BS: Obama does it again

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 03:17 AM

How things don't seem to 'Change'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Nov 11 - 01:24 AM

Yes, Little Hawk, "the Corporatocracy" is pulling all the strings, and even though Romney is a capable, very well connected exec with other things to do, he spends millions of his own money and most of his time to campaign for president, just to make Obama look good.

Lh your insightfulness is soooooo valuable. Your insights truly make you homo superiorous.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 08:03 PM

wishful thinking there eh, pdq? LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: pdq
Date: 15 Nov 11 - 07:43 PM

"...The Obameter Scorecard, according to Politifact.com ..." ~ Brooks Brother

Politifact seems to exist primarily to whitewash all the affairs that Democrats get themselves into.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Nov 11 - 04:30 PM

If the Corporatocracy is happy enough with Mr Obama in place to do their bidding, Bill, I expect they WILL arrange for a suitably cretinous enough Republican challenger...one who is such an idiot that he or she can't possibly win the election! ;-)

That would be a handy way of continuing business as usual, while persuading people once again that they still have a real democracy.

Or...they could just as easily replace Obama with a Republican stooge, if they find the right one.

Either way, I think they'll be quite pleased with the final result, and they'll get what they want, regardless.

It's really a One-Party system, you know. It's like a two-headed dragon. You vote for one head or the other. Either way, you get the dragon when the voting is done. And the two heads just keep snarling at each other constantly to keep you distracted.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 10:29 PM

He has been issuing executive orders to create some progress where there was little chance of Congress doing it. He couldn't have started with 'signing statements' immediately, or they would easily been able to assert that he wasn't even trying for bipartisan progress. He HAD to give the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves.

In this stupid game, timing is important. People's memories can be short. It's "what have you done for me lately?" Neither can he beat his brains out combating every accusation and insinuation by either the Republicans OR the mass media. He needs to save ammo for the actual campaign...once he knows which cretin ..umm..opponent he will face.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 08:52 PM

Could be so, Bill, but Obama better start letting people know how good he is or he may not get elected!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 08:03 PM

NO one quite comprehends the power...or the hassles.. of being president until they've had the job for a few days, and the CIA starts waking you up early...and at other odd times... to explain the latest crisis. Then EVERYONE starts asking "When are you gonna do X, Y and Z?"

It is a job beyond comprehension for most people: and of the current Republican crop, only Newt has any real idea of what it might entail... and he is a loose cannon with all the moral character of a tom cat.

Obama is doing BETTER than anyone could hope with the Republican anchor chains around his ankles. "Compromise" they say.... meaning, "Give us everything WE want, or we won't vote for anything relevant!" Crap... the Republicans would howl to the stars if they had a Democratic house treating a Republican president like this.

In my opinion, they KNOW how good Obama is, and are scared shitless of letting him get much credit for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 06:38 PM

Damn: y'all gonna intraduse facts it'll get warm in here.

I think Obama misunderstood the power of the presidency when he ran for it, got elected and became president. I think most other people did (and do), too.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 06:27 PM

Jeezis, Art. Facts? What the frick good are FACTS??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 03:43 PM

Just because some people can't be bothered to do their own research:

The Obameter Scorecard, according to Politifact.com

    Promise Kept    156

    Compromise       49

    Promise Broken   53

    Stalled                67

    In the Works    181

    Not yet rated    2

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: BTNG
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 03:24 PM

"Face it!!! The right wing owns the media"

and for years the right wing have been say thing exactly the same thing about the left; I wonder who REALLY owns the media....not matter where it is?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Stringsinger
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 03:19 PM

Stop leaning on your leaders and join the leaderless OWS. The leaders have made themselves irrelevant so you have to step up to the plate and be a leader yourself.

Obama is not going to help you. The Republican candidates are all clowns.

The Democratic Party has not supported OWS very much.

The Audacity of Hoax will only blow more smoke in your face as did Cain's manager.

You are the change you are waiting for, someone once said.

Obama is beholden to the corporate interests that finance his re-election.
Occupy something and maybe you can move him an inch.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 10:03 AM

Don't feed the trolls.

But I do suggest that you look it up for yourself. The Truth is out there and I've retired from looking it up for other people.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 09:14 AM

Obama was supposed to fix things regardless of them being inherited or not.

What has he "fixed?"

How may of his campaign promises has he fulfilled?

Obama supporters must refer to other people to justify their support for Obama.

It could have been worse is not a logical justification. It could have been better also.

