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BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 07 May 11 - 06:41 PM
GUEST,lively 07 May 11 - 12:49 PM
Donuel 07 May 11 - 12:26 PM
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Genie 07 May 11 - 02:40 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 06 May 11 - 10:58 PM
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Donuel 05 May 11 - 10:48 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 May 11 - 06:41 PM

Well, Lively the Lovely, you might be right again!(mark your calender, and celebrate it once a year). I've noticed myself, that when a 'news' story breaks here, about virtually anything, within the first paragraph, always includes the consideration of that particular politician's CAREER, more that it does about the issue of how he just fucked up the people's trust that he just violated! Here, as I'm pretty sure, there, we only have the best politicians that money can buy!..and of course their political career takes priority, above anything else! It's pretty crooked here..and most Americans know it! Here, it is a common sensibility to 'vote for the lesser of two evils'! I prefer to vote my conscience, which, of course, usually not any of the front runners!..Oh, and by the way, I've been rudely, and stupidly criticized, on here, for doing just that....BY BOTH SIDES!!!
Adlai Stevenson, who ran for President four times here, in the 50's and 60's gave us his most quotable quotes, in his long career..."By the time a man is nominated for President, he is no longer fit for the job!"
Need I say more??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 07 May 11 - 12:49 PM

It seems worrying, not to mention insular and superficial, that elements of the American press are (apparently) more interested in how this incident makes their president "look", than what it may ultimately mean in terms of it's actual impact upon the world at large.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 11 - 12:26 PM

Fox news keep saying that Obama has egg on his face from the blundering the nin Laden mission.

With enough repitition thats how some people will feel even if they do not feel that way today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 07 May 11 - 12:09 PM

Get over it. Ted Kennedy exchanged the tow names dozens of times, at one meeting alone.

I hope the next #1 terrorist we kill will be Rushtie LImbaudi


your bin Laden drink of Two Shots of dead eye and a splash of water
should have a comprable 'bin Laden Smoothie' with equaly hilarious ingredients.

It also seems he had a considerable amount of mariquana in his house.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Genie
Date: 07 May 11 - 02:40 AM

Folks, as I acknowledged above, it's really easy (and not partisan) to say or type "Obama" when you mean "Osama" (or even to mix up "Saddam Hussein" and "Osama Bin Laden" back when we were "at war" with both). But how the heck do you 'innocently' report that "PRESIDENT Obama is dead" when you're thinking "Osama Bin Laden is dead?"

I find it hard to accept that as an innocent slip of the tongue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 11 - 10:58 PM

Hope and Change...3

What to Be, 4...

Sincerely,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 11 - 10:48 PM

Being as this thread mentions 'spin' and 'rpt'..see if this conjures up familiar re-actions:
Impression ......One


Image......2

to be continued, due to limit on links......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 May 11 - 03:15 PM

Wesley: "There's a new Bil Laden drink:
         Two shots and a splash of water...."

Sick, but hilarious!

Actually, with a thread title of, "Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt", that is to ASSUME that the Republicunts are the only ones spinning things. To tell you the truth, I read ALL the reports, VERY skeptically!...........

.......Which calls to mind another thread, or several, which 'debates' the subject of reading music. Now bear with me, on this one: When reading music, or beginning to learn, it is a pain in the ass to see how all these individual notes make any sense at all....BUT, if any of you have had the chance to see printed notes go by, on a screen, as the music is playing, you begin to see the continuity...and, then, of course, it makes sense!....The same with the 'news' and/or the 'reports' that have been coming out this week..and NOT ALL, seemingly have to do with this one event..or do they???
Notable, from the same tune: the Royal Wedding, buried by, the 'birth certificate', unemployment figures, drowned out by the OBL mission, then all the 'reports', and contentions about them, followed by the first of the Republican 'debates', followed by 'new details', which 'escalate' alert levels...etc.............and this is only a 'phrase' of the tune!
Its time to hear All the music, coming out of the stereo politicians, speaking out of both sides of their mouths, at the same time!!!
A grain of salt, may be needed here!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:24 PM

There's a new Bil Laden drink:

Two shots and a splash of water....


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 11 - 10:48 AM

Nazi Germany coated their submarines with a rubber to suppress sonar reflection.
Our stealth aircraft have a coating and special design shapes to suppress radar.

We left a tail section intact and unburned at the scene so the coating is now available for possible reverse engineering.

