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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 05:41 PM

Waddon Pete has a special talent for marking events, as evidenced by his In Memoriam Permathread. He tells me our singaroud on November 30 will be our 25th singaround. I had no idea we had done so many. Every one of them has been delightful - and almost all of them have lasted 5 hours!
Here's hoping we will have many more, even after we're able to get together in person to sing.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 05:53 PM

Just as wonderful as the singing was the actual conversation afterward. Knowledgeable, cheerful people, so polite that they didn't have to mute. %^)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 10:40 AM

Well done Gerry. I wonder if singers could make an effort to start off by naming their song. I don't get much out of a long rambling intro if I don't know what song they are talking about. And Gerry's not the only one taking notes, lots of us are collectors wanting to add to our bag .


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 03:48 PM

One of the great mysteries to be unveiled every week, is the location of pattyClink. One week, she was in Arkansas. Last week was Arizona. Where next? She's welcome to park her motor home in Joe Offer's driveway in Applegate in the Sierra Foothills of California.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 05:16 PM

the hawk and the crow should be,, two strings to a bow, from kevin mitchell


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 27 Nov 20 - 06:01 PM

Thanks, Sandman. At https://afolksongaweek.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/week-261-the-hawk-and-the-crow/ it's called The Hawk and the Crow, but it says

"I learned this from one of my absolute favourite singers, Kevin Mitchell, via his 1977 Topic LP Free and Easy. Kevin calls it ‘Two Strings on a Bow’, and he learned it from Anne Brolly of Dungiven, County Derry. The LP notes say

American singers call this song The Bird’s Courtship or The Leather Winged Bat."

So evidently this is a song of many titles.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:46 AM

Joe O, I wish I had known there was a friendly face in Applegate in 2018! Tried towing a trailer over the Donner Pass on a 95 degree day. Made it to Emigrant Pass before boiling over. Had to be towed all the way back down to Auburn. Bad couple of days!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 11:31 AM

pattyClink if you are working backward through the alphabet, does that mean you will be in Alaska on Monday and Alabama the following week?   After that, do you go forward alphabetically, or revert to Wyoming?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: pattyClink
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 06:55 PM

SPB, that is a brilliant plan! Alas, I have no plan.....


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 04:07 PM

62 total today. And the singing is lovely.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Dec 20 - 08:29 PM

Got sucked into a John Wayne marathon... Remember the big staged saloon fight between Kirk Douglas and John Wayne in War Wagon? Anyway the piano player is frantically plinking to keep the crowd happy and *what* he was plinking, I noticed, was ...

...The Clouds Gwine Roll Away, which I had just sung!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 06:28 AM

Joe, shouldn't the title be more key of arrrrr - which fits in more with folk stereotyping   ;)


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 06 Dec 20 - 05:03 PM

No, SPB-Cooperator - that's the version they played on pirate radio!
...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 08:22 AM

Hey I have usually gotten the link by now? Oh and good morning.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 11:39 AM

Mrzzy, you're posting at 6:22 AM my time, and you're impatient? Didn't you get my email?

We hads an even fifty participants today. Another wonderful gathering.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Dec 20 - 11:54 AM

I did not get the email, I thought that was what I said, sorry Joe!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 06:19 AM

I was 5th and sang an Occitan carol, Nadal tindaire (Jingling Christmas). Lyrics, translation, mp3, midi and sheet music at the link.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 08:23 AM

As far as I remember, that is the right title - it is what I have always called it.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 05:23 PM

Thanks for the information! Noreen was #1, didn't she sing? Wasn't there a Jody at #4? I did include Waddon Pete, he was #8 (there was no #7) and he sang the Sussex Drinking Song.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 05:37 PM

I think #4 had disappeared between Noreen and me because I was caught off-guard and didn't have the time to send Joe the link to the carol page before singing.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 09 Dec 20 - 06:28 PM

Yeah that was it, Joe was 00, Noreen would've been #1 of course, then Jody #4 had decided to listen not sing, which is why Monique was caught off-guard, that's right, it's coming back slowly....

SPB-Cooperator, I took the title straight from Joe's chat post...


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 Dec 20 - 03:19 AM

Fingers crossed, tomorrow will be my last visit this year. I should be back 11 January. Vesele Vanoce a Hesky Novy Rok.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 Dec 20 - 03:19 AM

Fingers crossed, tomorrow will be my last visit this year. I should be back 11 January. Vesele Vanoce a Hesky Novy Rok.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,Felipa
Date: 13 Dec 20 - 03:03 PM

will the Monday night sing arounds continue into 2021 without a break? Christmas and New Year's Days are on Fridays this year. Do Joe and Noreen want time off, or will Mon. night sings go on as usual? After all, few of us will be going anywhere this winter I think.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 20 - 11:31 AM

Good question, Felipa. I think we should keep going, since none of the holidays are on Mondays. But we should ask what people think.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: leeneia
Date: 14 Dec 20 - 11:19 PM

