The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Andy Rouse
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 01:13 PM

Got married at shillingford bridge 7 years ago and had a fantastic local band called 'Bonne Bouche ceilidh band'. they were really entertaining, got everyone dancing and wondered amongst the guests playing bits softly when breaks in dancing - don't know if they are still together - but thoroughly recommend them.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Bernard
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 12:03 PM

Click the Unreel link above - showing how it should be done!!

That doesn't mean others don't... just that they do!

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 09:32 AM

Good stuff!

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 09:26 AM

OK, here is a band that I have played with in the past, complete with Hurdy Gurdy and Gm!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VINOdq03Lc

Not me playing guitar though.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 09:04 AM

Eh well, I suppose you'll have to judge us for yourself, Silas. Here you go...

Unreel - "The Star Above The Garter"

Live at a birthday bash in Ditchling.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 08:51 AM

It is indeed a very humbling experience, and something that should not be undertaken lightly.

However - you DID manage post 100.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 08:46 AM

I'm not worthy... :-)

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 08:34 AM

Yep! Gm AND with Hurdy Gurdy lead - how about that then?

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 08:32 AM

Gm? Bloody hell!

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:55 AM

I think we are taking it too literally, a bit like 'Probably the best lager in the world' just over-hyped thats all. Just because they are possibly a scratch band does not mean they are not good.

Anyhow Will, I bet my band is shitter hotter than yours! ;-) we even do some tunes in Gm!!!!

I do agree that it is a tad misleading, but would the average person who is just trying to get a ceilidh band for a wedding be all that bothered?

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:46 AM

"a couple of models hired to wriggle attractively for live performances"

The Beech Inn, Beech Road, Chorlton, Manchester, M21 9EG, evry Wednesday

L in C# .

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:19 AM

It is the dishonesty, representing themselves as local to everywhere and representing different bands to be the same band, that I find offensive.

Mind you I thought the same in the latter respect about Village People too, and the recordings by - er - was it "Boney M"? - where the recordings were done by session musicians and a couple of models hired to wriggle attractively for live performances.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 04:55 AM

Thanks, Chris, for that very clear exposition of the situation.

I've been following the thread with some interest as I play in a ceilidh band in Sussex (Unreel, based in Ditchling). The ethics of what the Ship Band are doing have seemed questionable to me. Their uncalled for sneering at local bands - beards, shorts, etc. - doesn't get them any brownie points and, as a local ceilidh band member, I have to say that we consider ourselves shit hot and a damned good band.

The website's claim that they are the "UKs premiere ceilidh and barn dance band" sounds rather hollow to me when I know so many good bands of high quality just in my own area. And how can their claim be justified, given the nameless composition of their unknown scratch band members?

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Jigs N Reels Agency
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 09:24 PM