The most stealthy part of that helicopter (a hybrid Black Hawk) is that it has a very good muffler on the engine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 05 May 11 - 08:47 AM

a mudcat exclusive



Ding Dong! bin Laden's dead. Which old terrorist? The Wicked terrorist!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Laden's dead.
Wake up - you sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Laden's dead.
He's gone where goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's see him dead and look at what the picture shows.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Laden's dead!

(Obama)
As commander and chief, In the County of the Land of UZ, I inform you most regally.
(Petraus)
But we've got to verify it legally, to see
(Panetta)
To see?
(Petraus))
If he
(Panetta)
Is photo'd and buried at sea?
(Admiral Mullen)
Is morally, ethically,
(NBC)
Spiritually, physically
(ABC)
Positively, absolutely
(CBS)
Undeniably and reliably Dead

(DNA expert)
As Coroner I must concur, I thoroughly examined this monstrous cur. His mitochondrial DNA cross referenced with his sister shows...
That he's not only merely dead, he's really most sincerely dead.
(Obama)
Then this is a day of Independence For all good Americans and their descendants
(Petraus)
If any.
(Obama)
Yes, let the joyous news be spread The wicked bin Laden at last is dead!
(FOX NEWS) We'd really like a pic instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Bobert
Date: 05 May 11 - 07:35 AM

Here's the insanity to the Repub logic:

"Well, the photos are going to get leaked anyway so why not just release them now?"

Did the "stealth helicopter" get leaked???

Hmmmmmm??? One heck of a lot more people knew about it and from being involved in it's design and building and yet it was a not leaked???

The assumption that the few folks who have access to the bin Laden photos will leak them has no basis...

Sorry, Repubs...

Bad answer!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:05 AM

As I posted before...you're arguing over 'details' given out by the administration's 'leakers', and the press conferences....just like Jessica Lynch

So slow down, take it slower!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:49 PM

LH ... "The real expression is "hara kiri".

oh

I thought it the real expression was seppuku

biLL ... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: frogprince
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:29 PM

OMG, Severn; do yoou mean that the Easter Bunny has been reported dead?!??!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Severn
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:00 PM

I can see why some people, based on past goverment and CIA track records could doubt the reports of Osama's death, BUT....

As for some of these conservative good Christian folks who are over-laden with skepticism and who are clamoring to see the pictures of Bin Laden's corpse as evidence rather than accept the claims as an act of faith as the ONLY means of proof that he's actually a "Has-Bin" Laden, where were THEY and why didn't we hear complaints from THEM a few weekends ago at EASTER?.....


Can they expect to have it BOTH ways?


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:44 PM

He's become an NRD - not really dead. like Billy the Kid, John Dillinger, and Elvis.

The CIA have a NRD file that can't be opened for five hundred years. Its top secret, I could be killed for telling you this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:09 PM

The real story of how they found Bin Laden must be that John McCain, who stated repeatedly during thw 2008 campaign thst "I know how to get him", was ovrcomw ith a fit of non-partisan patriotism, broke down and told Obama the secret.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:57 PM

That is a fine looking documentation of history and song.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: MartinRyan
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:51 PM

Why am I reminded of Farmer Michael Hayes?

Regards

p.s. must tidy up the text of that DT version. Placenames are a bugger...


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:42 PM

Oh, dang! And here I was, panting to see them... (satirical remark)


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:36 PM

The decision was announced.

Obama will not release the death pictures of Usama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:28 PM

FOX news is now calling Obama's command raid a huge blunder for not kidnapping Usama's wife for special interrrogation later. They could not believe that a Black Hawk helicopter couldn't take her on top of all the computers body and armed troops.

"THere is always room for one more person on a helicopter just like we can always get another child in the van no matter how full it is. His wife doesn;t look like she weighs even a hundred pounds"

THe talking heads, busts and legs for this new complaint comes in the form of two fake blondes in little black dresses. These insights were made by Monica Crowley and Kelly's replacement who is also a fake blonde who wears little black dresses for her show.

FOX has the highest density of fake blondes and pretty faces of any network.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:39 PM

yep, I've done it too :(


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:24 PM

I think it's mostly just mental laziness producing familiair auditory patterns, rather like a parrot does.

Example:

Virtually every American says "harry carry" when referring to a well-known Japanese expression for suicide. The real expression is "hara kiri".

