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Subject: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 99 - 11:29 AM Click for the 'PermaThread™: List of all joke threads'I've watched the Mudcat form its own cult-like jargon over the last couple of years. To keep it more accessible to new-comers and more inclusive, I think it would be helpful to have a thread defining some of the inside jokes and jargon that is unique to this forum. Here are some of the references that may confuse a new-comer. Here is the challenge: Find the original thread or threads that explain the source of how these terms are used on the Mudcat and add a link to them.
Neil Young Center (provide full name and location with link to source thread)
Hamster dance
Christian Deer Hunters (sorry, I might not have that title right)
Tiple
Possum
Blue Clicky Thing (or thang)
Ocarina If you can think of more, please add other terms that have special meaning when used on the Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jon Freeman Date: 18 Sep 99 - 11:54 AM I for one would certainly like to know what these terms mean. The only one I have got is a blue clicky thing but as I have helped a few people to get started with computers, I am reasonably familiar with that sort of terminology and worse. I once worked as Systems Co-ordinator for the production control department of a major UK manufacturing site and some of the things I heard were unbelievable. My favourite that was thrown at me was the chap who came to me telling me that the printer had made a mistake when it printed his personal copy (which was printed on four part paper) of a particular stock report. Even when I produced another copy of the same print job and his wrongly completed input document, I couldn't persuade him that the mistake was his and not the printers! Thinking of my time at Hotpoint and computers, another of my favourites was an error message that used to come up if somebody made an ommission when entering the production plan - it was the "revenge" of a programmer who was leaving the company and read "Hey Bimbo - do you think I'm clairvoyant or something! - What's the working number?" Another message on the same programme was "Hey, pull the other one - how can you ammend a line that I didn't display!". Jon |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Rick Fielding Date: 18 Sep 99 - 12:03 PM Alice, I'm afraid that "blue clicky thing" is mine, and OHHH GAWD do I regret it! It started naturally from embarrassment at being a computer neophyte and watching all you net-whizzes highlight to your heart's content. Plus, the increasing (sort of) anger from Joe Offer, who was obviously spending too much of his quality time chastising the terminally stupid among us, was making me feel guilty. I felt unteachable, until those gentle nurturing Catters Tony Burns and Peter T showed me the way! As far as "Neil Young, Possums, Tiples and ocarinas" I think I know which direction the arrows are pointed. For what it's worth, I think as new catters come on board, these terms come up less and less. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: WyoWoman Date: 18 Sep 99 - 12:14 PM Yeah, but I LIKE those terms. I've started using Blue Clicky Thing in my own world now. And as for the other references, I don't think I saw the original thread for any of them, but I have figured them all out from context. It's a little confusing sometimes, but not in a frightening way. But then, some of us welcome uncertainty more than others. Part of my heritage from the '60s. ;-} Maybe we could start a "Silly FAQs" somewhere ... But I hope we don't start censoring our silliness because it confuses newcomers. I've only been around since May, so I'm not exactly an old-timer. But after a few times sitting back saying, "What the hell are these people talking about?" I saw it as an invitation to some high-grade (and sometimes ultra-low-grade) silliness, which, given how serious the rest of my life is, was a most welcomed diversion. BTW -- I still haven't figured out how to make the blue clicky things that link to other sites. But -- my life is rich and full, so maybe I'll live without that particular skill... WW |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: wildlone Date: 18 Sep 99 - 12:35 PM im a newbie ifound the hamster or should that be hampster surfing around somplace, as to references to other animals theres not much you can tell a dorset boy about sheep ask my first girl baa-bra |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 99 - 01:19 PM OK, I have a little time on my hands right now this Saturday morning, so I will make a few links to some of the original threads.
Here, also, is the clicky thing to the Test Your Mudcat IQ thread which explains (or confuses) some of the jokes.
Here is a link containing info, as LEJ called it, on the Catspaw Myth Cycle, and as Peter T. called it, a condensed version of a whole collection of space wasters. click for Christian Deerhunters and more.
