BS: American Hoggers

Subject: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:01 PM

anybody watch that new show? I love it ... Kristal "Pistol" Campbell
I don't get the use of dogs all the time, but then again I know nothing about the wild boar. I know they are some kinda mean for sure but I never hunted them. Seems to me like a big cage trap would be more effective. Or getting a bunch of your good old boys with night scopes out near the water hole at night. Seems like it would get you more hogs and a lot safer for sure. My buddie in Vietnam had a big boar charge him. He unloaded his M16 into it and it kept coming. They are some kind of mean critter and I guess there are million of them. We don't have them here. WAy too cold winters.

fun show, good people, different lifestyle thats all

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: fat B****rd
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:06 PM

Hello, Dan. Did you know that 'hoggers' in the North East of England are actually trousers?. Your thread title had me thinking it was about American clothing.
ATB from Charlie.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:19 PM

Hmmmm... I expect a wee tad of adverse commentary on this here thread I do. Especially from people who do not understand that nasty critters should be kept at bay. Buckle up.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:32 PM

Don't know if we get the show in Alberta. Have to check.

Winters too cold? The first Russian wild boars were brought to New Hampshire in 1890. They are widespread in Europe, including the Carapathian mountains.
Wild boar was brought to the island of Hawai'i and licensed hunting is allowed on Moana Loa. They can be dangerous, and hikers are warned to be careful. There are a few in New Hampshire and Texas.
The small Asian pig is feral on Molokai and probablly the other islands, brought by the Polynesians.

Feeral Hogs occur in 39 states and 4 Canadian Provinces. Texas has some 2 million. Coyotes eat piglets and exercise some control. Escaped releases of the wild boar have interbred with feral pigs.

http://www.texasboars.com/articles/facts.html

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:06 PM

I don't know if they've been seen in Idaho, but I wouldn't want to tangle with one of them. Maybe the mountain lions could do a nice job on them.

Cabela's sells a goddam SWORD for "hunting" them. No thanks, you go right ahead....

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: GUEST,Frogprince
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:07 PM

I've got no more problem with shooting feral hogs than with combatting a plague of locusts. But, in terms of the kind of series taking up more and more of TV time...what is this stuff going to come down to? American Frog Jiggers? American Unwashed Titty Oglers?

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:09 PM

From the thread title I figured somebody wanted to talk about out biker gangs.

The larger Harleys are pretty universally called "Hogs" (pronounced Hawgs) and quite a few of the larger "clubs" are mostly "Hawg Riders."

In the southeast part of the US, most of the feral hogs are escaped domestics that have gone wild, and they're generally big, ugly, and mean. A 300 pound one isn't too rare, and larger ones are occasionally reported.

In parts of the southwest, the wild ones are smaller, and the locals argue about whether they're something native or if they came from livestock gone wild. In southern Arizona they call them "javalenas," and one much over 100 pounds is fairly rare; but their reputation is that they're "naturally bad tempered" and can be exceedingly dangerous when encountered unexpectedly.

Javalenas eat coyotes (and occasionally tourists). Few people that I've heard of hunt them with dogs, 'cause you lose too many dogs that way.

John

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:15 PM

"Few people that I've heard of hunt them with dogs, 'cause you lose too many dogs that way."

I would think so... them there is nasty critters! I'd rather mess with a black bear. At least you can "reason" with a black bear.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 05:00 PM

You can reason with a boar once it's skinned, cleaned, cooked and on the table.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 05:01 PM

Depends on the spices.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 05:11 PM

Javalinas, a peccary, are a native species, found along the border in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. They came from South America and have extended their range. Often in herds, mean critters!

Not feral pigs.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:22 PM

GNU
the buckle Kevlar vests to the dogs chest and neck so the boars don't tear the dog up. The dogs pull the boar down by the ears and the people tie up the hogs feet and cart them off ... amazing actually

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: gnu
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:26 PM

Oh my... my first post just "got worse".

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:29 PM

Q
I have seen some Javalinas on some Southern Colorado property my kid bought for some reason or the other ..200 acres of nothing. Maybe she wants to hunt them or harvest the cactus. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:53 PM

Javalinas may get to Alberta one of these days.

