facade of politics and show the rotten core beneath. It has publicly exposed the machinations of our supposed leaders and shown them in their true colours. This has not been particularly edifying to watch, but I think Mr Average owes wikileaks a huge debt of gratitude for lifting up various stones and letting the sun shine on the corruption beneath.
Opprobrium does not seem to worry uncle sam so long as he gets his wicked way. It certainly does not impede the mediaeval use of drones where the operators are judge, jury and executioner within milliseconds.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 23 May 17 - 05:12 AM

Had Assange been extradited to Sweden to face the charges against him there is no way on earth that the USA would have dared face the approbrium that would have followed any action such as you describe. I will give you a name that illustrates this perfectly - Alexander Litvinenko who your pal Vladimir Putin had murdered. Litvinenko's murder was linked to another assassination Putin ordered in Russia, that of Anna Politkovskaya. No court cases will ever remove the stench of these acts from Putin's hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 23 May 17 - 04:57 AM

Iains, Assange is a complete and utter self absorbed creep who has thoughts for no-one other than himself.

I stated that Sweden under it's own laws and under EU Law is prohibited from extraditing people to any country where they might face the death penalty - That statement is correct - so for Julian "It's everybody's fault but mine" Assange to claim that he feared extradition as the reason for him scurrying into the Ecuadorian Embassy simply demonstrates his contempt for rule of law and marked cowardice on his part. He ran for cover and left his "sources" out to dry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 17 - 04:44 AM

Teribus. I think Drone strikes and extraordinary rendition are but two ways in which the US demonstrates it gives not a fig for due legal process. Assange is in the crosswires for political reasons and extremely vulnerable. The myth is not legal rules about extradition but the belief system that thinks the US will take a blind bit of notice of them. You may think politics is pure as driven snow> I most certainly do not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 23 May 17 - 04:18 AM

Assange Legal Myths about extradition


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 17 - 02:34 AM

"Rape charges"
Interesting to look at the timeline of these charges
In April 2010, Wikileaks releases the 'Collateral Murder' film footage claiming US slaughter of over a dozen people, including two Reuters Journalists in Baghdad and begins to concentrate on Iraq and Afghanistan in a big way.
In the same month, it began publishing 779 secret files relating to prisoners detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
In August 2010, Assange is accused of rape in Sweden and in December he is arrested in Britain.
Coincidence!!!!!!
Maybe JOHN PILGER has a point
The western 'Democracies' have a way of dealing with information they don't think is fit for public consumption
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 17 - 07:31 PM

NO SMOKE, JUST A NOISE and stampede.no cause detected yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 17 - 07:21 PM

Trump would issue a denial for his non-denial denial which is a bit like a peek at the truth without being able to prove he said anything at all.
example: I did not eat the cookies that are very good and even better with milk which I never have before 11PM.

Even if Assange is a good guy he gave the election to Trump just like Ralph Nader gave the election to Bush.

What was that? Manchester ARENA JUST BLEW UP! DEAD AND INJURED EVERYWHERE


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 17 - 04:49 PM

quite happy to discuss carrying out a totally unprovoked act of war on an ally in order to remove an embarrassment

Absolutely, Iains - Trump would NEVER do such a thing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 11:51 AM

Teribus: If Assange had received assurances that neither Sweden or the UK would accede to American extradition none of the subsequent furore would have developed. Do you seriously think he would have claimed asylum on the basis of rape allegations, or more seriously would he have been granted asylum on the basis of a suspected crime of rape?
Were the situation as simple as you allege I feel certain his legal team would have acted and advised him accordingly. There are also UK charges of bail skipping against him in the UK to be addressed.
   The most frightening aspect of this case is that the former Secretary of State, Clinton, was quite happy to discuss carrying out a totally unprovoked act of war on an ally in order to remove an embarrassment- namely Assange.


How could such a person ever be considered suitable material to run for the Presidency?


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 22 May 17 - 07:30 AM

And why would the Swedes have extradited him? His offence was against two Swedish citizens and was perpetrated in Sweden. No-one can be extradited from Sweden to a country where serious offences such as treason or murder are punishable by death.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:54 AM

Correction. The drone strike issue was raised Nov 23 2010, Assnage entered the ecuadorian embassy to request asylum 19June 2012, granted 16Aug 2012.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:28 AM

Hardly cowardice to remove yourself from a stacked deck. Did not Clinton suggest a drone strike on the embassy to get him? This very clearly shows his fears were well founded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:24 AM

As I remember he was perfectly willing to face his accusers as long as they would provide a guarantee not to extradite him to the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Teribus
Date: 22 May 17 - 06:17 AM

Tell me again David Carter(UK), refresh my memory, who was it who displayed cowardice in deciding to flee instead of standing and facing his accusers as an innocent man would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 22 May 17 - 05:43 AM

The UK government should now allow him safe passage to Ecuador. However its unlikely that they will, craven cowards that they are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 17 - 05:08 AM

Now that Sweden has dropped charges against Assange should he be allowed free passage, and should the US publicly drop all attempts at extradition or extraordinary rendition? On June 19, 2012, he fled bail and applied for asylum in Ecuador, through the embassy in Knightsbridge.

A very interesting summary below:


http://www.blacklistednews.com/John_Pilger_speaks_out_on_Julian_Assange_and_Sweden/58567/0/38/38/Y/M.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 04:03 PM

Sour grapes because it wasn't awarded to andrew e?