The original tiple (tipple) thread.click here Photos of the possum ocarina.click here |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 01:53 PM Well.......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 99 - 02:03 PM What!!?? Spaw, I can't believe you are speechless. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 02:58 PM Speechless?...No....But I have the feeling I'm at the Pearly Gates and someone is reading a list of my whatever for the Grand Poobah....... You've done a great job there Alice. As Rick said, much of this gets used less and less as newcomers come along, but it's often replaced by some other silliness such as we witnessed yesterday in the truly hilarious "Exotic Dancer" thread, started appropriately enough by El Swanno. At this point too, a newcomer can get the craziness drift by reading the entire collection of Mudcat Tavern threads, originally stated by Leej for the purpose of kinda' "regrouping" after a very nasty little period. As far as some other things.........well, I'd say I'm sorry, but I'm not......Let's see... The whole business with Cleigh O'Possum started as most of these things do, quite innocently. Rick said he had a rosewood kazoo and in the process of chiding him about it, I threw in a real "throw-off" line about wanting an animal shaped ocarina but was holding out for one where I could blow up a possum's ass. It was the most ridiculous thing that occurred to me at the time.....then Barbara Blessings chimed in that she'd try to make one and the rest is Mudcat history.......how was I to know? I think the first possum reference was between Bert and I prior to that and was in regards to a possum having an ospenis. I don't know which threads these are on because I wasn't trying to develop a "Mudcat Icon".......just make a bad joke!!! There are some that are used which I did push, simply to "jab" a bit at the 'Catter or some trivial element of their personality.......I wouldn't do it if I didn't love them and they should know that. Like Jeri and the "clams and hooters" crap, bbc and the "overprotective Mother," or poor Peter T. and that stupid "Waylon Heron" BS. I know they wish the crap would go away, and it often does...for awhile.....and then I'll throw in a reference just to needle them a bit. Maybe I had bad early toilet trainig and it's the only way I show how I really feel......(Great Psychobabble).....actually, I just enjoy doing it. Any others??? Oh yeah, I DID NOT start the condom thread...Art did... as a way to end the "boilerplate" threads we'd been running and it backfired, to say the least. Gawd I love the 'Cat!!!!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Alice Date: 18 Sep 99 - 03:25 PM The virtual-reality-fantasy-creative-writing at the Mudcat was beginning with the Fantasy Song Circle threads that I noticed back when I first became a Mudcatter. They annoy some Mudcats who consider them a waste of bandwidth, and delight and inspire other Mudcats. At the birth of the aforementioned Tavern thread series (thanks for links, Jeri) I also started a Mudcat Campfire thread, which was a virtual retreat to a campout in the mountain forest. The virtual gatherings were a much needed respite from the tension and conflict of the time. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 03:51 PM And Alice, like the Tavern, it was a truly inspired idea in that troubled time period. The "virtual" threads are really tremendous places to share bits of ourselves and our particular passions. No matter what the subject, they allow many to get involved in comfortable ways and feel the true warmth that Mudcat can give. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Sep 99 - 05:10 PM I guess I'm one of those who tend to get annoyed at the "insider" jokes and jargon. I come to the 'Cat to discuss music, and I also enjoy some of the philosophical discussions and the lighter style of humor that gets mixed in with the music and philosophy. I don't really mind the other stuff, as long as the opportunity for serious discussion doesn't get lost in all the fluff - and as long as visitors don't get insulted or turned away. When I go into a thread like the Mudcat Tavern, I get totally lost. I feel like I feel when I get stuck at a cocktail party. I guess I just don't enjoy "small talk." Lots of people do, so I guess there must be some value to it. I suppose it may sound terribly cold-hearted of me, but I don't feel particularly good about the birthday greetings threads, or even the threads that express sympathy to people for one thing or another. I mean, it's nice to be sympathetic and all, but a thread of hundred messages that all say the same thing just turns me off cold. In a way, I feel an obligation to join in and add my similar sentiments, but I've decided lately to resist that. Don't think me insensitive or unfriendly - it's just that my mind doesn't work that way. So, I try to tolerate the tavern and the birthday threads, and I hope people will tolerate me if they don't like my style at times. I do think there has to be a balance, and I think the balance is fairly good right now. There has to be room for fun, and there has to be room for serious discussion. I think that intolerance and hatefulness can destroy the good spirit we have here. So can whining, indignant replies to that intolerance. Anyhow, I hope we can keep the balance. -Joe Offer- Oh, and here's how to make a blue clicky thing:
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Philippa Date: 18 Sep 99 - 05:18 PM Joe, You made this thread worth reading! |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 05:35 PM Gee Joe, you are in exceptionally good form today. Interesting that you feel the mix is good right now, as I am a little worried we may be a little long on the BS! Whatever.......Personally Father Joebro, the 'Cat values you for far more than you suspect....I think we all know your level of discomfort at the "party"...but your value in that role, you'll never know. It keeps the place on an even keel. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jack (Who is called Jack) Date: 18 Sep 99 - 05:52 PM At the risk of being too serious about this, groups like the mudcat run a serious risk of becoming insular and rigid. The small group social dynamics, long term freindships, the fuzzy line between the 'business & purpose' aspects and the 'pleasure and socal' aspects of the group, and the high passions associated with a group like this make it particularly vulnerable. In this regard the Mudcat is very much like small churches or volunteer community service groups. Over time they develop an implied heirarchy with an inner circle and an outer circle. And while such a group may be very inclusive with regard to the fringe, they may not be very inclusive with regard to the inner circle and its sense of ownership. Now I don't necessarily think that the Cat is at that point, but occasionally I hear things that raise my concern. Not only the inside jokes and vernacular, but also the strength of reaction to some of Max's changes, expressed worries that too many 'newcomers' would 'ruin the special community here', a sense of US v. THEM with respect to those who don't understand or appreciate folk and traditional like WE do. As much as I would like to believe that such could happen to us, my personal experience seeing it happen in more than one organization tells me otherwise. The dynamics are there and it is incumbent upon us to resist them, and to always remember that Mudcat isn't about us and for us, its about folk and traditional music and for folk and tradtional music. Again, I think the cat is in a good place overall, but it never hurts to keep in mind what can happen if we are not careful. Best Regards Jack (Closing Soapbox program now)
