BS: Anonymous Group Threats

Subject: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:50 PM

Anonymous hackers threaten Mexican drug cartel

It warns Zetas gang to release kidnapped member or it will expose identifies
By Matt Liebowitz
Security News
10/31/2011

The Anonymous hacking collective has put a Mexican drug cartel squarely in its crosshairs, threatening to expose the identities of the syndicate and its supporters in retaliation for the alleged kidnapping of an Anonymous hacktivist in the Mexican state of Veracruz.

"You made a huge mistake in taking one of us," an Anonymous member says in a YouTube video. "Release him, and if anything happens to him, you will always remember this upcoming Nov. 5."

The drug cartel, known as the Zetas, is one of the most powerful and violent crime organizations in Mexico, responsible for extortion, assassinations and kidnapping along with illegal drug trade. If the Zetas don't release the unnamed Anonymous hacker they allegedly kidnapped, Anonymous says it will expose cartel secrets as well as the identities of the journalists, taxi drivers and police officers it believes are complicit in allowing the Zetas to thrive.

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"For the time being we will not post photos or the names of the taxi drivers, the journalists or the newspapers nor the police officers, but if needed we will publish them including their addresses to see if by doing so the government will arrest them," the Anonymous member says in the Spanish-language video.

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The Nov. 5 reference used in the threat falls in line with the lore and mystery on which the hacktivist group thrives.
That date is Guy Fawkes Day, the anniversary of the discovery of the 1604 plot to blow up the British Parliament, referenced in the movie "V for Vendetta."

In public demonstrations, Anonymous members and supporters frequently wear the masks worn by the movie's revolutionary hero. Anonymous often singles out Nov. 5 as a day to launch cyberattacks; this year, along with the Zetas, Anonymous has already promised to take down Fox News and Facebook.

[Some of us may see both good and bad in the intentions of the group?]

John

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:58 PM

Gosh, the topic here was a surprise

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: gnu
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 06:50 PM

Is that sarcastic Richard?

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: BTNG
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 07:13 PM

Sounds like someone's bluffing to me...I don't think anyone has anything to fear from groups who really do need to get lives!

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:16 PM

I watched the video of them taking down Westboro Baptist Church while they were on a talk show. I suspect they aren't simply blowing smoke. How much they can do, I can't predict, but I'm pretty sure it's more than nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 11:57 PM

It's quite possible that they do have the ability to do something.

Anyone who hasn't noticed their past activities might want to take a look at Anonymous – Wiki where there's a fairly comlete list of their more notorious actions.

I actually figured more people here would be impressed with their "attachment" to Fawkes, and their possible attack on Fox News. I'm not sure I understand what they've got against FaceBook, but they've been a bit vague about whether their penetrations of the military and the FBI are attacks on secrecey or on stupidity(?) and they don't really seem to have a very coherent agenda.

Recently, Anonymous Reveals IP Addresses Of Alleged Child Porn Viewers In Latest Sting has been given "impled credit" for some arrests, although of course legal authorities have to establish and confirm before they can arrest anyone, so it could produce more than has been visible thus far.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:06 AM

Trouble is, with these people and their ilk, is that they take credit when credit isn't theirs to take, so in the end, their own purpose is defeated when no one believes them when they actually do something.
The other thing is, how many of these attacks are actually the group and how many are just opportunistic vandals?

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:15 AM

No! on Human Rights and Freedom, on a subject that is as self-evident as that two and two make four, there is no need of any written authority.

Ernestine L. Rose

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:32 AM

I think Jeri's right. They've proved they are pretty skilled at what they do. If they say they can expose the identities of Zetas and its supporters, I imagine they can. They've taken on more sophisticated targets before now.

I think the incoherence is a by-product of the model - it's not a top-down organisation with a party line, but a pretty loose coalition of individuals and groups. I suspect in common with many people they have had enough of centralised and authoritarian models.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:35 AM

John, I think the attachment to Guy Fawkes might come from his symbolic adoption (which of course ignores his thoroughly reactionary politics!) by elements of the anarchist movement. You know, the old "the only person to enter parliament with honest intentions" line.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:40 AM

Power to Anonymous! They ROCK!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:44 AM

Anonymous were born from the film 'V for Vendetta' which is, quite simply, one of the BEST films I've ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:03 AM

Trouble is, with these people and their ilk, is that they take credit when credit isn't theirs to take, so in the end, their own purpose is defeated when no one believes them when they actually do something.