Southern Colorado- SW or SC or SE? 200 acres of nothing? pinon and juniper? Chamisa? Bunch grass?

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:57 PM

Here's the real deal... If you catch one of these trouble makers, why take 'um over the county line so the sumabich can wreck havoc on another farmer's farm... Put the sumabich on the BBQ grill...

This is the dumbest show on TV, by far...

BBQ!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:55 PM

If it is a really really dumb show, you can bet Spaw and I are watching it and talking about it ... cause we live for Top Shot, Swamp people, American Picker, storage wars, hoggers , Ice road, deadliest catch .. yup got em all down ...

Actually Bobster, they take them alive to the food pantry for processing. They don't let them go, they want to keep them alive because in the heat the meat will spoil so the pen them then bring in a processing truck ...

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 09:59 PM

Actually Q it is 200 acres of nothing but there is water on it and a dirt road ... She wants me to put a home there .. 10 miles from the nearest town or neighbor ... be great for me but not for the missus.

naw .. but great for camping ... she got a beautiful weekend cabin already high in the Rockies .. don't know why she wanted this land but like Will Rodgers said ... its the best investment, cause they don't make it anymore.

I would make short order of the pigs.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:03 PM

Yo, Ol'ster... How do I know about this dumb show??? I mean, I love dumb shows... If it's to hard on my head then how I gonna play on the pudder and watch the sumabich at the same time???

Huh???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:13 PM

The show is on our cable here in western Canada, A&E, and I'll certainly look at it.
Riding mules down to the leper colony on Molokai, one of our guides managed to catch a young'un, and took him back in a sack, to feed until ready to butcher. Wonderful eating when slow cooked in a pit under hot rocks.

We have Canadian Pickers as well as American Pickers, both 'don't miss' with me. My wife hates them, even though one of the Canadian Pickers is the son of people we knew well (both RIP). Gonna ask him over to pick through our junk.
Ice Road, because it starts out in the north of Alberta and delivers goods from both Calgary and Edmonton, also is on my list (the wife winces and leaves the room).
I also like the one where they demolish buildings.

They certainly are a lot more interesting than CNN and most of the big network efforts.

There ought to be a show where a watchmaker takes apart vintage watches and put them back together. I would be glued to the screen, and olddude would be too.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:18 PM

I love American Pickers... They would have a field day with my stuff... No, don't tell them about me...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:35 PM

Q
not a bad idea, I wish they would make a TV show about my Amish watchmaker friend. You should see his barn and the tools and the end result ... amazing that would make an interesting show for sure

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: gnu
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 07:59 PM

This is gonna be the most PI thread yet. I'd love ta hunt gators with some a my long lost Acadian cousins like Troy and some pig with some new found cousins... I am just a good ol Kent County boy at heart. Haven't bin huntin in years but every now and then, I get that "twinge". Call it primal or even savage if ya want, but it's there.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 10:15 PM

Yeah, I remember that show about hunting gators. These bits of Americana remind me how varied the country is.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 10:32 PM

You can (or could) hunt black bear with a spear in Arkansas, or at least my brother once told me so. You can also hunt Brown Bear in Alaska with a bow, and my wife's cousin took a 12 footer that way last year.

Y'all have fun know, ya hear? I'll be happy to stand behind ya with a .338 or a .375 and I'll try to miss ya when the time comes.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 10:55 PM

You have the wrong idea on that, Rap. Take a .22 single shot with a short in it. When the bear charges, shoot the guy with the spear in the knee, then you walk away slowly.

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: olddude
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 11:53 PM

that bears some thought bruce

Subject: RE: BS: American Hoggers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 12:15 AM

Forty years ago two friends of mine said that the three of us should go bow hunt a grizzly in the Rockies. I said, "F##k that!" Well, four or five beers later I agreed to go. 'Dave' said he'd bring a 75 pound pulley bow, razor tip arrows, etc. 'Sam' said he bring a camera with zoom lens and high speed film, etc. They asked what I'd bring for back-up. I said I'd bring a Vostok .22, five round mag with number six in the pipe. They both asked what a .22 would do against a grizzly. I said, "Nothing. I ain't gonna shoot the bear, I'm gonna shoot one of you turkeys in the leg and run like hell."

We decided not to go.