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Bill D Date: 18 Sep 99 - 06:59 PM you know, Joe & Jack make good points about the 'insider' jokes and banter and such...but I doubt that it will change much. Lets face it, there are simply different 'mindsets' and comfort levels...I know people who simply do not 'open up' at parties or in large gatherings You do too. In smaller groups, after being introduced, they are fine, But getting into this group is not easy! I know...newcomers are always welcomed, but the welcome is often overwhelming and confusing...and to really 'catch up' on the swirl of banter & interlocking threads is not for the average browser...or for the timid or faint of heart! I always liked the (perhaps apocryphal) story of the multi-cultural party at some UN function where a delegate from Sweden was talking to one from Israel..(or similar disparate cultures)...and they were constantly moving in circles around the room as the Swede tried to increase his personal space, and the Israeli tried to decrease it! And neither quite realized what was wrong,...Some people stand right in your face to converse, while some NEED to leave some distance. The situation here is similar...some LEAP right into any thread with thread creep and cute remarks, while others not only can't think of appropriate replies, they think it silly to try!.....(Me, I am somwhere in the middle to right end.*grin*)..... I sort of like the idea of the off-the-wall threads being (mostly) kept to the tavern and a few others..(the BS thing helps...AFTER you get the idea!) I am not expecting that any of this will solve the dilema...just trying to shed a little light...... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 07:29 PM Well Bill, I'm forced to agree...actually not much forcing required...............I agree too that organizations fail for the reasons outlined and that we stay on guard for it. I would say too that Mudcatters as a group spend a lot of time worrying about this and creating the "dilemna' of which you speak Bill. NOW...when we STOP arguing about it, THEN we're in trouble. Just saw a story on CNN about an entire herd of homeless hamsters living in a culvert in DC. Know anything about it Bill? Spaw -- "balancing" his post |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 18 Sep 99 - 08:20 PM I think we are missing an important point, is that one of the reasons the Mudcat is so attractive to a lot of us is, it is never the same from one day to the next. It is always in a state of growth, ebbing and flowing in several different directions. The day we need to really worry, IMHO (in my humble opinion) is when we come on here and it is the same few stagnant threads with just a handful of consistent posters. I think it was on the first radio show that Max listed how many of us are what he considers consistent posters and it was a goodly number. None of us will ever agree wholeheartedly on most subjects; there lies the beauty of this place. We all try to be respectful in our differences of opinion and that keeps it lively, educational, and fun. Some of us are comfortable with jumping right in; some aren't. That can engender a healthy balance. BTW, anytime someone thinks I am expouding too much, all they have to do is say so. I won't apologise but I'll certainly discuss it.*bg* katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Sep 99 - 08:30 PM I don't want to discuss it woman...just shut the hell up!!!.........signed, gargoyle LMAO..Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 18 Sep 99 - 08:32 PM So....you want no apologies, also, right? 'Cause ya aren't gettin' any! LOL....kat |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Dani Date: 18 Sep 99 - 08:51 PM I just want to lift a glass in your direction, Joe. I feel very much the same, and the cocktail party analogy is a good one. I just try to get around to where I WANT to be, and stay (as politely as possible) out of conversations I have no interest in. I also TRY not to be presumptuous when the subject is out of my league, or over my head, or none of my business. At any gathering, in any organization, there will be parts to love, parts that keep you coming. And there will be parts that annoy, that irritate, that seem silly and inconsequential. Well, you know: one man's weed, and all that. So I keep coming back for the good stuff, and for the times with the Mudcat does what it does best. It's still the best thing going for what it is and what it does. And I am always grateful to find honest community, warts and all... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: bbelle Date: 18 Sep 99 - 10:08 PM Well ... folks ... as in most things in life, there is freedom of choice at the Mudcat Cafe. The freedom lies not in the blue clicky thing, but in the white clicky thing that allows you to enter, or not, any thread. I don't ever think of who may not have posted to a thread ... my thinking is that (I hope) every mudcatter has a life outside of the Mudcat Cafe. Sometimes I'm in the mood for bullshit and sometimes I'm not, therein lies the secret to whether or not I enter a particular thread. I had a birthday a couple of months ago and there was a rollicking repartee going on about my birthday party ... I was feeling rather low for different reasons and it had a great deal to perk me up. I couldn't tell you who did or didn't post to the thread. (OK ... I do remember who was going to be there with the s'mores whilst I was ironing their clothes.) And I certainly wouldn't feel badly about anyone who chose not to post. I do, however, miss the political and issue-related threads, because the opinions were so interesting. Enough said ... moonchild (sharing the soapbox with Jack)