I don't know what news you're reading BTNG, but this group is very effective at doing exactly what they set out to do.

The Zetas have met their match - a pissed of group of techie do-gooders who can pull the cover of anonymity off the drug cartel and law enforcement bedfellows.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:15 AM

Here's the David Pakman Show interview with Shirley Phelps-Roper and Anonymous, complete with live hack.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:23 AM

The subtitle of that should be "How an anonymous hacker guy in a rubber shark suit can look less bananas than a non-anonymous, not rubber shark suit wearing woman".

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:29 AM

shark suit???? and they want to be taken seriously??? Now THAT truly is funny and Phelps-Roper, this the woman who organised and executed a demonstration at the funeral of the rock musician Ronnie James Dio. She is quite one the most disgusting human beings to have ever walked this earth.

total credibility for both sides = Zero

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 10:45 AM

I suspect 'anonymous' enjoys not being taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:20 AM

She's nuts...totally, nuts...

I can imagine her telling you were going to meet God, who was going to redeem your soul, as she cut you into tiny pieces....

As I said, Anonymous ROCK!

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:39 AM

Anonymous has tremendous credibility. They do not seem to make any empty threats. If anybody can direct me to one, I would be surprised, but it would certainly change my view.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: BTNG
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:41 AM

I don't support them, that's probably very clear

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:42 AM

There are other videos, but this seems to have been produced by the group: What we are capable of - Anonymous

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 11:55 AM

I think the world needs something like a revolution. At least the US does. I don't know if I support anonymous, but I think the idea is to not put one's faith in any organization, and THAT I can support. And I can support the idea of taking responsibility for my part in the world.

Simply the idea that doing right should be more important than making money is something I can support.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:28 PM

IMO, Anonymous, in the parlance do indeed 'rock'.

All cultures have tales of a Robin Hood. All around the world people love stories and movies where someone or many someones take on the bad guys and win. They appear in popular cultures when the governments, kings or queens, cartels, banks, Wall Streets of the time suppress or otherwise control the masses for personal gain, forgetting that the masses enable the 'powerful' to enjoy opulent or grandiose lifestyles.

I see Anonymous as a modern, cyber world response to a similar situation worldwide.

Facebook, touted as a social media site has been very slow for years in responding to identity theft, and because they had a corner on the market they did little to rectify the various situations that caused real people in the real world both harm and damage. I hope that FB is taught a lesson in manners and responsibility on November 5, and that Anonymous follows through and is successful in its mission to free their member from the cartel in Mexico.

If I had hacking skills I'd be with Anonymous. They have fought some bad people/institutions over the years, and I think they deserve a standing ovation from so many of us who have indirectly benefited from their work. I do not perceive Anonymous to be anarchists, a word meant to slime them. I do perceive them to be basically good folks on a serious mission, and a worthwhile one at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:44 PM

Even if they aren't anarchists (and I tend to agree with 999 that they probably aren't) there's something pretty anarchistic about their general approach - which I mean entirely as a compliment!

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:46 PM

"I think the idea is to not put one's faith in any organization, and THAT I can support. And I can support the idea of taking responsibility for my part in the world.

Amen to that. And I guess that's what I mean by anarchistic, though of course it doesn't need me to put a label on it...

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:51 PM

I can think of a to-do list to send to Anonymous . . .

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 01:52 PM

She is no more nuts than 30 Tea Party Congressmen or the typical blond woman on FOX news. The rants are virtually the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:06 PM

"I can think of a to-do list to send to Anonymous . . ."

One step ahead of you, SRS.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Crowhugger
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:20 PM

What 999 said today@12:28 p.m., totally!

Well yeah, the law abiding part of me cringes at their methods but over all prefer a little Robin Hood style civil disobedience to letting a harmful, nearly unreachable status quo carry on.

And don't get me started about FB. What a thoroughly insidious way to deliver audience to advertisers! Users can not opt out of having their ENTIRE friend list with FB user accounts transmitted, giving access to all their likes and dislikes and other settings; this happens every time you do stuff. Except by not doing the activity or by not having friends. It is completely insane IMO to believe that delivering your friends to advertisers is the "great social experience" they keep promoting in their totally misnamed Privacy Policy. So, somehow I'll have to continue groping my way through the world without FarceBook. End of rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Anonymous Group Threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:44 PM

Anonymous and....Bruce Murdoch, ROCK! :0)