I'd like to continue. I'm not going anywhere, and the sing-a-rounds mean a lot to me.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mr Happy
Date: 15 Dec 20 - 09:14 AM

Echoing lenia's post, I'd also like to continue. I'm not going anywhere, and the sing-a-rounds mean a lot to me too!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 15 Dec 20 - 10:07 AM

I agree with Leeneia and Mr. Happy. If the team are willing, let's carry on. It does all those who participate a power of good!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Dec 20 - 05:08 PM

I'm for keeping on keeping on too. Even the worst of new year's hangovers should be bearable by the 4th!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 20 - 02:28 AM

Hi, Everyone - I've been having trouble with blind carbon copy, and I'm not sure you all got the email. Or maybe you got it twice. If a couple of people could let me know here that they got the email, I would feel better.


We have Solstice and Christmas and all sorts of celebrations. Let's celebrate them all and have a good time doing it.
The next Mudcat Worldwide Singaround is Monday December 21, at 8 PM London time. That's noon here in California, and 3 PM in New York, and early Tuesday in Australia and New Zealand. I had no idea what time it starts in Israel (Shlomo says it's 10 PM), but we have singers from there, too.
Come join us! We open doors half an hour before the scheduled time, sing for about 5 hours, and then chat until people are done chatting. All in all, it's a wonderful time. Some people just listen - that's OK, too. Hope you can come.


Link will be posted here a couple of hours before the singaround. If you'd like to be on the email list, contact me.

joe@mudcat.org


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 20 Dec 20 - 03:34 PM

fingers crossed I can work out how to get my mike on this time - and I think I need to do something with speaker? I really am such a duh when it comes to any sort of technology .....


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Monique
Date: 20 Dec 20 - 05:15 PM

Joe, I got it twice.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 21 Dec 20 - 05:07 AM

Sadly I won't be able to join you all tonight but wishing everyone a Happy Christmas and here is a link to my musical eCard I have made which is full of seasonal beer ....sorry cheer!!!
Enjoy!

Xmas card from Sarahtheflute


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 20 - 11:59 AM

Joe Offer is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround
Time: Dec 21, 2020 12:00 PM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Now!!
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 21 Dec 20 - 07:07 PM

Alison's (from Dunoon) songs at the Solstice Session!

CAULD WINTER
Iain Ingram
Cauld Winter’s here again, and the days are short and dreary
Wi’ bitter winds an’ snaw, that aye chill the hearts o’ many
For some auld folk their plight’s a bare existence tae sustain
Wi’ scrimpin’ through necessity, and strugglin’ on their ain

Cauld Winter’s here again, aye severe an’ penetratin’
Nae quarter will it gie the hameless or forsaken
Nor pensioner who canny heat his hoose and eat an’ all
The frailest o’ society are aye the first tae fall

Cauld Winter’s here again, come are days when many suffer
In damp and draughty hames, on the road, doon in the gutter
A time when those wi’ troubled lives through hardship and despair
Need a helpin’ hand frae their fellow man tae greet the Spring once mair

Cauld Winter’s here again, ah but we’ve nae cause for girnin’
We’ve heat and comforts all, for it’s luxury we live in
Compared tae those o’ lesser means wi’ nae escape, nae favours free
Hinging oan tae life, prayin’ they’ll survive – or pey cauld Winter’s fee.

                _________________________

SUFFER THE CHILDREN
Eric Bogle

                Suffer the children to come unto me
                The man who said that died on Calvary
                And as we remember this day of His birth
                The children are suffering all over the Earth


From the African jungles to the hills of Vietnam
There are thin hungry children, black, yellow and brown
They’re starving to death on their millet and rice
And they don’t know Santa Claus, or Jesus Christ


                Suffer the children to come unto me
                The man who said that died on Calvary
                And as we remember this day of His birth
                The children are suffering all over the Earth


As you sit at your tables at this Christmastide
And you stuff the roast ham, and the turkey inside
Won’t you think of those children in lands far away
And the two thousand children who will die today?


                Suffer the children to come unto me
                The man who said that died on Calvary
                And as we remember this day of his birth
                The children are suffering all over the earth.

                        ____________________


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 20 - 10:54 PM

OK, so the post-singing conversation just ended. Total was 8 hours and 15 minutes, if you include the conversation. Singing was 5 hours. And it all was lovely.
Thanks for coming, everyone!
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 22 Dec 20 - 01:37 AM

Moorley Man, many thanks, as ever! I'll incorporate the info into my post, in a few days.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Now!!
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Dec 20 - 06:21 AM

Sorry to miss last night: I had already done 2 Zoom sessions on the trot, so ended up watching “Oliver” on TV! Merry Christmas all!


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Dec 20 - 07:22 AM

Eight hours! Man, Joe, you've got impressive stamina. I had a good time though I couldn't stick around too long.