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Bill D Date: 19 Sep 99 - 12:22 AM them hamsters are still working part time...and with Mick watching over this stuff, they even have a little hamster union that get 'em GOOD benefits...all they have to go is power the 486+ and WIN3.1 till I get stuff transferred, then they get extended vacations and their own little play yard away from the treadmill...(funny though...when they were shown the new facilities, they all spent hours running on this silly wheel!) |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Sep 99 - 04:32 AM Moonchild, how do you rate WHITE clickies? I suppose you have an avant-garde black screen on a tangerine iMac, or something like that... Well, there are times when I logs onto the Mudcat and all I see on the Forum Menu are chit-chat threads - no songs to discuss at all. That's when I think things are out of balance, when there's an atmosphere that tends to push away those who come to talk about music. When that happens, there are a few of us make a concerted effort to fix things by starting or reviving music-related threads. sometimes that works, but sometimes it doesn't. It's important for all of us to keep that balance. If you see things are out of whack, swing over to the music side for a while. The chit-chat is fun, but it's the meaty discussions of music that make us the extraordinary place that we are. But I admit that I felt a need to head for the tavern tonight. I had a sad story to tell, and I needed a drink to drown my sorrows. The love of my life ran into my brand-new red car.... with her autoharp. This is very hard on a relationship. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Banjer Date: 19 Sep 99 - 08:23 AM Hopefully, Joe, It wasn't as hard on the relationship as it probably was pn the brand new red car paint job! Brings up several interesting points though...how fast was she driving the autoharp? Is she a licensed autoharp driver/player? Was she insured while driving/playing the autoharp? All things that must be considered! |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Ferrara Date: 19 Sep 99 - 02:02 PM Catspaw, I'm still sitting here keeping the hamsters busy, because all my Getaway notes are in WRITE under Windows 3.1 and all my e-mails are over on this slow little box too. But if the hamsters are ever put out to grass, you can be sure they won't be put out to culvert. I bought three "fancy" mice two weeks ago, and those are possibly the state of Maryland's most pampered mice. I buy them toys and exercisers, I feed them sunflower seeds for a treat. I LIKE rodents, except for black and Norway rats. (We get wood rats under the bird feeder sometimes, and I even like those.) That said, I'm going to go start a song thread. - RF |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 99 - 02:10 PM Ferrara, I have a friend who used to have a very nice pet rat. She had a very nice quartz crystal in her abode and even loved to drink the homemade Manchurian Mushroom Tea, her "mom" made as a health drink. (We were all into that for awhile. I even had an article published on it.) Nice rat. kat |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: alison Date: 20 Sep 99 - 03:03 AM Hamster dance ****WARNING***** the music on this WILL drive you crazy!!!! great idea Alice..... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: alison Date: 20 Sep 99 - 03:05 AM and for when you get fed up with the hamsters slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: paddymac Date: 20 Sep 99 - 07:55 AM I find the diversity of threads, and opinions therein, to be informative, educational, and often hilarious. And there are also the occasional fecal pellets in the punch bowl. Maybe the perceived problem is not really the diversity, per se, but the fact that a 'catter or visitor can find disappointment when the content of a thread turns out not to be what they were hoping/expecting to find. If that be so, then it seems a simple solution might be to open a variety of "bins" in the forum, so that a contributor could create their thread under the most appropriate bin heading. Thus, if you were in the mood for a visit to the library or tavern, you could go there more directly. Likewise the campfire, possum, weather, BS, politics of the day, etc., etc. The goal is to simply reduce the "disappointment factor" and save the time some folks feel is wasted on perusing threads that go too far afield from their immediate interest. Maybe that's a bit longwinded way of saying we really can have our cake and eat it too. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: WyoWoman Date: 20 Sep 99 - 08:24 AM Well, weighing in from wild Wyoming: Sometimes I "lurk" in the music threads, and I always learn a great deal -- sometimes just how very much I *don't* know. I don't post to many of them because my knowledge of trad. music isn't as encyclopedic as that of many people here. I'm definitely in a learning curve in that regard, but I do find the knowledge base enriching and available. And when I know something, I'll offer my thoughts or the words to a song or whatever. I've used the forum to get words or to find recordings I've been wanting. But, as I said elsewhere, I have a very serious, high-pressure job and when I come home, it's nice to just plug into some unbridled silliness sometimes. What I often end up feeling like is that a bunch of these folks are the same ones I hung out with back in college, when we didn't know we were Boomers, we just knew that the music was cool, the pot was $20 a lid, we were going to change the world and life had no limits. We were silly then and we're still silly after all this time. But seriously so. And, Joe, I tend to agree with you about the postings on sickness and personal tragedies, but then I'm one who generally would like to fall through a trapdoor when sorrow hits me so I don't have to be vulnerable to the good wishes of so many friends. That may sound twisted, but sometimes all the emotion, even if it's well-intended, is just too much. BUT I know that just has to do with my personality, and that some people are better equipped to take in such information. And I also know that it contributes to other people to allow them to express their sympathy, good wishes and so forth. It's just that some pain is so far beyond words .... Oh, well -- I'm rambling. But there's my two centavos' worth. WyoWoman |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Allan C. Date: 20 Sep 99 - 08:33 AM Joe, not that I am unsympathetic about the car, but I gotta know: Was the autoharp damaged? Truth is that I am glad to see this thread. I have been hanging around the Mudcat for nearly a year and a half. You would think I would know all this stuff. But, with all that happens here, you only have to blink and you miss something. I had to finally swallow my pride and show off my ignorance by asking someone what the hell a tiple is. I don't know how I missed it, but thanks, Alice, for paving the way to knowledge. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:16 AM Welcome to anyone who's new. I joined in May, and feel like I've been here and known some of these folks forever. From what I've seen, the people who get the most frustrated are those who want to direct discussion in a certain direction and get fed up when others want to go somewhere else. Kind of like herding cats. There's room for everyone and for all degrees of involvement. I'm a table nut, so I did a table. If you have anything, I missed please let me know. If anyone thinks it's worth it, I can post it to the FAQ thread.