Obama was elected because of "hope and change"

Where is the change?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Nov 11 - 09:01 AM

"Does it mean he is an effective leader?"

President Obama Job Approval

                              Approve         Disapprove
RCP Average        10/31 - 11/11       44.8        50.3

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: saulgoldie
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 05:56 PM

"Look, it's very simple. If you don't get Obama, you get something far far worse."

I am sure that is what "O" is counting on. Unfortunately, a "lover" analogy is imperfect. Would you stay with a partner who beat you sometimes, but kissed you ohso sweetly other times?

No, the situation would be that you MUST choose one lover. So you'd naturally choose the one who beat you less often and less severely. You don't have to have a lover; you DO have to have a president.

Awshit!

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 05:44 PM

( I mean the fallout from Enron,,,which Bush did almost nothing to cope with)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 05:35 PM

"Does it mean he is an effective leader?"

I'm sure the rats and kids thought the Pied Piper was an "effective leader".

The trouble with most polls is that they ask such simplistic questions! Asking whether you approve of the way Obama is doing his job has only minimal bearing on whether you think anyone else trying to GET the job could do better! Disapproval usually means just "I am not happy & comfortable!"... and there is a LOT of that around.

Why is it so damned hard for people to see & remember what led up the current social & financial situation? Obama **inherited** more problems on Day 1 than ANY president should have to cope with! GHW Bush left him with 2 wars and the Enron/Wall Street debacle, and within months Repubs were chanting "Don't you have any ideas on how to fix it?!" And to ANY idea he presented, they said "We don't like it, 'cause it's yours!"

They are worse than 12 year olds bickering on the playground and calling names!

I can't name **any** Republicans in the current spotlight, running or not, who I think are both competent and reasonable about the issues. I can name 10-12 Democrats that I would trust.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 02:44 PM

Obama promised to close Gitmo January of 2010. It ain't closed.

Harper promised to have our troops OUT of Afghanistan in 2011. That's been 'revised upward' to 2014. The troops ain't out.

OK, so Obama is a Democrat and Harper is a Conservative, but party lines aside, what the hell IS it with Americans? You think your leaders are better than ours?

HA!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 02:30 PM

Look, it's very simple. If you don't get Obama, you get something far far worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 02:07 PM

That's Zakaria.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 02:06 PM

For an educated reference point for this debate, please read the following:

What Happened to Obama, Drew Westen

Then read the rebuttals offered by some pundits such as Zakarisa, and other Obama defenders.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:59 PM

Which means what Greg?

I thought this thread was about the job Obama is doing and not the characteristics of the people who approve or disapprove of the job he is doing.

Does it mean Obama is doing a good job or a lousy job?

Does it mean he is an effective leader?

Does it mean he is naive about what he thought he could do?

Does it mean you approve?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:36 PM

Yeah, Sawz, but a significant number that disapprove are to the left of the Prez. Don't mean that they approve of the TeaPotty imbecoiles or would vote Repulsican.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:18 PM

And you are among them. Is Guantanamo closed or was that hot air?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 01:01 PM

YEah, Sawz, but you gotta admit, an awful lot of folks don't even know what he has done or is doing, being as he is not the hot-air merchant his predecessor was.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 12:36 PM

Washington Post-ABC News Poll

This Washington Post-ABC News poll was conducted by telephone August 29-September 1 2011, among a random national sample of 1,001 adults, including users of both conventional and cellular phones. The results from the full survey have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York.

*= less than 0.5 percent

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president? Do you approve/disapprove strongly or somewhat?

             -------- Approve --------   ------- Disapprove ------    No   
             NET   Strongly   Somewhat   NET   Somewhat   Strongly   opinion
9/1/11       43       21         22      53       16         38         3

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 11:08 AM

The Tar Sands Keystone XL pipeline is probably just a scam to out wit current water disputes.

Once built President Perry might just stick one end in Lake Superior and send water down to Texas, until the Lake dries up.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Sep 11 - 02:35 AM

I always get Jim's jokes. I search for them.....but its Pythonesque, one needs a modicum of imagination and Jim's humour is very British.