Just back from a gig and re-reading.All calmer now,I see,on this front (and Mudcat have done some 'removing' of the odd post) and it is actually turning into a debate rather than a slanging match.I'm presuming the original guy has found a band by now and that this question is no longer the issue.
Speaking purely as an agent who deals with ceilidh,barn dance bands (and nothing else) I'll point out again my misgivings - and Adam can either heed or hiss.
The issue is not musicianship but representation.
I'm happy to assume that Ship's own regular musos are very capable (I've clocked the accord player Nic at Bromyard FF 'shower room' session/s and know how capable he is - even with a bandaged finger !)I'm also very happy to accept that 'skint or unskint' ceilidh band musos are lowly rewarded and,in my opinion,should be paid higher than currently - our own genre (and love of that genre) is partly to 'blame' for this.As an agent (any band dealing with me will presumably vouch for this) I never try to 'talk down' a band's fee (like some agents I can think of) or dictate what their rewards should be.In the wide wide world,folk music is undersold in comparison with other genres (but as a genre is less popular).That's just a fact.And here's some other facts !
Ceilidh bands are booked primarily on Saturdays/Fridays with some (increasingly) Sundays and a smidge of mid-week stuff for (ignoring Ceilidh Series events) weddings,birthdays,anniv's,f/raisers and corporate bashes.
THUS,an individual identifiable band (even with 2 line-ups from their 'collective' of musicians,not entirely uncommon) has a finite number of gigs per annum - AT BEST 150 gigs per annum as a particular band.
NOW,Ship Band advertise their band as being 'local' in some extremely far flung reaches from Bristol.I'd suggest that there is no way that their band can 'cover' more than 150 gigs given a nationwide (virtually) coverage - so,let's presume they get 150 gigs per annum..........their choice will be to
(a) turn down bookings 'cos they're booked
(b) offer ('introduce') an alternative band whom they would recommend (without any remuneration) who deal directly with the 'hirer'
(c) offer to recommend an alternative band (from whom Ship Band take a 'kick-back/commission/call what it what you like) thus making them an introductory agent without responsibilities to the 'hirer'
(d) offer to arrange a suitable,similar band and further offer to arrange 'the gig' taking a commission/percentage or whatever for their services in making the arrangement.
(e) offer an alternative band and act as the agent in drawing up a formal contract which becomes accepted,legally,between the band (artist/s) and the 'hirer'/client
In scenario (a) and (b) that's legitimate,understandable and they have done the 'skint' musos a favour.Applause !
In scenarios (c),(d) and (e) the Ship Band will,effectively,be acting as agents for others and will bear some responsibility,legally,for the performance of their recommended band.
IF they are agents,they should come under the regulations governing agencies - the main pre-requisite being.........YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU'RE AN AGENT !!!
Ourselves/bandsandmusicians/Random agency/Counties agency all make this clear that ...this is what we do.....so do several other agencies who don't really know a barn dance band from a barn door !! But they do know their responsibilities.
Some may think this sour grapes (but I've noticed no downturn in enquiries despite Adam's views).
THE POINT - if you're acting as an agent Adam - you need to let people know - there's rules,regs which you may or may not like/be aware of.And mis-representation is high up on their regs.This is not the 'heavy',just being straight with you.
I don't mind competition - I've had that for years on end - but if my suspicions are correct,you need to be very careful.Please don't take that as a warning,that's solid advice ! (And if you don't believe me,check out any old established agency you can think of !)
Chris Mulvey

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 06:52 PM

This is a thread started by a guest and it looks like another guest has given a pretty good account of the business and filled in some gaps in our first guest's understanding of the business of both promotion and filling in the band's ranks. Interesting reading.

SRS

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 04:32 PM

I suppose this is all about that HUGE difference between QUALITY and quantity.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Interested
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 04:09 PM

Hello

I'm not a usual user of Mudcat but I have been alerted to this thread by a friend. I know some of the Ship Band boys and greatly admire their music, and their cheek ;) I have never depped for them but I have played with them in sessions and have always had a great time. I am glad that they are actively promoting themselves, wherever they might play. Musicians are generally quite transient types and why on earth shouldn't they advertise themselves as a national band? How far would a commercial band get by saying they only play in Stoke on Trent, or wherever? Whether they use no deps or 4 they are going out by that name and it would not be in their interests to send out a second rate line-up.

Power to their elbow I say for generating work for skint musicians! If it wasn't for these types I'd be forced into a normal boring job!I have depped for a number of well-known bands and I am damn grateful for the work. Depping is a professional career in its own right and thank god there are professional first rate ceilidh bands out there who use deps. It keeps the music alive too! It is exhilarating playing with different players and a decent musician can easily jam in with a band and add a bit more verve than there might otherwise be in the same stagnant line up, romping through the Rochdale Coconut Dance or whatever together for the millionth time together. I love ceilidh music but it is my bread and butter work, I don't want to be rehearsing tunes I've played a million times over, clients just rely on the fact that I will know them already and have a musical enough ear to be able to follow them. Communication on stage is also a bit of an art and it's pretty easy to spot where a change is coming if you look out for it.