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:32 AM Geezuz Jeri...I'm impressed. Get in touch with Max and see about putting this thing up as a "Quick Link".............Well done Clamfoot, WELL DONE!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Peter T. Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:38 AM Jeri, this is totally hilarious. What you need to do is to turn it into one of those gross Web pages with multicoloured buttons beside important topics. My two cents: I think it was made fairly clear in the Elite Sessions thread that lots of people here hate all forms of exclusion. I hope we police ourselves pretty well towards inclusion -- I notice that all the regulars go out of their way to say hi to new people, and that when they carry on their injoke banter, that it is as far as I can tell, one on one. I always disliked folk music because I found it terribly cliquey -- which is why Mudcat has been so great for total outsiders like me -- I have learned a ton from almost everyone here, just by reading. The good thing about this format is that you can choose to contribute or not, and you can still benefit from the discussions as a listener, without everyone thinking you have nothing to say. One good thing about this form of communication is that if you are pretty shy, you can listen in without it looking as if you are listening in. This makes it easier for people to dive in when they choose, when they have something good to say, or just when they feel like it, without any social stigma. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:02 PM Well, Allan, the autoharp that hit my car is horribly out of tune now.... but that's nothing new (grin) -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Bert Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:20 PM Jeri, Send that to Max. I was supposed to be compiling such a beastie for him but haven't had time (too busy reading BS threads). Max will be delighted. Joe, I don't like cocktail parties either, but I find it different here. If I'm not in the mood to join in a particular conversation here, then I don't have to. I can browse the threads 'till I find one that suits my "mood of the day". I would say that the only problem I have with Mudcat is that I don't get time to READ IT ALL. Yes, there are times that I lurk in the Tavern and haven't a clue what the conversation is all about. But that doesn't seem to matter much 'cos thread creep is so accepted that you can say whatever you like and folks will respond or not as it pleases them. There really isn't any need for anyone to feel that we are a clique here. We don't exclude anyone. The only difference in treatment that a long time user gets is , they will receive more of those playful insults that you can only use if you've known someone a long time. We tend to be slighly kinder to newcomers. If you want to talk more about music, just go ahead, keep talking, someone will eventually pick up. The one thing I've found is that sometimes I say something that no one else is interested in. It used to bother me, but now I've realised that, it's nothing personal, just the way things are. So I don't let it bother me if I try to start a topic and no one is interested. So what, there's plenty of other discussions going on that I can join in if I choose. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:36 PM Damn Bert...that was really well stated! Glad you were able to locate your keyboard. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:37 PM Bert, I'll send it to Max, but I want to see if folks have other suggestions, and perhaps tweak it a bit more. I assume I could send it as an HTML attachment to a "submit content" e-mail? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Bert Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:42 PM 'Spaw, sometimes I have more lucid moments, usually after about my third cup of coffee. Jeri, an email attachment would be fine. Max will love it. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Neil Lowe Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:43 PM Jack (yclept Jack) and moonchild make salient points. I feel like this is Max's place and he is nice enough to let me wander in from time to time and post something. I try to be respectful of that privilege and conduct myself in a manner appropriate to societal expectations and cultural values, although I may not attain that goal occasionally. I often regret that I seldom post anything here remotely related to music - fact is, what I know about music could fit inside a thimble. I guess that makes me and my posts one of the bandwidth wasters. At the same time, I consider this a public forum, given that you don't have to be a member to post. So I feel free to submit whatever pops into my silly little head, whether it's related to music or not, as long as it's not done with the express purpose to intentionally offend, humiliate, malign, harass, or enrage any person, member or no, who happens to read it. I pays my money just like everyone else, after all. Until Max tells me I'm not welcome here anymore, I will continue to think out loud, so to speak, and throw onto this electronic scratchpad anything and everything (observing aforementioned protocol, of course)I feel like working out. Others are free to look over my shoulder and respond positively or negatively, if they deem it necessary; a kind word or constructive criticism is never unwelcome. Caveat Emptor: my posts seldom have anything to do with music. I forget how I originally came to find this place. But I like it here, and I may occasionally ask a music-related question or two. mis dos centavos tambien, Neil |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Sep 99 - 12:47 PM Yeah, Jeri - you can send it as an attachment. I'm sure Max's e-mail can handle anything. But I wanna see you set that thing up with BUTTONS. I've been looking at the source of a couple pages here, trying to figure out how Max makes buttons, but I haven't got it yet. