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Subject: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 08:01 AM

At last! The first of the three CDs recording the shanties of John Short, the Watchet sailor - 1839-1933, will be launched in May. 24th in Watchet itself, and at Chippenham Folk Festival on 28th. It's on the Wild Goose label, and it's no. WGS381

Eighteen tracks, from Jeff Warner, Sam Lee, Roger Watson, Jackie Oates, Jim Mageean, Barbara Brown, Keith Kendrick, and Tom Brown - with Brian Willoughby and Doug Bailey.

Special early-bird offer available till end of May - go to www.umbermusic.co.uk (can't make the clicky work!)and follow Short Sharp Shanties on the menu. The other two CDs and the biography of John Short wil follow later.

TomB

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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 05:03 PM

Here is the blue clicky thing.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the link to the order form.

Cheers

Sylvia


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: SylviaN
Date: 17 Mar 11 - 05:05 PM

That message was from me.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 05:26 AM

Thanks for the clicky! - there's a higher resolution form up now, too!


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: Dead Horse
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 10:04 AM

The blurb and accompanying information on those shanties is worth the price alone.
Cant wait for mine to arrive :-)


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: skipy
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:49 PM

Picking mine up at Chippers.
Skipy


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 18 Mar 11 - 04:06 PM

Great! Congrats!!

And sure to stimulate debate :) :)


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 07:31 AM

Orders now coming in from accross the globe! Hopefully we'll get some CDs across to Mystic Seaport with Martin & Shan. What we'd really like to do at Mystic some time is the full Short Sharp Shanties presentation about his life & times & shanties!
TomB


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: JennyO
Date: 22 May 11 - 12:23 PM

I read somewhere the CD launch in Watchet is this Tuesday the 24th at the Esplanade Club in Watchet, from 9pm to midnight, and entry is free, but when we rang the Esplanade Club they said the evening started at 7.30 and they didn't know what time this show would actually start. Does anyone know any more about it than this? Tom and Barbara Brown were mentioned but we don't know how to contact them.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: JennyO
Date: 22 May 11 - 01:02 PM

Hmm. Nevermind. We tracked down Barbara Brown and she sent us a message saying that this event is by invitation only and they are already full up. Oh well.... I guess that's ONE way to have a CD launch :(


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: JennyO
Date: 22 May 11 - 01:05 PM

Also, we can't go to the Chippenham one, because we're already committed to going to Bude Festival next weekend. Can't be everywhere *sigh*


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 22 May 11 - 02:04 PM

Fear not Jenny - we've found a way to get one to you at Bude. Cash on delivery! - now, anyone else?
TomB


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: JennyO
Date: 22 May 11 - 02:50 PM

Thanks! Rob just told me about it :)


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: Snuffy
Date: 23 May 11 - 09:44 AM

I'll buy one at Bude too, Doc.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: KathyW
Date: 28 May 11 - 06:29 PM

Hooray! Just received my copy by mail here in Chicago, and am listening to it now.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 29 May 11 - 05:19 AM

Snuffy - you could if we had them there to sell - or even if we were there ourselves! We'll be [are] Hunting the Earl of Rone (except for a brief launch @ Chippenham FF). If you download the order form from the umbermusic.co.uk website before the end of the wekend, you can still get it at the pre-order/launch price of £10.99 +P&P. After that the offer stops and it's a pound more [we've got to get the costs back into the S&A Projects fund so we can do more stuff!].

KathyW - God bless the international postal services - hope you enjoy.

We had a Tremendous launch at Watchet on the 24th - real hairs on the neck job when you're rehearsing songs and a statue of the man who sang them to Cecil Sharp nearly a hundred years ago is sitting 20 yards away through the window looking back over his shoulder at you!

Nice launch at Chippenham too - although we'd lost Jackie Oates to the Nic Jones concert on the South Bank. Why, oh why, did they have to pick the same weekend as Chippenham FF's 40 anniversary? - a lot of people torn and a lot of people disappointed.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 04:17 PM

I had a little problem buying all three of these CDs in the U.S., although I know that CAMSCO carries them. I bought on CD from Jeff Warner when he came through on a house concert, and another from Keith Kendrick. I was missing Volume 2, so I downloaded it from emusic.com. The album notes are available from Wild Goose Records.