I am saddened by what I've seen on Mudcat and think that our only hope for a progessive future in folk is in the young people who are NOT sat on the internet on a Friday night (like me!) but out there showing people what a vibrant lot we really are. Let's move forward and be as entrepreneurial as we possibly can be to get the music we all love out there, AND earning us money too! We are love our music yes but we all need to make a living too :) It's us against the corporate commercial crap, club together people and for god's sake lighten up, we are all on the same side here! You think this sort of stuff is underhand, it's nothing compared to what the big boys are up to in the commercial world.

Phew! I'm off to play some tunes, back in reality where I belong :)

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 01:41 PM

Hi Ali, thanks for dropping in.

You explain the differences well, and your clarity is admirable.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Chris Partington
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 01:39 PM

Have I missed something?
The most serious allegation from some on here seems to be that you book The Ship Band but a different band, or a scratch band, turns up on the back of a 'Ship Band' franchise.
The Ship Band website shows a lineup that usually consists of three named individuals on fiddle, accordian, and guitar, plus a named caller, plus for larger occassions named individuals on drums bass guitar/singer. They claim to be good at several styles - English, Scottish, Irish.
Where in this thread has it been demonstrated that this is not what you get?
What's misleading here?
The rest of it is just over-enthusiastic marketing, and an arrogant attitude, which is not exactly rare on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Licence to Ceilidh
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 10:43 AM

I apologise that we're a bit delayed with our post, as we've only just been alerted to this thread.

We're concerned about being associated with the Ship band model so thought it best to explain:

LTC is a band like any other and most definitely not an agency or 'franchise'. Although we consider ourselves to be a professional band and focus a lot of resources on advertising - unlike The Ship Band we only target the surrounding areas of London and Sussex where our musicians are based, and charge more for traveling further (as we will actually be traveling rather than using other musicians local to the area).

Something that is true, is that on occasions we do put out 2 bands on the one night, but it is still 'Licence to Ceilidh': which we completely understand can be seen to be misleading, so just to explain: we would consider ourselves to be a collective - all of our players are full time professional musicians of a particularly high standard and so can often have other musical commitments which means they cannot play all of the ceilidhs (for instance our drummers play for some of the top west end shows, like Footloose and Grease) and so over the 10 years the band has been running, through the necessity of using and training up deps (in rehearsals - yes we do have them!) we have built up this collective of high quality, trained musicians who all play regularly with the band, thus enabling us to have two quality, rehearsed bands out at once (playing the same music!).

We're very keen to try and not mislead people with this so that's why we have numerous people on each instrument page on our website. We're open to showing different line-ups throughout our photos/videos on our site and also the many agency sites we're registered on (but do note the familiar faces that crop up a lot!).

We pride ourselves on the quality of all to do with LTC and so have two completely identical sets of top of the range PA, so all the equipment and music is exactly the same on every gig and quality is ensured through all of our equipment as well as players. As mentioned we do spend money on advertising, however over half of our work comes from word of mouth, repeat bookings and people having seen us at other events, which we think is a great testament to the quality of what we're doing.

We don't make a huge amount of money from LTC, but we make enough to get by and provide our friends who are all fantastic musicians with good work (we try to pay our players as much as we can and make sure it's in line with the going rate for musicians of that caliber).

I myself am what you'd call a 'folky': my parents folk singers and I've grown up at festivals and ceilidhs (never missed a Sidmouth yet!). I think the most important thing to note is: that any band that focuses on quality and integrity will be around for the long haul, those that don't are somewhat missing the point of music and thus wont be around for long!

Back to the original post: we're openly a Scottish Ceilidh band, so I don't think we'll be what you're looking for, but would most definitely recommend Cat Kelly, The Flying Chaucers or DanceCupola (derby based - only 2 hours from oxford).

