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gnu 29 Jun 11 - 02:12 PM
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Jack the Sailor 29 Jun 11 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,Doc John 29 Jun 11 - 05:57 AM
GUEST,Steamin' Willie 29 Jun 11 - 05:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:12 PM

Murray is peaking at the very best time... Nadal is gonna be tough and I will be glued to the TV if we get to see it here.

Djokovic and Murray in the final I assume... well, hope.


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Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:52 PM

Well you made the comments JTS and I agree. That is why I asked. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't :-) You can't have it all ways JtS.

Great win today for Tsong.

Great win for Murray (slaughtered his oponnent again)


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Subject: RE: Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:08 PM

Hmmmmm, My suggestion seems to have created a monster, unreadable thread.

I perhaps should have been more detailed in my critique. What I found redundant was the starting of a new thread simply to report one or two matches at Wimbledon.   

I also thought that the lack of discussion on these threads was telling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:57 AM

Willie, are you saying you turn the sound up to listen to these young ladies grunting, watch them take a break to wipe the sweat of their bodies and then requset new balls ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:47 AM

Arthur itis.. You turned down the sound so you couldn't hear her grunting?

Must be a sign of old age.

Me? I turn the sound up.... (Get me coat etc)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:15 AM

Joe - going forward, could you combine all the inevitable multiplicity of 'US Presidential Election' threads into one thread please. Then we only have one thread to avoid like the plague, instead of dozens.
    Well, I try to keep things to one current thread on any given topic, without being overly restrictive. It's hard for people to talk about Sarah Palin and Barack Obama in one thread..
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:03 AM

At the request of Arthur_itis, I combined all the Wimbledon messages to avoid duplication.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:32 PM

How can it be cheating when they all do it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:27 PM

Yes I know Gnu, but it sounds more like somebody having an orgasm. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:15 PM

Yeah but she's on fire... too soon to peak maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:19 PM

Most chimpanzees would agree that vigorous grunting is advantageous when engaging in physical exploits such as tennis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:53 AM

"Canadian {noun} - Unarmed American with healthcare."

LOL!!!!! Not bad. We also know how to pronounce "nuclear" (new-clear) and we don't say "aaaooooowwwtttt", we say "out".


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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:48 AM

Enjoyed the match between Lisicki vs Bartoli. Bartoli ran out of steam in the third set.

Sharapova playing now and I am so fed up of her squeeling every time she plays a shot. Turned it off until she has finished.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:32 AM

:-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:16 AM

Oops! Silly old bugger - forgot the quote! Here:-

"You are starting too many Wimbledon threads. That is just my opinion of course."


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:14 AM

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Don't worry Jack, you lot will more than make up for it with hundreds of 'US Presidential Election-Bollocks' threads over the next 18 months or so.

Your OTT election shenannigans piss us off even more than Wimbledon pisses you off. :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:11 AM

Hello Sailor!

You tried educating us about strategy a bit earlier on, and then you say you can't handle cricket for more than 2 hours.

Says it all really. (I was too old to learn your "great game" whilst I was still on the tit. Anyway, George III was a great King, for your lot at any rate. If he hadn't been two coronets short of a coronation, the New World County Council would still be applying to London to sort out planning disputes.

Oh, I saw a T shirt in Vancouver the other year that sums up the difference between Canadians and USA citizens rather well. Canadian {noun} Unarmed American with healthcare.

Anyway, I suppose interest in Wimbledon on the other side of the pond has gone away for another year. All the women quarter finalists are European.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:04 AM

Watch out for those English rugby girls, Jack! They will kick yer little ass right back to Newfoundland... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:42 AM

"Actually I didn't mean you BWM as you'd made you position clear in a previous post. I was, however making an appalling generalisation about my fellow countrymen in order to reassure Ebbie.

Tennis, like golf is a unremittingly boring sport. Give me football (the real one not the American one) any day of the week. And Formula 1. And whelk tickling."


Thanks SJ, appreciate that.
I do agree with your second paragraph - golf is a fat old man's pastime masquerading as 'sport'. It's makes me cringe to see kids with golf bags - they should be playing football and cricket, or rowing, and they should leave the golf until they're too old and shagged out to do anything else. I love F1 too, and whelks are to die for (as food, that is - never tried tickling the little buggers!). :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:18 AM

Post's from my previous threads. So do not need the elves to merge those threads. They can be deleted.

Subject: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:26 AM

Well that was a nice turn up for the books.