That's pronounced Harrah kee-ree, as should be obvious from the spelling "hara kiri". It's not harry carry! Why do Americans say "harry carry"? Well, it's easy to say because it rhymes in a singsong manner like "see ya later, alligator". To notice that it's actually hara kiri demands a little careful attention. To say harry carry does not. Thus the lazy and basically not very attentive mind just morphs hara kiri into harry carry without even noticing.

It's usually just a lazy, hurrying, not very attentive mind that juxtaposes "Osama" and "Obama", and it doesn't even notice while it's doing it. Why doesn't it notice? Well, probably because it's already fully occupied with the next thing it's about to say...


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:15 PM

Sen Kennedy confused Ossma with Obama 6 times in one statement, but he had a brain tumor.

Glen Beck yesterday substituted killing Obama for killing Usama.

btw have you noticed only FOX news spells USAMA
while everyone else spells Osama?


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:09 PM

Donuel "( Whadduya think?   Did I capture the correct tone and "facts" the Republican media is currently spewing?)"

Yeah, pretty much.

BTW, I don't fault anyone for saying "Obama" when they mean "Osama." The names virtually invite spoonerisms (e.g., Obama Sin Laden). I myself even initially posted the news on my Facebook page that "Obama is dead. Obama to address the nation shortly."
(Fortunately, unlike Mudcat & other sites, Facebook lets you delete your own posts, so I caught my mistake almost immediately and corrected it.)
But how do you get from "Osama" or "Osama Bin Laden" to "PRESIDENT Obama?"???


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:56 AM

Same old negative partisan lunacy and bullshit. What did you expect?

Their job, after all, is to denigrate and destroy one another. That's how you win and how you make the other party lose. It's even how you make competing people in your OWN party lose (during the primaries). You denigrate, slander, and destroy them. The same crap happens up here in Canada between not 2, but 4 parties! And it just resulted in an election where a party that is only backed by 40% of the Canadian public (and actively detested by the other 60%) has won a majority of the seats in our parliament!!!!!!!!

And you thought you Americans had things to complain about. ;-D

The party that won our election is a rightwing party, somewhat like the Republicans. It's now ruling over a centre-left inclined population that regularly gets its 60% vote split 3 ways between 3 different parties while the ONE right wing party walks away with the prize.

Why does this happen? Because every goddamn political party thinks only about its own selfish power agenda, NOT about the nation or the public it's supposedly there to serve, and the 3 centre-left parties I alluded to would rather die, apparently, then surrender their prideful separate identities and form a single new party to represent the 60% of the Canadian public who are being shut out of the process by having their vote split 3 ways.

Insanity. And it's happening because of the political parties.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Bill D
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:20 AM

"In his excitement following President Obama's speech Sunday night announcing the death of Osama Bin Laden, one Washington, D.C. Fox news anchor misspoke...a lot.

"President Obama speaking from the East Room of the White House," the anchor says as the president walks away from the podium, "telling the nation and the world that President Obama is, in fact, dead."

The video shows his stunned co-anchor quickly realize the mistake. She tries to get his attention, although he continues before realizing what he said."

And Fox actually managed to use the phrase "Obama bin Laden" in its captions. EITHER they did it on purpose to keep that 'idea' alive, or someone there is so caught up in the idea that it just is now automatic to say it that way.....either way, it makes me shudder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:07 AM

The one best way to defeat OBama is to collude to keep gas prices as high as possible until November 15th.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:53 AM

the same old crap


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 10:22 AM

Additionaly we hear on FOX NEws how this guy Obama (actual phrase) has only stirred up a hornet's nest that put all Americans at risk.
THis was only a symbolic act regarding a symbolic individual but the killing of Osaba bin Laden will only create more acts of terror against America. Osama has made all of us less safe!

On FOX cable news, the mention of the commando raid in Pakistan must now be sandwiched between the claim of creating more terrorism and credit for George W Bush and our armed forces. Obama is refered to as the President more often than by his full name and title for PResident George W Bush.

Half of the confusion regarding details of the Navy Seals raid on the compund were first made by FOX news. I have screen shots of the various false statements that were made the following morning. They now blame on the administration.

Obama has ordered the summary executions of Somali Pirates, 30 terrorist leaders are killed by drone strikes, tripled troops in Afghanistan   and now directed the killing Osama bin Laden in accordence with his campaign promise. Republicans may try to play poker with this guy at their own peril but it looks like they will lose their shirts regardless of their lies, distortions, disrespect and pathetic attempts to rally thier base with racism.
Yet Republicans will drone on with


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:52 AM

Do you think his death certificate, certified by the county coroner, would be sufficient?