I found a very nice page with the biography of John Short [aka "Yankee Jack"] at www.everythingexmoor.org.uk

Reinhard Zierke has lots of information on the Short Sharp Shanties Project


Seems to me that Cecil Sharp's transcripts of John Short's singing should be available somewhere. Can anybody direct me to them? Seems to me most of them must be in Sharp's English Folk-Chanteys, but I'm not sure.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 01:51 AM

Joe,

The "transcripts," as I've understood it, are the original manuscripts.

The renditions of chanties collected in these manuscripts were used by Sharp to make up the versions he (Sharp) presented in the 1914 work you mentioned, as well as one or more (can't remember) that went into RR Terry's collection. Not all of the collected Short renditions (i.e. as represented in the manuscripts) were used for those collections, though most were. It is important to note, too, that they were often used as part of a synthesis of different individual's renditions to create the published version. In practical terms, Sharp, for example, might have presented the melody and a verse sung by Joe Blow Seaman and then tacked on a verse or two from the Short rendition.

According to my analysis, the Short chanty items in the manuscripts (i.e. judging from the content of the CDs) that did not make it into Sharp's English Folk-Chanteys or into Terry's work are:

NEW YORK GIRLS
SACRAMENTO
WHISKEY JOHNNY
DIXIE'S LAND
CLEAR THE TRACK
GOODBYE FARE YE WELL
LOWLANDS AWAY
PADDY ON THE RAILWAY
REUBEN RANZO
ROSABELLA
(The titles are generic ones I use...I can't be bother just now to locate Sharp's idiosyncratic titles.)

So, one will find notations of most of the other chanties from the CDs in English Folk-Chanteys. Incidentally, in some cases, Stan Hugill also reproduced versions presented by Sharp, if they were appreciably different from those familiar to him.

FWIW I have noticed that English Folk-Chanteys was not much utilized (relatively speaking) by the early Revival singers in constructing their renditions. One good, possible reason, is that the versions it contains did not supply enough verses for a performance. RR Terry, Joanna Colcord, etc, remedied this by combining verses from multiple sources, and so their collection were more handy. The effect of this is that to people steeped in particular established Revival "versions," renditions based in the John Short manuscripts sound "different/new"--regardless of whether they are being pulled from the archive or whether they have been in print for almost 100 years.


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: doc.tom
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 05:41 PM

All 3 can now be bought as a package for £30:00, as well as indiviually from Wild Goose Records - or from Keith Kendrick, Jeff Warner, Tom & Barbara Brown.

The whole recording project worked from the copies of Sharp's original notebooks at the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library at Cecil Sharp House, London. He didn't publish them all. Short didn't give him too many verses - see the comprehensive notes on the website (umbermusic.co.uk), it'll save a lot of time and speculation!

I'm very nearly persuaded to publish all Short's versions in the forthcoming book on Short's life and times - or may do it as a companion volume.

In the meantime there are just two more opportunities to see the Short Sharp Shanties Show (I have to say it early in the evening!) with Jackie Oates, Jeff Warner, Keith Kendrick, me and the missus and Doug Bailey before Jeff flies home for Thanksgiving. They are at QUAD, Derby, on the 18th November and at Nettlebed Village Hall, Oxfordshire, on the 19th November. Details on the website. The show's been exceptionally well received although goodness knows if we'll get round to doing it again - there have been a couple of enquiries for festivals in 2013,so we'll see.

Thanks you for all the nice things people have been saying abpout the project, the recordings and the shows - it makes life feel worthwhile!

TomB


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 06:45 PM

And once The Full English project is completed, all Sharp's manuscripts Including Short's shanties) will be digitised and available to the whole world on the web. see www.efdss.org
Derek


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: sciencegeek
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 09:08 AM

is it still possible to the first volume on CD? if so... where?


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Subject: RE: Short Sharp Shanty CD launch
From: SylviaN
Date: 18 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM

Sciencegeek, yes, you can get any of the three CDs individually, either from Umber music (see the blue clicky thing in the posting from me in disguise as Guest above on 17/03/2011 or from WildGoose Studios, see the blue clicky thing on Joe Offer's posting on 16/10/12 (hi Joe).

Cheers everyone - just over 3 hours to go before the performance in Derby at Quad.

Sylvia


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