Zoom cut out a couple of times, and I had to rejoin. I don't know if I've got the settings wrong. I'm still learning to use the controls. I'll learn.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,John McGee
Date: 22 Dec 20 - 11:52 AM

Could someone put up the words of Clear was the Night as sung by Leeneia on 21/12?


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GerryM
Date: 22 Dec 20 - 05:07 PM

John, I think that was Leeneia's own composition, so she's probably the only person who has the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 12:49 AM

It's almost midnight, and I've just seen John McGee's request. Joe is correct; they are my own composition.

Tomorrow I'll start a new thread called Lyric Add: Clear was the Night and post the lyrics in it. What do you call it when an author disavows copyright? Common Cause? Copy Complex? Whatever it is, I'll put that notice on it.

I'm glad you are interested in the words.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: GUEST,John McGee
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 09:53 AM

Thanks, Leeneia. John.


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Subject: Creative Commons
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 07:01 PM

Leeneia
Creative Commons
?

This is the system I've seen quoted.
I don't know if there is more that you have to do than quote it.

This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
License.
To view a copy of this license, visit

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 07:08 PM

^ Creative Commons,,,

This is a human-readable summary of (and not a substitute for) the license. Disclaimer.

You are free to:
Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material

The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms.

Under the following terms:
Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made.
You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.

NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes.

ShareAlike — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original.

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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: GUEST,Gallus Moll
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 06:35 PM

The painted veil
1
I’ve seen small children die of pain and hunger
Those little sticks of human misery
And in this day and age I often wonder
How long it takes to end such tragedy
For something is wrong when we can close our eyes
or turn and walk away
chorus:

Lets change with the times
our reasons and our rhythms
reviewing how we think by what we hear
to live out our days in many different ways
will we still be the same this time next year
2
I tremble when I think of Hiroshima
Support the cause for mindless wars to cease
Condemn the men of power and ambition
And all who’d threaten everlasting peace
For God only knows there s’ so much to be done
We’ve sins enough to bear

chorus:
3
Beware of fools and words of doubtful wisdom
The hawk who masquerades as gentle dove
The bigot who professes to be Christian
And murders in the name of God above
To look at this world beneath the painted veil
May break your heart and soul

chorus:
4
Someday we’ll hear the voice of understanding
Though many years may pass without a sound
When suffering throughout the world is ended
And bitter seeds are cast on stony ground
When frontiers are gone and we are all as one         
When no man stands alone

chorus:   

Music and lyrics by Iain Ingram                                 

Song notes:
I wrote this song many years ago during the period known as
”The Cold War” .
While the threat of nuclear war has been greatly reduced,
the world in this day and age remains a dangerous place                                                                                                                                                          This makes the words of the song as relevant today
as they were when I first penned them


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: GUEST,Gallus Moll
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 06:42 PM

Freedom Come All Ye   
by Hamish Henderson

        
Roch the wind in the clear day’s dawin
Blaws the cloods heelster-gowdie ower the bay
But there’s mair than a roch wind blawin
Ower the great glen o the world the day.
It’s a thocht that wad gar oor rottens
Aa they rogues that ging gallus fresh and gay
Tak the road and seek ither loanins
Fer their ill ploys tae sport an play


Nae mair will the bonnie callants
Mairch tae war when oor braggarts crousely craw
Nor wee weans fae pit-heid an clachan
Mourn the ships sailin doon the Broomielaw
Broken families in lands we’ve herriet
Will curse Scotland the Brave nae mair, nae mair
Black and white yin till ither mairriet
Maks the vile barracks o their maisters bare


So come aa ye at hame wi Freedom
Never heed whit yon hoodie croaks fer doom
In yer hoose aa the bairns o Adam
Will find breid, barley bree an paintet room
When McLean meets wi his freens in Springburn
Aa they roses an geans will turn tae bloom
An a black boy fae oot Nyanga
Dings the fell gallows o the burghers doon

                                ___________________





FREEDOM COME A’ YE                 by         Hamish Henderson

During the early 1960s the Clyde and Dunoon were the scenes of many demonstrations against the arrival of Site 1, the US Navy’s nuclear base on the Holy Loch.

Hamish Henderson wrote what was to become one of his best known and most beautiful songs ‘Freedom Come A’ Ye, dedicating it    ‘for the Glasgow Peace Marchers, May 1960’
it is sung to Hamish’s adaptation of the pipe tune
‘The Bloody Fields of Flanders’. by Dunoon born Pipe Major John (Jock) McLellan DCM
The words are in Scots, yet the meaning is clear to all, and the song endures
now the ‘Roch wind’ is depicted as sweeping away oppression and war over the whole world.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom TODAY!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 07:13 PM

46 people today. Pretty good for a holiday week.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:03 AM

I always hate it when these Monday gatherings end. Such good songs, such sweet people.


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Subject: RE: Mudcat Worldwide Singaround - On Zoom Mondays
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 04:29 AM

Sorry I didn't make yesterday's singaround. No single reason, just busy with this and that, even including posting on some other threads here.


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