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Neil Gows Lament to..

The Maverick 25 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM
Phil Cooper 25 Jul 11 - 03:44 PM
The Maverick 25 Jul 11 - 03:54 PM
Phil Cooper 25 Jul 11 - 05:55 PM
GUEST,leeneia 25 Jul 11 - 06:13 PM
Phil Cooper 25 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM
GUEST,leeneia 25 Jul 11 - 10:38 PM
Jim McLean 26 Jul 11 - 05:34 AM
Will Fly 26 Jul 11 - 06:12 AM
GUEST,leeneia 26 Jul 11 - 08:46 AM
GUEST,leeneia 26 Jul 11 - 03:19 PM
The Maverick 26 Jul 11 - 03:21 PM
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Subject: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: The Maverick
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 03:36 PM

Can anyone ehlp with the guitar chords to accompnay a fiddle on 'Neil Gows Lament to the Death of his second Wife'? We're following Dougie Macleans version which I think is in D with the first note an A, but we are both beginners at this.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 03:44 PM

You can get away with D, G, and A for chords. You can possibly throw in a Bm. The end of the A part, where the note is held (a D, I believe), you can play a G chord and have it sound great. I'm not up enough on ABC notation systems to be of better help to you, at this stage. If I were talking to you in person, I could show you where I think the chords should go. I hope someone else can be of better help.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: The Maverick
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 03:54 PM

I was hoping I could get away with the D,G and A, not sure where the Bm is in DADGAD, but will look it up. Hopefully someone can help with the chord progression.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 05:55 PM

I play the melody in DADGAD, myself. And don't use the Bm for it. But, when you're playing the melody, you don't necessarily have to worry about chords. For your general information you can finger a Bm in DADGAD on the low register just fingering the A string at the second fret, the D and G strings at the fourth fret, and don't play the higher A string. Or higher register do the D and G strings at the fourth fret and the higher A string at the second fret (then don't play the low D or A). A partial Bm can be done fingering the low A at the second fret and playing the high D string (just those two strings). Hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:13 PM

Hi, Maverick. I've been wanting to play this myself, so I found the sheet music on this page:

http://tonyupton.tripod.com/gow/NielGowsLament.png

If you don't count the pickup notes, the song has 20 measures. These are some reasonable chords for those 20. Most measures have two chords, thus:

1. D D
2 A Bm
3. D A
4. D Bm
5. D D
6. A D
7. D Bm
8. D D
9 D A
10. Bm Em
11 A D
12 BM
13 D A
14 BM EM
15 D EM
16. A A?
17 D D
18 A D
19 D BM
20 BM BM

This is for conventional tuning, EADGBE.

A number of measures have pick-up notes at the end, and no chord goes with them, because they are usually skittering up the scale. The best thing to do with them is to allow the accompaniment to die tactfully away towards the end of the measure.

PS Apparently it's Niel, not Neil.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:35 PM

Well done, Leeneia!


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 10:38 PM

Why, thank you, Phil.

Maverick, if this is too low, there's device on the net somewhere (two circles of pastoboard) which changes the chords to a new key.

I hope someone here can provide its URL.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Jim McLean
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:34 AM

The device you mentioned, Leeneia, is called the Tabby Cat, found here: Tabby Cat
I hope this is what you meant.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Will Fly
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 06:12 AM

The "Tabby Cat" wheel is one of a number of graphic devices for key transposition. Here's one from my own website:

Transposition chart

Looks complicated? Not really.

1. Say you're playing in the key of C - the scale of C runs along the top and bottom rows of the chart.

2. Say you're playing the sequence C-Am-F-G

3. Say you want the equivalent chords in the key of A

4. Go to the C row, find the chords in that line, then run your finger down or up the rows to find the equivalent in the A row.

5. C is A; Em is F#m; F is D; G is E

Better than any chart - just learn the relationships between chords and transposing in your head becomes automatic...


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 08:46 AM

Thanks, Will. I'm adding these to my favorites.

Meanwhile, where art thou, Maverick?


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:19 PM

I think some of the 16th notes in that version (tony upton's) that I linked above should be 8th notes.

20 measures is a funny number.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: The Maverick
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:21 PM

I'm here, took me 15 mins to find the thread -0 cant get the hang of how this unforum like site works. I was hoping to do it in DASDGAD, as the intro I know is:

Intro for Farewell To Whiskey
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----------------0----------------0----------------0----------------0--------------------------------
-----------2---------------2-----------------0-----------------0--------------------------
-------4---------------4-----------------0----------------0------------------
--4---------------4------------------2----------------2------------------------
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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: The Maverick
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:23 PM

Re Phil Coopers post - I'm accompanying a fiddle


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: The Maverick
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:27 PM

BTW The versino I am following is Dougie Macleans from the alkbum Buttons and Bows


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:20 PM

Some finger picked descending bass runs would probably work for accompaniment. At least that's the choice I would make.


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: Tootler
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:06 PM

If you're accompanying a fiddler, it will almost certainly be in D which is the key it was written in AFAIK


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Subject: RE: Neil Gows Lament to..
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 07:17 PM

I've always liked playing it beginning D Bm F#m G


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