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Peter T. Date: 20 Sep 99 - 01:11 PM Joe, you may not know this -- it is hard to imagine, but you can always shoot me down for naivete -- there are button sites on the Web (I don't have any URL's to hand) with all kinds of custom buttons. They are just images, and you tuck them into a blue clicky thing just as you would do with anything else that you click on and it sends you somewhere through a link. The original of the button image would have to be sent to Max for him to put on his server, so it would come up locally as opposed to the distance image retrieval that some people are using blue clicky things to send people to. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 01:19 PM BUTTONS??? What the hell is a button?...asked the Computer Illiterate.........Geez.......Once again I thought a button was something on my shirt (that I brushed off after eating a "cookie"). "Meg" was some girl who could, after a quick "unzip" do something about my "floppy." "Windows" were often covered in drapes to eliminate glare while I watched a TV "program." If I HAD a "download" it might "backup" my toilet. A shower was good to "refresh" me and "properties" were oddly associated with real estate. "Gig" was a job or a way to catch a frog and "links" referred to the golf course. It's no wonder I'm such an idiot.......here I was thinkin' all you could bank was money, sperm, or a billiards shot.....No memory bank at all. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 01:25 PM "Distance Image Retrieval"............I'd have figured that for going across the country to get a roll of film developed. Oh well.......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Sep 99 - 02:45 PM Peter, I'm guessing that Max makes his buttons with a few clever HTML commands - I don't think images are involved. But that is one facet of his wizardry I haven't figure out yet. Actually, I think I did figure it out onnce, but then I forgot how to do it. I'll betcha Jeri knows. She never forgets any of those HTML tricks. She puts me to shame. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: bbelle Date: 20 Sep 99 - 04:47 PM WyoWoman ... where were you that you paid $20 for a lid? On the east coast, we were paying $10. moonchild |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 20 Sep 99 - 05:02 PM Neil, I've never read anything of yours that I would consider a bandwidth waster and besides that, MAX SAID HE LIKES THE BS! Jeri, veddy, veddy nice. I would include the Music Therapy, and Vietnam songs threads, too. Uh, i hate to bring it up, but I didn't see anything about our beloved Cleigh under Mudcat FolkLore. Another thing it might be handy to add is a guide to FUA, that is Frequently Used Acronyms. katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Marion Date: 20 Sep 99 - 05:03 PM What I want to know is: what's a mudcat? And what is this animal's (or whatever it is) connection to folk and blues music? Marion |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Lonesome EJ Date: 20 Sep 99 - 05:04 PM Hey Wyo... if you've got a flashlight, a garbage bag, and enough nerve, I could point out this field just outside of town... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 06:19 PM If it works, this is a button, if not, oops:
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Sep 99 - 06:39 PM Not good enough, Jeri. You just copied Max's handywork. even I can do that... But I think in all that mess of HTML is a simple way to make a customized button. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that button is HTML, not an image. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: unclenort Date: 20 Sep 99 - 07:10 PM mudcat=catfish, an ugly bottom dwelling fresh water fish with wiskers that'll eat just about anything it can suck up out of the mud.(check out the fish jumpin' out of the 'jo at the top of this page.) not sure what it has to do with folk music though. and EJ if i find you in my field just one more time................ *BG* unclenort |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 20 Sep 99 - 07:48 PM My guess about the connotation, if I may be so bold as to try to extrapolate Max's intention from his creation is that "Mudcat Cafe" is intended to suggest an old blues bistro from the Mississippi Delta (notice that this is a center of "blues and folk music"--blues are your first love, Max?) Another connotation: mud refers to down home country, a "cat" is of course "hep' (now "hip"), which means possessed of not merely musical (and music society) knowledge but also of musical "soul," without which musicians are mere academicians, capable perhaps of technical achievement but incapable of expressing passion through music. And Jeri, how about these categories of threads: politics, who/what/why/when/where is a Mudcatter?, help us write a story, instrument information, pubs/jams/open mikes/concerts, tributes ("Doc Watson--an appreciation" etc. and obituaries). --seed |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 08:28 PM How's this:
The thing with the ordinary buttons, like "Submit Message" - I think they activate commands, and the commands have to be on the server someplace. Course, I'm just guessing. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 20 Sep 99 - 08:35 PM So how come your Bite Me didn't take me anywhere I could sink m'teeth into? Yer welcome, Jeri. I know there are other equally important threads. I've got a bunch of them saved in my WP program. I look them over in the next day or two and let you know what some of them are. One infamous one, which I am not sure you need to add, but which is a very intersting read if the one called Mudcat Is Closing Its Doors; came about just a few weeks before 'Spaw tried to check out instead. ttfn (i love that Moonchild!), kat |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 08:36 PM Aargh - back to the drawing board... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 09:12 PM Kat, the "Bite Me" one went to the Hamsterdance. I figured out part of what I did wrong, but if I try to post something like this again, I'll do so in the HTML practice thread.