Well done Marion.
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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Blimey, the other williams goes out as well. Well done Pironkova.

Subject: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:21 AM

What a great performance from Andy Murray. Through to the quarter final. He bowed to the love couple.
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Sugarfoot Jack - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:53 AM

The love couple? Were Cameron and Cleggy in the crowd?
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 10:59 AM

LOL
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Acorn4 - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:25 AM

You get the feeling that he could do it if things go right and he can avoid the ghost of Tim Henman!
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Good Soldier Schweik - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

e wont be god enough on his second serve to win wimbledon, my money is on djokovic
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Subject: RE: BS: Murray the master blaster Wimbledon UK
From: Good Soldier Schweik - PM
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 12:52 PM

above should read he wont be good enough

Subject: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 03:26 PM

I have felt for quite some time that there are not any characters anymore in tennis. Everything is so serious.

So today I watched the Baghdatis v Djokovic third round match.

How bloody refreshing to see a character in the game. Baghdatis fought like a dog but smiled and showed he was enjoying himself.

He lost in the end, but he had all the crowd behind him.

Such a refreshing change to watching such boring people like Murray (even though he is an excellent player and I hope he wins the competition).

It would be lovely if we could see a few players coming through with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi and people like them.

That was the first match so far where I have thoroughly enjoyed the match.

Great stuff.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Wolfhound person - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 04:11 PM

And tennis makes such a change from damn team games.
But I agree about the nonentities.

Paws

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse - PM
Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:49 PM

I agree that some humour is good, Arther, but for me entertainment in tennis comes mainly from good rallies/shotmaking, and the good scoring system itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Doug Chadwick - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:02 AM

…….with character and crowd pleasers like Connors, McEnroe, Nastasi…….

I would leave McEnroe out of that list. He was just a spoilt brat. And if you think today's players are boring, just listen to John McEnroe in the commentary box. I can feel a yawn coming on just thinking about him.


DC
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:24 AM

LOL Yes I suppose you are right about that Doug. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MtheGM - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 06:38 AM

Agreed re McEnroe, Doug [& see above for my views on the facetiously fatuous Nastase]. Johnny Mack WILL talk on into the rally; he appears to suffer from the delusion that we have all switched on for the express purpose of listening to him talk... & this has had the baLEFUL EFFECT OF INFLUENCING SOME OTHERS WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER ~~ BOTH BECKER & HENMAN TEND TO FORGET TO STOP WITTERING WHEN PLAY RECOMMENCES; A TREND, I REPEAT, STARTED BY McE.

apologies for caps-lock. Lousy typing, not shouting!

~M~
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: GUEST,Jim McLean - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 07:11 AM

Writing in Saturday's Guardian, Simon Hoggart asks "Why don't we love Andy Murray?" He continues that Murray doesn't realise sport is show business and that he should smile at the audience when they "whoop" as he changes his shirt. I don't know who Hoggart thinks "we" are when making such an arrogant, presumptuous statement, Guardian readers? English Guardian readers? Those who shout "Tim" when he's playing? David Haye, the London professional boxer is a friend of Murray's, should probably pay Hoggart a house call.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: WalkaboutsVerse - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

Important to note that McEnroe's antics were right in front of ballKIDS.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 02:38 PM

True. They probably went home and tried it on their parents.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: MikeL2 - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 03:28 PM

Hi Arthur

As a sports enthusiast I like most sporting occasions.

While tennis was not one of the sports that I played much I do enjoy to see the top people play and show off their skills.

I enjoyed Baghdatis too. He made a good match entertaining with resorting to the antics as discussed bt Michael above.

I admire Federer with his great skills and almost laid back attitude. In contrast Nadal's physical approach has me sometimes in awe.

There have been some excellent women's tennis this time with the matches being much more closely contested than years ago.

You know that if you don't like something.....it's easy just switch it off and do something else....

Cheers

MikeL2
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: pdq - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 04:37 PM

Baghdatis sounds like a disease if the male genitalia.
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Subject: RE: BS: Tennis Wimbledon Baghdatis refreshing
From: Arthur_itus - PM
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 05:32 PM

I have never played Tennis Mike, but I love watching it and understand the rules.

pdq LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Will Fly en vacances à Arcachon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 09:09 AM

Canal+ prefers to cover matches with French players in them. They must have enjoyed Gasquet being beaten by Murray yesterday...

Vive les Rosbifs!