Best poster on mudcat*

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM

Nothing to 'get'... it's like the polar bear 'jokes'.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 12:51 PM

Puzzled. Didn't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 12:42 PM

It seems ol' Jim exists only here at Mudcat

He's wearing a little thin.... even good comedians need a new routine now & then.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: michaelr
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 12:33 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 05 Sep 11 - 10:59 AM

I `ad that michaelr in my cab the other day.
`e said, "Morning Jim, whaddya reckon on that then?"
I said, "Morning Mike, whaddoo I reckon on what?"
`e said, " That Obama, `es gone and done it again"
I said, "`as `e? I wonder what it will be in nine months time. A soldier or a Red Cross nurse!!"

Whaddam I like??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 11:35 PM

I'll say. Sheesh, ya know?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Paul G.
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 11:00 PM

High speed rail -- there's a dream -- my governor recently turned down 450 million billion trillion dollars from the feds for high speed rail between Orlando and Tampa. We grow our idiot politicians bigger than out mosquitos down here...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 07:09 PM

lol, good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 06:28 PM

It's not going to be a back, brucie... Go drenk a beer... It's all okay... Obama will call it a bank but the money ain't going into no bank... It's going into a government account like any expenditure and will be dolled out to various construction firms to build and /or rebuild this and that...

Me??? I'm for high speed rail... I think that will make *US* more competitive... I mean, just think about it, brucie... You could be sitting around wondering what to do one night and think "Hey, I'll go see Bobert" and then get on a high speed train and be here faster that if you had taken a plane... Serious business... When you figure the fact that ya' gotta be at the airport, what??? Two hours before your flight to get yer junk photographed and all that stuff and wait for on the taxi-way another 1/2 hour and then wait a half an hour to get your bags (that is if they were on the same plane), heck, you'd be here by high speed rail sucking down a chilly one and tellin' lies before the plane even unloads at Charlotte International SlowPort...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Justa Picker
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 06:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 05:00 PM

It is now. Hell, I understand banks and the concept. I like neither.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 04:13 PM

The bank is just a concept, brucie... It's just a fancy term for "spending"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 01:24 PM

Define 'public', Bobert. If by public it becomes a situation wherein government appoints the representatives, that's one step forward and two steps back. The problems is the way banks are operated. Don't put money in the damned things.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 12:37 PM

I don't think WPA or CCC are realistic... The "Infrastructure Bank" is, however, and he can go BIG here...

The difference is that with an Infrastructure Bank one is in a public/private partnership as opposed to adding government employees... It's is more salable...

Bottom line, Obama needs to be in the $1.3T range... That's what it will take... Minimum...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Paul G.
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 12:22 PM

I agree Stringsinger -- but it has to be a realizable program, NOT political theater designed to make the other party appear responsible if it fails to obtain sufficient bi-partisan support to pass. This will be his ultimate leadership test, and will certainly make or break his chances for re-election (IMO). Regardless of the covert or overt racism (which I agree exists) -- the man is the President of the United States of America. He needs to cut the puppet strings, stand up, and lead -- or his opportunity to do so will end in 14 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 12:04 PM

He has to go WPA or NRA (National Recovery Act). He has to get corporations to pay their fair share of taxes. He may have to go CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps).

Anything less than this will finish his re-election campaign.

He also has to stop the Tar Sands Keystone XL pipeline. Otherwise, environmentalists are just going to stay home.

"Audacity of hope" is being eroded every day and much of this is due to his compromises.

He better go big on Thursday otherwise people will yawn and stay home.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 10:33 AM

""There is Limbaugh, Buchanan, and others behind the scenes who have made racist remarks.

I don't blame Obama for being a little afraid, and don't tell me that this country is past racism.""

Nor is it past assassination IMHO!! There must be half a million closet Klansmen who would pay for the chance to waste "an uppity n****r" (NB. Their description, not mine, just to forestall misunderstanding)

Obama would be wise to double his protection if the Repubs get the idea he's likely to win in 2012.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Paul G.
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 11:12 PM

I don't dismiss it (stim III) s a major piece of the President's proposals, I do doubt that it can be passed through the House. Not to mention that there has to be sufficient revenue to cover the cost. I would not count printing monopoly money as "revenue"...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 10:55 PM

Don't bet against a stimulus packaged as investments...

The voters want a fix and this is the only real fix in the bag...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama does it again
From: Paul G.
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 10:31 PM

He has to win the jobs "battle" -- and in a pretty big way. Historically the only way we've worked ourselves out of recessions this deep and long has been war -- ye old military-industrial complex writ large. Any big federal spending plan (stimulus part III) is DOA in the House... One can only hope that these mysterious "plans" for turning this around that others here have alluded to are legitimate, safe, effective and passable...