In case anyone's wondering: |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 10:58 PM So a button is what?...the puter imbecile asked again. Is that the jizzwhickie that you clisk to get the quadraplotcher linerfracases with the things or what? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: WyoWoman Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:29 PM Exactly. And Moonchild, it was Oklahoma. University of Oklahoma, to be exact, year of our Lordy, Lordy, Lordy 1967-69. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:30 PM What a doofus! 'Spaw, everybody knows buttons are the doomaflages you click on to perform miscellaneous multidoodies. Like the frammises down under the "Reply to Thread" window thingie (where you type in what you want to post) that say "Submit Message" and "Clear Entries." I have "HTML For Dummies," and I will figure this out. I will. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 99 - 11:47 PM Thanks Clamfoot...I need "HTML for Complete Assholes" but I can't find a copy. Ya' know, it's kinda' funny, anymore around here folks seem to believe that whatever I post must be a joke or a sarcastic insult...which they feel is my way of saying I like them........I'm beginning to feel like Groucho did in his later years......If I don't make a snide crack, people are more offended than when I do!!! Oh well.........I'd say I made this bed, but I never make a bed....so I guess I'll go sleep on the shelf with Cleigh. Our bed is full anyway anymore....Karen, generally 3 cats, 1 or 2 kids and the stupid weimeraner. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Jeri Date: 21 Sep 99 - 01:01 AM Dear friend 'Spaw, I promise I won't get offended or take it personally when you want to be nice. The serious things you've written have been among my favorites. Kat, that "Mudcat Closing its Doors" thread was Max's little April Fool's prank, n'est çe pas? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 21 Sep 99 - 04:36 AM Yea, Jeri, it was. Also seed just mentioned another good one, "Is anyone else as scared as I am"; then there is always the infamous, newly refreshed, "Hokey-Pokey & the Druids?" Have fun, kat |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Peter T. Date: 21 Sep 99 - 10:37 AM Re: Buttons (bangles, beads...). Unless there has been substantive additions to the HTML language in the new version, I am reasonably sure that standard buttons for hyperlinking to another site or another page are simply GIF images stored on the localserver, and A HREF'd like everything else, but acting as a hypertext link. This is different from what are called "radio buttons" which are for interactive stuff, like when you are asked to send info or click a choice -- these are created by the FORM environment, which is used by doing the usual beginning double brackets, and the final double bracket slash around FORM, you start off with the FORM METHOD (what kind of activity you want to have happen) and inside all that tuck instructions what you would like the FORM to do (called an INPUT tag) -- one of the things that it can do is create radio buttons, checklist, reset buttons, text entry spaces (like this one here) and so on. This is all slightly more advanced HTML. The specific instructions are a bit too complicated to set out here. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 21 Sep 99 - 12:25 PM Yup, Peter, advanced and clear.....as mud!*BG* Jeri, another important one is Xenophobia, IMHO. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Susan-Marie Date: 21 Sep 99 - 12:37 PM A couple of people have mentioned the decrease in music threads, and I think I know one of the reasons: a lot of what I need to know is already covered by a past thread. More often than not over the past few months, instead of starting a new music thread, I've used the forum search to find the lyrics, translation, explanation, etc. I wanted. While very efficient, it leaves me feeling like I snuck into someone's house and stole their newspaper while they were watching TV. So, the Mudcat may be a victim of its past sucess in that it's harder and harder to come up with an original music thread. What the past threads miss, of course, is any input from new people. I resurrected an old "Coinleach Glas" thread last month and got some great additional info - maybe we need to do more of that. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Barbara Date: 21 Sep 99 - 12:46 PM Not too long ago we had a discussion about where the name Mudcat came from. (It's a Mississippi River catfish). Max cooked up the name to represent the Mississippi Delta Blues that this site was specializing in, and then he offered the Digital Tradition a place to set up the database after (was it Xerox?) disowned them.
Then Max started the forum and the rest is history.