Only if its the long form death certificate, certified by Donald Dump.

... once an INDIVIDUAL who believes in something, bands together with other individuals...

You Betcha, InSanity- beware of stupid people in groups.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Donuel
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:00 AM

There is no spin, there are no talking points, there is no reason to besmirch Republicans for Obama's blatent pandering to the anti genocide lobby for a pity bump in the polls.

This guy Obama didn't create the Patriot act or advanced interrogation techniques that led to the Bush era trained Navy Seals, it was George W Bush.

This creepy guy Barak is going to stand on Ground Zero where President George W Bush heroicly hailed the crowd on 9-12 "I hear you America"! Its positively disgusting.

George W Bush saved America while this juvenile Barak guy let 9-11 happen in the first place. Taking credit from the brave GWB is a ludricrous display of cowardice and lieing.

The killing of bin Laden will have a very short shelf life compared to the change that George W Bush and Dick Cheney brought about by revamping the COnstitution, setting up secret CIA prisons, rendition, Patriot Acts, Enhanced interrogation, hiring 80 mercenary contractors like Halliburton and Black Water and creating over 200 addition agencies to deal with terrorism with 880,000 new top secret clearence employees.

You can't spin the facts my friends. Maybe when this African guy currently claiming the Presidency will grow up one day and realize who the adults are in the war on terrorism and give credit to the Bush administration as one would respect their parents. The reality is that Barak does not have parents and George W Bush has both a loving mother and father.

This pitiful bump in the polls for this pretender will soon evaporate. People will soon see that Barak sadly used the US miitary to distract people from looking closly at the newest birth certificate and secondly to pre empt the last 20 minutes of Donald Trump's show to announce the supposed death of Obama bin Laden.

THis is what the adults in the room already know!



( Whadduya think?   Did I capture the correct tone and "facts" the Republican media is currently spewing?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:55 AM

Trump is right. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Lox
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:50 AM

Obama has let us all down.

Let the repubs say what they like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:26 AM

Fox TV and AM radio are both supporting the view that Bin Laden never would have been caught if it hadn't been for the enhanced interrogation methods used at Gitmo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 May 11 - 08:01 AM

Well, while y'all are banding up your evolving asses, please note that the great unwashed American public has just given Obama an 85% approval rating on the ObL greasing................

Politics are matters of methodology and until you change the method ain't jack shit gonna' change.........


Spaw..........totally unevolved


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: J-boy
Date: 04 May 11 - 03:42 AM

Not to get too optimistic LH, but isn't the fact that you and I and all our fellow highly evolved primates can communicate like this wondrous? Twenty years ago this thing we call the internet scarcely existed. Humanity is binding together like never before. The possibilities are still wonderful. The simple fact that you are reading my inane post is proof of that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:52 AM

Yes, Genie, it has been getting worse in recent decades...probably because the stakes are higher now...and the visible cracks in our society are getting a lot wider, because our society has long passed its cultural and organizational peak and is sliding into decadence and decline. Under such conditions politicians are forced to lie more outrageously than is the case in more prosperous and civilized times.

I think that the party-based political system has become very decadent, just as some other systems did before it. It's ripe for a fall. We are living in the days of its decline, so the divisions it provokes are getting wider and less temperate, general disillusionment in government is growing deeper all the time, and the politicians are flailing around trying to cover their asses with misleading rhetoric while they mortgage the whole society to hold off gigantic debts that simply cannot be paid.

Where will it end? Well, not any place that's very nice, I don't think. When I was a young man it looked like the world was going to get better, and the possibilities seemed wonderful. It doesn't look that way now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:29 AM

Well, 'Guest'(with no name), you're welcome!

Hey, let 'froggie-face' and 'Greg F' know you are not me, pretending to be Little Hawk, pretending to be me!..pretending to be you!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:26 AM

Poster appears to be Akenaton.
Simply "tribalism", without any of the redeeming features of primitive tribal societies.
Anti-democratic, manipulatory, anti freedom.
George Orwell said it all and his words do not only apply to "totalitarian regimes"

Well said Little Hawk and GfS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:21 AM

Genie: .."and I don't think any partisanship before has ever rivaled the near-total vehemence and vilification of "the other", that we've been seeing since..the increasing convergence of political and financial power, and the emergence of bigger and more powerful trans-national corporations... (especially?) when they do exactly what your "side" does in the same situation."

Now that makes more sense!!

"What would you do, if you sang out of tune...
You get by with a little help from your friends!..."