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Subject: BS: Tennis Wimbledon 2011 UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:58 AM

This thread is for tennis fans to post on, concerning anything about Wimbledon Tennis. If you dpon't like tennis, please don't bother to post on this thread.

If the Mudcat Mods could move my previous threads to this one, It would be most appreciated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:39 AM

Wimbledon more than half over! Better!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:49 AM

Dwile flonking rule OK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Stu
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:43 AM

"That's to say, you're wrong in my case - if you actually knew me, and my background, you'd realise how wrong you are, Jack. :-) :-)"

Actually I didn't mean you BWM as you'd made you position clear in a previous post. I was, however making an appalling generalisation about my fellow countrymen in order to reassure Ebbie.

Tennis, like golf is a unremittingly boring sport. Give me football (the real one not the American one) any day of the week. And Formula 1. And whelk tickling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:41 AM

What are you talking aboot?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:36 AM

">>whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.<<

Note that I was born and raised nominally in Canada."


Amounts to the same thing. You're heavily influenced by the USA and its culture - hell, you even talk like 'Murricans! :-) :-)

Bound to happen when you're next-door neighbours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:32 AM

Its one of the few annual events you can describe in one word. With Carnival you have to say the city. Even "The Masters" is two words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 06:29 AM

cricket (the king of team sports)
Not all kings are worth your time.
Like George III or Louis Quatorze?
I find Cricket matches much to long to hold my attention, 2 or three hours at a time is my max.

>>whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.<<


Note that I was born and raised nominally in Canada.
I saw my first NFL Game In University when I was 17 or 18 years old. You are never too old to learn this great game. On the other hand if the lockout happens this year I may get pissed off and stop watching the sport altogether like I did with Major League Baseball.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:38 AM

The truth is that, whatever our nationality, we're comfortable with the sports that are traditional to our home nation, that we're brought up with, and learn to play right through childhood and school years. So Brits (as a general rule) prefer football ('soccer' in Americanese), rugby (both codes, just as good as each other but in different ways) and cricket (the king of team sports), whilst 'Murricans are more likely to prefer baseball and American football. Nothing to do with 'this or that is best', all to do with what we're accustomed to.

It's natural to feel that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:25 AM

As a matter of world importance, ALL sport is insignificant.
Cease spending money on sport, make it all amateur, and give the money saved, to your grateful government.
Then they can spend it on important things, like subjugating other countries, stealing their oil, and forcing an un-natural (to them) way of running those countries.
YAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY Let's hear it for forced democracy and shock and awe.
Oh and I forgot, they can use it to buy elections at home too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 04:20 AM

LOL RD


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Subject: RE: BS: Bartoli beating Williams Wimbledon UK
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:45 AM

Thank goodness we've established that it's Wimbledon UK, and not Wimbledon Venezuela.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:27 AM

Hello sailor!

You are right, keep saying something and people may just believe it.

Hold that thought.

I have a passion akin to religion for football, or at least the irrational side of me comes out when I am on the kop at Hillsborough.

Football and cricket, I wonder why I enjoy them? Must be the strategy I suppose....

I was invited to an American football game by a colleague once when we were working in Chicago. To be honest, his having to explain so much as it went on would be no different to me taking him to a cricket match, except my attention span is better than Brads


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 03:19 AM

Whether it is better for the fans is hard to say. I would say that depends upon the fan.

I guess that is a point we can agree on...


But I also like to watch soccer, especially the way the Brazilians play it. On the other hand, I would rather watch paint dry than the Germans play soccer.

I actually found Germany quite entertaining during the last World Cup and I don't remember being that impressed with Brazil that time round but yes I know what you mean. My own football watching memories go back to 1970 and the Brazilian World Cup side. You can imagine who us (UK) kids wanted to play like...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:59 AM

They don't discuss it except on a playground. In organized football from peewee to pro. It is the chess game that Gnu was talking about. There are literally hundred of different offensive options on each play, dozens of ways to defend. Coaches call the offensive plays (sometimes, but rarely quarterback call plays or change them in the huddle depending on defensive formation). Defensive coaches try to put the right players on the team to counter the offense they see. Then the players skills are put to the test. There is a few seconds of furious action and they set up to do it again.

The contest between the linemen on each team alone is far more complex than any other team sport I can think of. And it is not just a chess game. It is a poker game too. While there are feints and dekes of one sort or another in Cricket, rugby and Soccer, it is all on the individual level. In football there are bluffs, feints and tricks at every position and all over the field carried out on a tactical and strategic level on at least 1/4 of the plays. There is no way they could talk this out and discuss this strategy in 25 seconds in college or 45 seconds in the NFL, the time that they have from the time the ball is set to when they have to snap the ball to start the next play.