There's a thread out there with some links to pictures of catfish as well as the standard response "Oh, that's a catfish jumping out of the banjo. I couldn't tell what it was." |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Sep 99 - 12:58 PM Yeah Barb, I had the same problem.....I was looking for that thread too but just gave up......If I find it later I'll post it...was kinda funny too as I recall. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: katlaughing Date: 19 Oct 99 - 08:19 PM Refresh for the newbies. Sorry the acronyms aren't on here. I thought this was the one that had them. Still lots of good stuff. Thanks, Alice for all of the good work. katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Alice Date: 03 Feb 00 - 01:58 PM For those newly arrived at the Mudcat Cafe forum (welcome) this thread and its links can give you a slice of what is good, bad, and controversial at the Mudcat.... enjoy. Alice |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Rick Fielding Date: 03 Feb 00 - 04:18 PM After a year and a few months here, my (probably useless) advice to anyone new, would be: enjoy the good, ignore the bad, and for goodness sake LAUGH at the controversial...99% of it is wholly fabricated. For what it's worth, I try to ignore, or attempt to diffuse with humour. ('course most of the time no one gets my jokes!) Rick |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Feb 00 - 12:26 PM refresh for the newest of newbies' nourishment |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Feb 00 - 12:39 PM Geez Praise....If this is considered "nourishment" there are gonna' be a lot of starving newbies.....this place is an empty skillet. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: GUEST,potential newbie Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:17 PM I have been cruising a bit, like what I see, and will simply choose to ignore what doesn't appeal to me. Seems fairly simple. It does appear to me that some of you folks need to go up a size or two in your underwear. Particularly this Gargoyle fella. Joe Offer a little as well, but from what I see he is a wonderful, contributing person. Seems like one of the best community's that I have found. Could someone tell me who "The Fair One" is and how she (I assume it is a "she") got her name? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:21 PM Join up and run a forum search under the name "Big Mick"....start at the beginning...you'll find it!!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: GUEST,FP Date: 27 Feb 00 - 10:53 AM Interesting that there haven't been too many GUESTS contributing to this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Ali_UK Date: 27 Feb 00 - 12:04 PM This thread would be the best example of "thread creep"that I've ever seen. *sigh* Back to getting my ocarina in tune and dusting off my reels, jigs and hornpipes for small, furry animals from the southern states. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: alison Date: 27 Feb 00 - 11:48 PM I am "the fair one" (I don't do it as multicoloured as Mick)......... it goes back a few years to a thread about "the Furies" slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: GUEST Date: 27 Feb 00 - 11:52 PM so helpful, thanks all of you... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: rangeroger Date: 28 Feb 00 - 12:03 AM Notes from a newbie. I found this forum a few months back while looking for the chords to "The Great Mandala". Bookmarked it immediately.The past few days I went through "duct tape","cat farts","my bhodran is too thight" and now this thread. I love it! If I need serious discussion about music I know I can find it.In the meantime I'll continue to follow wherever the thread leads. Thank you all. rangeroger |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Amos Date: 28 Feb 00 - 12:54 AM Glad to have you around rangeroger... |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: GUEST Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:42 AM This is better than a user's guide! Who are all these people? |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: alison Date: 28 Feb 00 - 01:49 AM Guest go to the top of the page choose "quick links" and go to "Bbc's mudcat resources" you'll find photos, info etc on many of the people you see mentioned and posting here. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Jul 00 - 07:25 PM Refresh for those on the Acronym thread Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: rangeroger Date: 25 Feb 01 - 10:52 PM Anniversary refresh.This thread was the cause of my first "official" post to the Mudcat. rr |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Nov 01 - 11:35 PM |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: rangeroger Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:40 AM John in Hull, be sure to read those threads I mentioned in my post of 25 Feb, 00. rr |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 17 Nov 01 - 12:48 AM I already did! Cheers anyway.john |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Feb 02 - 09:39 AM Refresh for greg stephens Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: GUEST Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:58 PM Things that stink should remain buried.
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Mr Red Date: 24 Feb 02 - 06:58 AM What about people who speak to one person as if they are responding to a thread. AR maybe, scores to settle perhaps, using "us" for sure but generally waste our thinking efforts when we don't have the clues to their hidden agenda? Might I respectfully suggest the term Agenda Vendor these things being what they are I'm sure if there is a need for the title it will fall to the community that is "the 'cat" to evolve one anyway. Yes! It is an issue with me currently. (don't want any hidden agendas from Mr Open-red-handed-tactics do we?) |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: CarolC Date: 24 Feb 02 - 07:46 AM Cool. Here's a couple of new ones from the last year and a half that still come up from time to time...
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: Mr Red Date: 24 Feb 02 - 11:12 AM Eureka I HAV it - Hidden Agenda Vendor - its a HAV!!! No names - no pack drill. I would like to think I can rise above the slings and arrows of outrageuos ego. Well almost. Mutter mutter mutterer sobintobeerer. |
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Subject: RE: Mudcat jargon and 'inside' jokes From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 06 Sep 03 - 04:31 AM freshie freshie! |
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