BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?

Subject: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 02:41 PM

PHOENIX, July 16 (UPI) -- Police in Phoenix say an airline passenger will face sexual abuse charges for allegedly groping a Transportation Security Administration security agent.

Yukari Miyamae, 61, of Longmont, Colo., was freed from jail Friday after she allegedly grabbed a female agent's breasts at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport the previous day.

Miyamae faces a felony charge. Details of the incident were not immediately available.

One of Miyamae's neighbors told KWGN-TV in Denver he was shocked at her arrest and said she was a frequent flyer who traveled every week."

See it here (the story-not the groping):   http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/woman-arrested-for-groping-tsa-agent-07152011


My Comment--Just another case of TIT FOR TAT (Tit for Tit?)

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: michaelr
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 03:12 PM

A frequent flyer, she was probably so sick of patdowns she snapped.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 04:46 PM

Just got back from reading related stories of people stripping down to bare essentials before going through Security- this may be the wave of the future. Can mandatory paper gowns be far behind?

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:01 PM

I flew a lot in the few years after Sept 11, 2001. I was inconvenienced many times, humiliated a couple of times. I realized that the terrorists had changed the rules. I realized that the TSA would have huge growing pains. If you don't like it, don't fly. I don't know why this is news. I don't know why the TSA is everybody's whipping boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:31 PM

I think it's time we all started avoiding planes as much as possible and taking trains instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 05:33 PM

"I don't know why this is news." Man bites dog.

"I don't know why the TSA is everybody's whipping boy." Might maybe be the over-zealousness with which TSAers often do their thing, even if only half the reported incidents are true.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 07:51 PM

There are places even in the US where travel virtually demands flight. In southeastern Alaska, the only alternative is by sea, usually on the state ferry system.

A ferry to Bellingham (an additional 30 minutes from Seattle)takes three plus DAYS. Versus two and a half HOURS.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 08:58 PM

Hi Ebbie--

When you say an additional 30 minutes from Seattle, do you mean by air?

My sister lives in Bellingham; her bay window looks into the Ferry Terminal, less than a mile away. She tells me there is no ferry to/from Bellingham/Seattle. As the freeway is a good 1-1/2 hour drive, it seems that even if there were a ferry, it would take quite a bit longer than the 90 minute drive.

BTW, if I could get my wife to leave SoCal, I'd like to live in B'ham.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 10:19 PM

Bellingham, from the couple of times I have visited it, is a neat town. Ocean side, working people, mild climate, lots of fruit, good restaurants, rustic buildings. I have friends who live there and can't imagine themselves living elsewhere.

I was wrong about the 30 minutes. I simply forgot. Back when Seattle indicated that it was not interested in upgrading the Alaska ferry facilities and Bellingham stepped up to the plate I seemed to remember they said it would be a 30-minute bus ride from Seattle to B'ham.

Then one time I took the ferry from Juneau to Bellingham and then caught Amtrak to Salem, Oregon and found it took a good deal longer than 30-minutes. According to Google it is 90 miles.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 08:48 AM

TSA says 3% are searched

It seemed like 5-10 % when I traveled right after 9/11, constant reports of silly little incidents like this woman, and Donald Rumsfeld being searched help no one. Late night comedians are just helping the terrorists inconvenience us. Would you rather be inconvenienced or have your plane blow out of the sky? We know why they are checking our shoes. We know why they limit liquids to 3 ounces. Keep in mind that TSA workers are American people doing an important job, apparently with no thanks for every day we stay safe but with heaps of ridicule for each and every lapse. Are we going to complain and ridicule until security is relaxed and a planeload of people die?

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: artbrooks
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 09:39 AM

I have been searched once, with an emphasis upon my not-inconsiderable belly. The TSA person was entirely impersonal and respectful. Afterwards, he thanked me and I thanked him.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:12 PM

I hold no brief for Alaska's 'Uncle Ted', the late Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, but once I was in line behind him going through security.

He took off his shoes (expensive ones, I might add), laid them in the tub and then padded through the entry in his stocking feet just like everyone else.

I had two thoughts:
#1: It was decent of him to make no fuss.
#2: Who in this green world would think Ted Stevens could be a threat?

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:18 PM

I think the reason that Rumsfeld and little old ladies and maybe Ted Stevens get searched is that they have a randomizer that pops up every now and then and tells them the search the person at a given point in the queue. I think that is very good. It keeps the bad guys from recruiting little old ladies or Old Gentlemen or putting bombs in diapers.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:27 PM

One trusts the security people are as diligent with airline employees and each other. I don't mind setting off the bells and whistles when I go thru the thingy, but getting tapped in the nuts with a hand-held scanner really pisses me off. I did complain once about that to the HHWWIC and I received an apology. I guess they gotta do the searches, but as Jim said, I'd rather take a train.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Gurney
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 03:30 AM

Like Ebbie, I'm expecting the paper overalls soon. I also expect to be parted from cabin bags, and that the plane will tow a glider with all the luggage aboard, the cockpit will be separated from the passenger compartment, and the communications will be one-way only, from pilots TO passengers.
Oh, and radio interference built into the body so that there really IS no way that the pilots can be pressured.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:32 AM

Gurney, what excellent ideas. If I may ride your coat tails, I'd suggest that the wings have a "drop off" capability. Pilot pushes a button and boom, the wings fall off. No wings and the plane ain't gonna fly. Hijackers would be stuck up there. I'm sure Barney Fife would have approved.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:53 AM

Nip it in the bud!

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 11:38 AM

Great idea, especially if over a large body of water. The plane would instantly become a submarine.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 11:53 AM

During WWII, the big one, wood gliders took infantry troops into battle. They had among the highest casualty rates, landing, as they often did, in rugged, wooded terrain. But they ought to float in the ocean...maybe long enough for a rescue. An idea worth pausing over.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:10 AM

Turnabout is Fair Play. Turnaround is what politicians do. (Flip-flop play).

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:19 AM

I gotta urge to tap Murdoch's phone...kill whistle blowers and pay hush money arrrrrrgh*snap*

I'm better now.

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Midchuck
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 11:32 AM

There are places even in the US where travel virtually demands flight. In southeastern Alaska...

That's quite true, and quite beside the point. The point is that there are a lot more places where it doesn't.

If we hadn't let our passenger rail system go to Hell, and spent all the money on underwriting air travel, any overland journey within the US could probably be made at a great deal less cost in energy use and pollution, and if it was less than 1000 miles, probably without much more time being taken up than one now uses in getting to the airport, going through security, waiting for the pilots to finish their lunch, waiting in line with the other planes to take off, actual takeoff and landing, and getting from the airport to one's actual destination...

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Turnaround is Fair Play?
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 12:57 PM

A rail journey - assuming the U.S. still had rail transport- woild likely take considerably LESS time.

You ever heard of a train being stranded on the runway for 8 hours?