You may have gathered that I was kidding about cricket, rugby and soccer, in my previous posts, just goofing around really. I amused myself. But I have been taught how to play cricket and have played rugby, soccer,ice hockey and North American Football. Football is way more complex. Whether it is better for the fans is hard to say. I would say that depends upon the fan. I like the speed of Hockey and the complexity of Football. But I also like to watch soccer, especially the way the Brazilians play it. On the other hand, I would rather watch paint dry than the Germans play soccer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:27 AM

The only strategy in "football" when to take a dive!!

Whatever...

    Football Strategy


That doesn't explain why they seem to need to stop and discuss it so often or why it seems to be so convoluted that so many changes in personnel can be needed for each play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:17 AM

Football Strategy


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:14 AM

The only strategy in "football" when to take a dive!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:10 AM

???


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:08 AM

If one could adopt the American Football way, I guess for example when the new ball is taken, the batting side could discuss what they are to do, substitute the existing batsmen for specialist openers best suited for the bombardment of fast bowling... And the player selected purely for his bowling skills need never bat, etc.?

If you did that you would see the best against the best. But it still would be just a big flat easy to swing stick and a little easy to hit ball that they have to bounce off the ground. Easy Peasy. OOOOH he can Spin the BALL before he bounces on the dirt!! Whoopeee! Can he throw a perfect spiral 70 yards into the hand of his receiver while avoiding the greedy hands of double coverage, I think not.

And it is not as if soccer players STAY in those formations. They run around like ants on a hill trying to get open. But even then, they pace themselves, making the game even less organized and more boring because they have to stay out there for a whole game. I'd rather see someone go full out for a few seconds at a time then "pace himself" for more than an hour.

And don't talk about formations. Football formations have so many rules and permutations that College graduates have failed in the NFL because they were not able to learn the playbook. It ain't like that in Soccer where the whole playbook is run up and down the field, try to find the open man and by head or foot try to put it in the net.

Oh yeah, and if someones feet comes near yours fall to the grass and cry like a baby! The only strategy is "football" when to take a dive!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:21 AM

trying Cricket link again


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:19 AM

And Jack, how would you set the field in cricket?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:15 AM

Have little stick on three larger sticks. Try to knock the little stick off the big ones while some goombah tries to whack that ball so that he can run like crazy between the sticks. The only choices being where to stand on the field and how hard to whack the ball. Strategy right?

How's about there being fast bowlers, spin bowlers, specialist batsmen, even specialist fielders.

If one could adopt the American Football way, I guess for example when the new ball is taken, the batting side could discuss what they are to do, substitute the existing batsmen for specialist openers best suited for the bombardment of fast bowling... And the player selected purely for his bowling skills need never bat, etc.?

No thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, I know, strategy, run around like crazy, kick the ball to the open man, try to kick it in the net. Strategy right?

And which formation might you be adopting, Jack...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 01:07 AM

Yeah, I know, strategy, run around like crazy, kick the ball to the open man, try to kick it in the net. Strategy right?

Have a whole bunch of men hug each other, toss the ball in, try to get it out to the open man who runs like crazy, trying to toss it to the open man if he gets tackled. Strategy right?

Have little stick on three larger sticks. Try to knock the little stick off the big ones while some goombah tries to whack that ball so that he can run like crazy between the sticks. The only choices being where to stand on the field and how hard to whack the ball. Strategy right?

My two favorites spectator sports, Ice Hockey and North American Football employ lots of substitutions, which makes for better action. and lots of strategy. If I want to watch an endurance test, I'll watch a marathon, or the FANs at a cricket match.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:21 AM

It's not that with me Jack. It's taking time out at regular intervals to discuss it during the game and the changing of so many players to carry out the move.

Of course if I had my own way in any team game, once on the field, the players are on their own to get on with the game and the only reason for substitution would be injury...


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:37 PM

It's clear that many Brits prefer games sans strategy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wimbledon nearly half over - good!!!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:05 PM

CERTAINLY involves the fans FAR more than rugby.

Sends me to sleep. And I'm afraid putting any 11 of (apparently) up to 53 players on for a play and taking what seems to be ages to discuss tactics for the play is not my idea of a game,


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