BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 02:31 PM

Please congratulate me on my restraint for not having said "100." ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Charmion
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:25 PM

Last time I looked, they had yet to lay any charges against the Vancouver rioters. Even the ones with "I did it!" photos on Facebook.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:30 PM

JtS, I do congratulate you on your restraint. It must have been difficult not to mention it at all. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 03:50 PM

"Hockey goons, on or off the ice, don't give a rats ass about politics.

That makes sense - but were the rioters all Hockey goons, or were there other people, maybe pissed off for different reasons, joining in? It didn't look like the normal sports riot of hooligans from different camps ganging up on each other, more like people joining in because they saw a chance for a riot.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:03 PM

MacGrath, There have been several such riots in recent Canadian history. This is the first time I have heard that question posed.

Yes Ebbie. I am exceedingly proud of myself. :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:07 PM

Heres-a-list-of-significant-hockey-riots-in-Canada

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM

I just don't understand the connection McGrath. Surely if Canucks had been that pissed iff about the election it would have come sooner. Canucks who are pissed off are not known for their patience.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

Hehehehee... Canucks many descended from Celtic and French stock so there is yer impatience factor.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: meself
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 12:38 AM

Nothing political about it, and nothing deep - just a bunch of young men (mostly) who had been drinking all day acting like idiots. Happens all the time, on a smaller scale - this time, they felt even less inhibited than usual because they knew that the cops wouldn't be able to get to them through the enormous crowds of, um, 'concerned citizens' and cell-phone paparozzi (sp.?).

Not much to do with sports either, other than that the rioters were Canuck fans, protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and their team lost - that may have been something of a catalyst, but the riot was not a response to the loss, it was just the aggressive energy of young males escaping for a few hours from the usual social restraints.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 07:46 AM

That's a major element in all riots and insurrections.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 08:43 AM

Olddude I can imagine how you must have felt having that happen to your little girl. I remember at the time wishing that our games were more family orientated like in the US. Probably if the football grounds had been more comfortable and more restrictions on alcohol it might have made a difference instead of being herded into our opposing separate stands. Things have improved now because we have learnt from the US that it is much better to be able to watch a game that the whole family can watch. It is a shame that Manchester United player Wayne Rooney had to spoil it with bad language on the pitch not long ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 10:11 AM

If there was a riot in say, Boston, would we blame it on Canadians?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 10:45 AM

Maybe somebody has already done this in this long thread, but if not, I would like to point out that 'Americanism' is a word that's been around a long time, and it means 'being proud of America, or of being an American.'

Nowadays, we tend to frown on it, regarding it as a form a chauvinism. But sometimes, when I see the kindness or the courage of Americans around me, I'm proud to be American myself.

For example, when the tornado destroyed the hospital in Joplin, Missouri, the staff showed real heroism in saving the patients. (I bet that never made the British press.)

However that may be, Americanism is not what Mrzzy seemed to think, which is 'being a drunken thug.'

By the way, isn't it odd that the British use an Irish name (hooligan) for its home-grown louts?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 11:41 AM

Yes, it's me again.

And for all the anti-religious and the anti-catholics out there, that hospital is run by the Sisters of Mercy.
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As a sign of grit and resilience, St. John's one week later erected a tent field hospital — dubbed "Mercy M*A*S*H" by staff.

Sisters of Mercy officials have vowed to build a new hospital over the next 2½ years, though likely not on the site of the old. They promise a smaller, 150-bed facility before that.

All hospital employees are receiving their regular pay. Those who aren't needed at the field hospital are being placed at Mercy-affiliated hospitals or others as part of a "talent sharing" program.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 01:11 PM

I can never understand how we can be "proud" of anything we haven't done ourselves.

I can quite imagine how people can be "glad to be" some nationality, or even "proud of" some people with that shared nationality who have done something fine - but "proud to be" seems inappropriate somehow.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 03:17 PM

Americans are not the only people who step up in time of disaster. There have been plenty of recent examples of that in Japan and elsewhere. Maybe you need to talk about humanism.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jun 11 - 07:40 PM

McGrath, I'm with you on this.Whenever I see one of those bumper stickers, Proud to be American, I want to ask "Why"?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 05:17 AM

Kissing couple.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:35 AM

The relevant question for anyone shouldn't be whether they are proud to be Americans (or whatever) but whether other Americans can be proud of them being Americans (or whatever) - or might possibly be ashamed.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:55 AM

I'm proud of sharing the culture which did NOT say:

The Storm God is furious! Let's sacrifice a virgin, preferably from a minority group.

Nothing to do with me, mate, you can find me in the basement, if you can get there.

Let me cast your horoscope and get back to you.

It's fate. There's no point in struggling against fate.

There's only one thing I care about here: my own domain.

When ya get right down to it, can I be sure that this baby is actually mine?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 04:06 PM

Methinks McGrath has the truth of the matter.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 04:42 PM

I think it is the whole "American Exceptionalism" Thing that needs a little rethinking. Since when has humility stopped being a virtue? We need more John Wayne and less Donald Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:38 PM

"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."

.... quote from John Wayne


biLL   ;_)

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 09:14 PM

That's still better than y'fiyad.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: number 6
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:31 PM

well ....y'fiyad .... you can reply "take the damn job and shove it" ... and go out and get another job.

but

for those down on the rez and hearing some dumb assed 2 bit phoney cowboy Hollywood actor making a quote like that .... I'd be pizzed right off ... that would be enough for me to want to start a rebellion.

all in all ... the world could do better without the likes of Wayne and Trump.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 11:57 PM

I was more referring to the persona of Wayne that made him a hero not the real person in interviews, As opposed to the the persona of Donald Trump which is an asshole in the same way that Donald Trump the person is an asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Americanism Spread THIS far?
From: number 6
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 12:21 AM

""Out here, due process is a bullet."

.... John Wayne the actor, playing Col. Mike Kirby in the Green Berets

YIKES !!!

biLL   ... :-)