Ali

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 09:38 AM

Ok,

L in C#

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 08:43 AM

Hi Les. Well, to start a thread with their name and the word 'fraud' is not likley to win them over to start with, and I think they have been on the recieving end of much more unpleasantness than they have dished out. As I see it they are plugging a hole in the market, does it matter that they want to make money out of it? No, corse it don't, why should it? They are providing a service and expect to be paid for it, as do we all.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 08:37 AM

Well Silas, I guess I agree with most of that. Although

"I don't think anyone would argue that playing in Cheilidh bands requires a lot of musical skill and dexterity"

Is not true for me, it requires all of mine.

Does what they do matter? In all the world not much, in the world of folk, not a lot but why are they misleading people and why do they have to be so unpleasant?

L in C#

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 08:25 AM

Well, Les, Howard may well be right, but! Does it really matter. If these guys can put on a good show by using scratch bands or whatever and the 'end user' is happy what exactly is the problem? I don't think anyone would argue that playing in Cheilidh bands requires a lot of musical skill and dexterity, I have been doing on and off for 35 years, most bands play the same tunes - OK a practiced band may put in a few effects, stops etc, but in my experience this is more for the entertainment of the band than the audience who, frankly, most times would not know or recognise the tunes anyway. Basically, if they can start together, stop together and play in the same key, there is not much more to it than that. Its the caller that makes the difference really.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 08:14 AM

Come on Silas, Howards right and I think your point is clever but so far off the point that it doesn't really help.

As a number of people have pointed out it looks like a marketing ploy that is more than a bit misleading. Do you think that's a good idea?

Do I detect the secret hand of Simon Cowell? I think we should be told

L in C#

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 07:56 AM

Well Howard, you could say the same about bellowhead, fairport, albion band, steeleye - the list is endless.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Howard Jones
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 07:43 AM

The problem is that what they are apparently delivering is not what they advertise. Their website gives the impression that they are an established band with a more or less fixed lineup, whereas reading between the lines the reality seems to be it is a net for attracting bookings for which they will then put together a scratch band from local musicians. How can that equate with their claim to be "the UK's premier ceilidh and barn dance band"?

As I said before, I don't doubt the bands provided are good musicians or that their clients go away happy. However they won't have got what was advertised. Just because it's aimed at a market which may be fairly undiscerning, does that make it acceptable?

My own band will use deps from time to time, but usually not more than one in a lineup. Sometimes we'll agree with a client to go out with reduced numbers for a lower fee in order to meet their budget, but we'll tell them that's what we'll be doing so there's no misucnderstanding. If we can't get enough regular members to do a gig, then one of us will sometimes put together a scratch band, but that doesn't then go out under our band's name. It's about being honest with your customers.

I don't think this band's marketing practices reflect well on them. More worringly, it doesn't reflect well on the ceilidh band scene as a whole. They obviously don't care much about that, but it is alarming that we might all be tarred with the same brush.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 06:41 AM

Hi Sarah, yes I agree with you there. I know lots of very good musicians who cannot cut it when it comes to playing for dances - some tunes seem excruciatingly slow when played for a dance, and some , particularly Irish specialists, tent to try to speed up the tempo a tad.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 06:17 AM

I go out gigging most weekends - sometimes with my own band The Flying Chaucers and sometimes calling for other lineups (both established bands and some scratch bands with excellent musicians). One observation I would make is that no matter how brilliant the musicians are one other ingredient is vital for a successful ceilidh and that is that the musicians are sympathetic to the ability of the dancers and don't just play at 100mph because they can. Sometimes the music is almost incidental in the success of the evening which depends upon the enjoyment of the dancers. It is difficult for a scratch band to have this empathy - achieving this takes time and getting to know your fellow band members.

Sarah

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Crazy Old Bird
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 06:16 AM

Yes Silas, plenty of hot air & the faint odour of sour grapes from people who wish they'd thought of the idea first.

And Dick Burst - "The Ship Band are basically the same arrogant, childish t@ats who annoy session goers at many festivals throughout the year" This poses the question why do many festival organisers use them to host/run/keep sessions going - probably because their music always attracts a crowd of onlookers tapping their feet & dancing around...... sounds like the basis for a good ceilidh band to me !