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: andrew e
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 03:38 PM

It's very unlikely all is at it appears to be.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=17177

That's just one article. There's heaps of others.

Check out
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Also the Nobel Peace prize being awarded to Obama last year totally destroyed any credibility it may have ever had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Rog Peek
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 06:56 AM

A link which includes David Frost interview with Mr. Assange.

Rog


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Rog Peek
Date: 04 Jan 11 - 06:19 AM

Song for Bradley Manning by David Rovics

Rog


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: gnu
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 05:25 PM

He's still a fence who profits. Fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 05:14 PM

Surely the "fences" are the National newspapers in US and UK who print the cables to boost sales?

Mr Assange appears to have very little to gain financially and rather a lot to lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 04:56 PM

Assange is in the position of a fence dealing in stolen goods; certainly not a journalist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 02:55 PM

Srely the "theif" was Mr Manning?
Mr Assange is simply a journalist doing his job.....not many of them around!

The fact that John Pilger supports Mr Assange is good enough for me, carry on sir and good luck!


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 02:06 PM

Assange's crimes have nothing to do with 'whistle-blowing'. Thievery of confidential communications cannot be tolerated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 01:44 PM

The timing is great for Boss Hog... For the last 12 years there's been a push to protect whistle blowers... Legislation has begrudgingly made it thru dozens of hearings and rewrites and compromises and there was hope that it would finally make it out onto the House floor for a vote but is now being held up yet again by the Repubs because they say that 12 years isn't enough time and that we are rushing things???

So, fir the guy on the assembly line making fighter jets and the boss says to use the inferior rivets on the wings it's tough-luck-Charlie if he goes public with it...

Why is it that the Repubs complain so much about just what crappy federal workers and contractors are but when it comes down to protecting the folks who are willing to blow the whistle on the crap that is happening it's the Repubs who want to throw the book at the whistle blower???

Beam me up, Scotty... The Repub bullshit is about to drown out all logic...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 01:36 PM

I think that Wikileaks as a concept has some merit. But the way Assange runs it is ham handed and stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 01:23 PM

Wikipee "undermines the ability to have private, confidential communications that are vital to the functioning of a society" and "leads to anarchy," says Thomas L. Friedman of the New York Times.

Diplomats and businessmen, to insure privacy, are forced to go back to the briefcase strapped to the wrist or slow mail systems.

Governments must act to control privacy of internet mail and enact penalties to control the likes of Assange.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 07:25 AM

Looks like somebody is worried the Mind Control Drugs are not working properly ...

State Department Warns Students Against Discussing WikiLeaks

Swedish fighting bail - Swiss Bank actions stops him accessing cash...

WikiLeaks: Swedish government 'hid' anti-terror operations with America from Parliament ... so now we know why they are so pissed off at him....

Time spokesman said large numbers of people expressing interest in Assange


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 11:08 AM

Good news about Assange. Democracy returns step by step.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Stu
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 11:05 AM

Assange has just been granted bail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 05:28 AM

Iceland Parliament Committee Calls Ban on Wikileaks "Harsh Operation on Freedom of Expre

The parliamentary general committee (allsherjanefnd) met today to discuss the ban that Visa and Mastercard have placed on card-holders who wish to donate to Wikileaks, and have raised the possibility of taking away their operating licences.

...

Róbert Marshall, the chairman of the committee, told mbl.is, "People wanted to know on what legal grounds the ban was taken, but no one could answer it. They said this decision was taken by foreign sources." Valitor and Borgun have emphasized that the matter is not in their hands.

The committee has asked for more information from these companies, however, to prove that there are legal grounds for banning cardholders from donating money to an organisation such as Wikileaks. Amnesty International said that they were very concerned at the precedent the ban sets with regards to human rights.

Róbert said that it was the opinion of the members of parliament on the committee that the operating licences of Visa and Mastercard in Iceland should be seriously reviewed.

As reported, Datacell - a company which had been serving as a proxy for payments to Wikileaks - is already planning to sue Visa. Kristinn said that he has no doubts Wikileaks will themselves sue Visa, and Mastercard as well.

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Mr Assange ... was also critical of the major finance companies who suspended payments to WikiLeaks.

"We now know that Visa, Mastercard, PayPal and others are instruments of US foreign policy. It's not something we knew before," he said.

"I am calling for the world to protect my work and my people from these illegal and immoral attacks."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/14/3093250.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:06 PM

Assange is the natural extension of the actions of Daniel Ellberg who praises Assange as being a hero.

Both men are mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: Green Man
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 11:49 AM

The latest is an appeal to Mr assange 'To do the right thing'. How far behind the times are these people. He ALREADY DID the right thing.

The people flying that helicopter should be charged with multiple murder and destruction fo two nioce cameras.

GM


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 08:27 AM

Tweet By Bronwyn Bishop Aussie Federal MP:

"Mr Assange should be aggressively interrogated until he reveals the location of the stolen cables, so they can be retrieved."

Sigh ... and she has a Law Degree too ...

Trust me, they're not all Yanks! We got some when the Lord was dishing then out too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 06:34 AM

How the Non-Politicans see Wikileaks


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Subject: RE: BS: Assange for the Nobel Peace Prize
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 06:15 AM

But Richard, so many Yanks DO!!!!


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