BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 03:37 AM

I know it isn't a simple issue Frank, but at the heart of it is the case that if one creates life, one has a responsibility towards safeguarding that life.


When that natural law is overturned for no good reason other than convenience, then we have lost our humanity.

The nub of course is how we define convenience. How important it has become in this world of greed and selfishness.

Even as an atheist, I believe there is something "sacred" in the creation of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:44 AM

Of course, that depends on how one- with or without scientific evidence- chooses to define "life".

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 09:58 AM

Ake, what defines the creation of life is the problem. A mass of undeveloped mass of unformed nerves and/or a secretion of a sperm doesn't define life which begs the question here as to whose life is more important, the life of a mother or an undeveloped form.

Atheism and "sacred" don't go together in my opinion. The latter has a decidedly religious connotation.

Natural law is subject to interpretation. Some earlier people felt that slavery was a natural law. I see no natural law here by definition that would support your claim.


Gene selection is a natural law and determines which species survive and which don't.
A malformed fetus or undeveloped one indicates that genes are not operative in its favor.

The so-called "killing" of the unborn can't be proven since the argument about when life begins is not solved by rhetoric or even yet by science.

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 12:01 PM

"Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist"

....and the Democratic Party has been full of atheist fundamentalists.
So what???
Sounds like a double standard, to me!!!!!......unless you are a 'atheist fundamentalist'.....then you just root on your particular brand of brain lock!....but then its OK??
Jeez!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: John P
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:24 PM

GfS, if you try really hard you might understand that 1) Our Constitution denies our elected officials the right to impose their religion on the rest of us. The Tea Party doesn't understand this, either. And 2) there are no "atheist fundamentalists", in that no one is trying to force anyone else to be or act like an atheist.

Double standard? I know it's useless to ask this of you, but can you explain what you mean by that, in light of our Constitution? Can you offer any specifics of what an "atheist fundamentalists" does that makes him or her so? Do you understand the difference between forcing yourself on others and asking to be left alone? Try really hard, now . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 07:42 PM

Oh, really, GfinS...

Most of the liberals I know are people of "faith"... I've made no bones about my "faith" going back since coming here 10 years ago or so... Might of fact, of all the "liberals" I know I can't say that I know of any who are atheists???

So much for that little right-winged garbage... They think that if they can paint all "liberals" as heathens then they can take the moderate folks on "faith" into *their* flock of voters (pawns)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Tea Party is Xtian Fundamentalist
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Aug 11 - 08:35 PM

My wife has been a life-long church goer (Lutheran), although her views on religion are quite liberal. I am not a particularly religious person in the conventional sense. I have a lot of questions. But I go with my wife.

I was especially impressed when one of the pastors (two pastors, one a young woman and the other a large black man who wears a gold earring, sort of like a pirate), the young woman, held up a copy of the Bible and said, "This is not the Boy Scout Manual. Don't expect to find easy answers here. This book is full of questions. And that's what we're here to examine!"

Anything that resembles dogma or some kind of absolute is subject to very close and critical scrutiny.

One of the former pastors has been in the slammer on two occasions that I know of. The first time for joining a bunch of other people in standing on the tracks blocking "the White Train" that was carrying 150 nuclear warheads to the Trident nuclear submarine base in Bangor, Washington. My wife and I were there also, but we didn't didn't gat arrested. There were just too many of us. The second time was when he joined in a demonstration blocking a demolition crew from tearing down an older building near downtown Seattle. Many low-income people lived there, and the landlord evicted them because he wanted to sell the lot to a real estate company that intended to build a high-rise luxury condominium building on the site, and he obviously didn't give a damn if his former tenants had to go sleep in Dumpsters.

Also, Central Lutheran Church houses the national offices of the Lutheran Peace Fellowship. It also has a free lunch program, joining with five other churches in the area to be sure that a free and nutritious meal is available to low-income people in the area every day of the week. Another program is seeking out low-cost housing for low-income people.

Central and couple of other churches in the area have performed marriage ceremonies for committed same-sex couples—whether the state recognizes them or not.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the vast majority of the people in the congregations of these churches vote Democrat.

So much for simple stereotypes.

Don Firth

P. S.   And from having hung out in the parish hall after the Sunday services, I know that the vast majority of these people are not Tea Party types. They consider the after-service cup of coffee to be one of the Sacrements.