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Silas
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 05:57 AM

Well, lots of hot air here. Personally, altghough the Ship bands site is a little misleading, I don't have a problem with it. Bear in mind who it is aimed at, and the difficulty that its intended viewer has finding a Barndance band, I think it is, overall, a great idea. Providing that the standard of music and calling is up to par, just what is the problem? I played for years in a Ceilidh band and although that band no longer exists, I still stand in as guitarist for several different bands, I remember one occasion when, out of a five piece band, only two permenent members were playing, three of us were stand ins, absoloutly no problem whatsoever, and, lets face it, barndance music is hardly the pinnacle of excellence is it, no matter how well played.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 05:13 AM

I have read most of this and I think Howard, no relation, sums things up pretty well. In the end it's about honesty and that's what seems to be missing. The unpleasantness doesn't help but many of us have done a bit of that off and on.

Back covering:

Ths Beech Band has around 45 members in that 45 people have been to our tunes session at The Beech. We have played for around 8 Ceilidhs and on each occasion a core of around 10 have turned up with anything up to 20 others - a variable 20 each time. We are moving from "Beginners" to "Improvers" we play with out PA except for Rob our brilliant caller and we make all this very clear.

Making all this is very clear Ship People. Why don't you?

L in C#

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Ship Band Supporter
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 04:54 AM

I'm not Adam. Just someone who has been following reading this thread as it was ridiculous.
Have any of you actually SEEN them perform?
no, thought not....so who are you to judge really?

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Howard Jones
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 03:50 AM

And another thing...

I'm not sure what they've got against the tune for the "Rochdale Coconut Dance", other than it's a "humpty tumpty" tune and they seem to prefer "diddly diddly" ones. From the snippets I listened to on their website, the tunes they were playing appeared to be fairly bog-standard too, so I'm not sure why they're adopting such a superior position. It comes across as another example of their arrogant and condescending attitude.

I don't doubt their standards of musicianship, assuming the lineups they send out are of a similar quality. I don't doubt they'll give their clients a good performance and an enjoyable event, which is of course the main thing. As a musician in a ceilidh band, I don't mind the competition. I do dislike their dishonest advertising and their overall attitude.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Howard Jones
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 03:33 AM

When I first read this I was inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt, and to think that it was just a case of over-enthusiastic marketing of a genuine band. although the reluctance to fully identify the musicians on the website raised my suspicions. However having re-read some of Adam's posts (and assuming they are genuine) then I think the OP was right - this seems to be just a front for a network of scratch bands. Adam's claim that they use deps "more efficiently" than other bands as good as admits this.

Of course there is nothing wrong with using deps, and most bands use them from time to time. However there is a difference between bringing a dep into an established lineup, to cover the absence of a regular band member, and sending out a scratch band. There's nothing wrong with scratch bands either, provided they can deliver the goods, although to claim that a scratch band is better than one which regularly rehearses and performs together is extraordinary. However it's the lack of honesty which is disturbing. Fraudulent? probably not, but undoubtedly misleading.

Of course it is clearly aimed at the wedding market - nothing wrong with that, this the bread and butter for most bands. If the lineups they send out meet the standards of the examples on the website, I'm sure they do a good job, although I don't see anything to support their claim to be "the UK's premier ceilidh and barn dance band". They seem to have only contempt for the folk scene, but they're entitled to their opinion. However they should bear in mind that couples booking a band for their wedding often want more than "testamonials" - they do their due diligence, and often want to see the band perform before deciding to book them. That might just be a problem. The band also might like to consider that this thread will no doubt come up on Google searches, and will reveal not only what they are up to but that Adam's responses show they are arrogant and condescending - all of this is likely to put off potential clients.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 03:10 AM

The trouble with ' guest ' posters is that they are free to change identity as it suits them, blatently obvious on this thread with you know who.

Dave H

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 09:48 PM

grown up......? I'll refrain......

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 08:05 PM

Adam, I think you're on your own here... it might be wise for you to stop digging.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Bernard
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 07:33 PM

Pot calling kettle...