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Genie
Date: 04 May 11 - 02:06 AM

Hawk and GfS, I don't disagree about the destructiveness of having political parties -- ESPECIALLY in a 2-party, winner-take-all system like we have in the US.

But we've had this system for centuries, and I don't think any partisanship before has ever rivaled the near-total vehemence and vilification of "the other" that we've been seeing on the part of so many Repbubicans since the Clinton administration and, even more so, continuing with John Kerry's candidacy and into Obama's administration.

I think that phenomenon has a lot to do with the increasing convergence of political and financial power and the emergence of bigger and more powerful trans-national corporations. The stakes of the game are escalating, in terms of money, power, and control.   And you don't "win" in that kind of power game by doing so much as giving your "opponents" credit where it's due, even (especially?) when they do exactly what your "side" would have done in the same situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:52 AM

May I add, that once an INDIVIDUAL who believes in something, bands together with other individuals, all claiming the same 'cause', there begins a 'power struggle' to be the one individual who is MORE representative of the group, than the others, in the group. This is usually determined by who can lie about it the best, and/or deceive the rest of the group, that this is true. Once he rises to the top of the group, he then is their representative...and runs for elected office! Then he lies, to gain financial support for his efforts, and once elected, owes those 'donors', for their 'contributions'. The higher the office, the bigger the bribes!..Now to hide that, all he has to do is lie some more!..then get the deceived 'party hacks' to defend him, and act appalled that anyone would, could or should think their guy is full of shit! Now it becomes a contest to which of the parties have the best liar!...Then once in office, the electorate acts surprised, and disillusioned, that he was just like the guy from the 'other' party, that he just replaced!!!
Right guys????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:34 AM

The above post, I might add, does NOT indicate "colorless neutrality" on my part. I utterly detest the Republicans to the very depth of my being...while I am merely somewhat disgusted with the Democrats. Like comparing 10 to 5 on the scale of disgust. I would vote Democratic if I were forced to choose between them and the Republicans.

But the main point is: I think the very idea of having political parties was wrong from the getgo. It was a very bad idea. It should never have been done. It creates endless trouble and terrible corruption. It should not have been done in Canada or Great Britain or anywhere else either. It should never have been done anywhere.

And that is the point I am making. You do not need political parties to have liberty, freedom, and representative democracy. All you need is a number of independent nonpartisan candidates running in each riding at specific intervals (say 2 years or 4 years), universal suffrage, and an assembly formed from the candidates who get elected each time. That assembly is fully capable of representing the public and conducting all the necessary work of government, debating the issues, voting on those issue, and passing legislation....with NO political parties present to poison the process by dividing and conquering both the population and the elected assembly itself.

Party politics is war. It's permanent fulltime war without guns, but with all the malice aforethought that characterizes war. And as Lincoln said: "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

Our present modern societies are houses divided against themselves BY the very political parties that have taken them over. We are living in the midst of an enormous historical error in human governance. It has replaced the previous error which was rule by absolute monarchs. In some ways it is better than that was. But it's still an enormous error. We can do far better than what we are doing now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 May 11 - 01:16 AM

Thank you, Little Hawk for addressing this bit of lunacy!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:32 AM

Party politics is a virulent and deadly disease. It causes selective blindness, gross prejudice, hatred, division, irreconcilable differences, irrationality, and insanity. It will not end until there are no political parties left in existence at all, just an elected national assembly of non-partisan, completely independent representatives who are beholden to NO party machine, but only to the constituents who elected them...and to the nation they serve.

That is not going to happen in my lifetime. Political parties will continue to corrupt and dominate the political process. They will continue to divide and conquer the public.

And I know it.

And that's that.

But I pray that it WILL happen someday. (just as the absolute monarchies which once ruled everywhere were finally brought to an end. Every form of irrational political tyrrany finally ends...but it may take a very long time before the end comes for the present form of political madness...the partisan system.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: J-boy
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:27 AM

You're right Kendall, they will never cut him any slack. I and many others hated Bush the Second but never with as much vehemence as the right-wing have shown towards Obama. His detractors will never admit it, but having a black president with a "foreign" sounding name drives them completely mad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Republicans 'spin' Bin Laden death rpt
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 11 - 12:11 AM

I read bloggers' comments about as much as I could stomach following an article. To a man - or a woman - the right wing insisted that it was George W. Bush who deserved the credit- for the plan he had put into motion. They did not address the length of time it took for his plan to bear fruit.


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