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,Ship Band Supporter
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 07:09 PM

Haven't you lot got anything better to do than sit on this forum all day? Pathetic.
SLANDER is also illegal....... and like someone has just said, there is a permanent record of it on here if legal advice on the matter was saught. The ship band do what the majority of other bands, folk or not, do the length and breadth of the country. You have shown yourselves to be ignorant morons.

Having grown up in the folk world, I thought you were all decent people. Oh, how wrong I was.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:56 PM

Huh, BTNG?

"Those who run this place" provide an open forum for all to post freely as they wish.

Certain people have, by their arrogance on this thread, alienated themselves from a large part of the UK folk fraternity.

They may well be happy with that; if so, good luck to them.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:45 PM

Yes It is.....yet no one will do anything about this idiot, will they, one could almost be tempted to think that those who run this place love this sort of stuff

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: Noreen
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:40 PM

Very illuminating, in many ways.

The arrogance exhibited on this thread is stunning- and is here as a permanent record.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:19 PM

Oh stop it, we know who you are loser....oh wait though aiding and abetting a criminal activity, that might get you a couple of years inside...and please make up your mind wherere you're, though the towns already listed would be quick to disown you...anti social behaviour and all that

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,A covert Ship Supporter
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 04:43 PM

I for one think that The Ship national ceilidh band is a fantastic idea. Anyone looking for affordable local ceilidh bands is obviously going to google their area, and a bit of healthy advertising competition never hurt anyone. I play in two ceilidh bands, and have nothing against the Ship idea whatsoever. It gives others an incentive to sort their sites out so that they're properly SEOed and not a complete mess (like this one!). Also, musicians who play with the Ship in whatever region may be on different instruments to the lineup somewhere else, but will certainly be of a high standard of instrumentality.

Irrespective of the Ship's marketing tactics, and the venomous spewing forth against them from this quarter, I'd just like to point out the error of Dave Hanson- I think you'll find that Adam (whoever he might be) was referring to the humpty tumpty little tune popularised by cheesy morris sides and discordant Bellowhead renditions and beloved of aging melodeeon players (none of THOSE in the Ship Band, or at least not that I know of), not the dance troupe.

Finally to Guest999, do I take it from your lazy English and casual assumption of your superiority over posters from other countries that you are American? I could insert a joke here, but it's better that British readers consider an American they know and chuckle to themselves.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 03:09 PM

I just might........

and who says I'm British....

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:56 PM

Yeah. Well, you get right on that, BTNG.

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This is not the first time nor will it be the last time that those who may not be named on Mudcat use Mudcat to push their agendas. Figured at least the Brits would know that by now. Guess not.

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:41 PM

I'd love to see someone track this nasty piece of work down, and show him/her what for,,,,hint hint

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:41 PM

Why do I suspect an attempt to avoid the Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses Regulations 2003?

Subject: RE: The Ship Band ; Fraud Ceilidh band
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:20 PM

Only 15th, eh? This will hopefully get this thread a bit higher up Google ...

The Ship Band Glasgow barn dance hoe down ceilidh
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The Ship Band Berkshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Bromley barn dance hoe down ceilidh
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The Ship Band Chester barn dance hoe down ceilidh
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The Ship Band Doncaster barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Dorset barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Gloucestershire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Grimsby barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Hampshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Harrogate barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Hereford barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Hertfordshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Huddersfield barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Kendal barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Lancashire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Leicestershire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Lincoln barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Lincolnshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Litchfield barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Maidstone barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band North Yorkshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Northumberland barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Oxfordshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Pembrookshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Peterborough barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Rugby barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Shropshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Somerset barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Suffolk barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Surrey barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Sussex barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Taunton barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Teeside barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band The Wirral barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Torquay barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Totnes barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Tunbridge Wells barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Warwickshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band West Yorkshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Wiltshire barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Wirral barn dance hoe down ceilidh
The Ship Band Worcester barn dance hoe down ceilidh
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