BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube

Subject: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 12:59 PM

Apparently this virago has been arrested already, and this only went viral this afternoon, with over 125,000 views today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i47HoiM0Au8

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 01:10 PM

Oh dear

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 01:27 PM

You can get arrested in Britain just for being an idiot?

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 01:39 PM

Well, it's more than being an idiot. Such rants could incite racial hatred. Also, her language was obscene (ie F***), and in public that's illegal too. Having watched it twice, I tend to feel the woman was either slightly drunk or under the influence of some drug or other. She had a bizarre delivery. I just worry about the poor little chap on her knee. What a terrible life he must lead!

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 01:47 PM

"I just worry about the poor little chap on her knee."

I imagine he was upset right then and there... scared I mean. Shocking.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: frogprince
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:06 PM

My reaction is just that it's so profoundly sad; If this isn't partly about mental illness or substance abuse, it's about hatred so severe that it amounts to mental illness in itself. Her garbage just isn't worth the attention it's getting; it's like bothering to post a diarrhea attack.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:16 PM

I know that she would have been arrested in the US and Canada for that. She probably would have got a visit from childhood protection services as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:19 PM

If I had been there, I would have tried to calm her and ask her to consider her language in front of the child. No doubt she'd have given me a clump! But it's odd that nobody seemd to speak out, except a black lady. Why do bystanders let these things go on and sit there ignoring them? It isn't trivial, it's unacceptable. We ought really to be prepared to object strongly in public to such behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:39 PM

Eliza, there is a white woman engaging her and her behavior.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:54 PM

"Such rants could incite racial hatred."

Such rants ARE racial hatred.

And I agree that she sounds drunk.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:59 PM

Definitely not drugged or stupid drunk.

More likely a set up.....15mins of fame?
Over 200,000 UKers find this interesting

Aren't we all disgusting?

Of course there are serious issues regarding immigration into the UK and scenes like these tend to trivialise them.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 03:17 PM

Trivialize? I would think that scene encapsulates them. Crazy woman telling black woman to go back where you came from. Black woman saying "who would do your work?" (meaning manual labour) Crazy woman saying "I work." Totally missing the point, while being rude to everyone and making her child suffer. That about sums up the situation in Alabama right now. And that conflict is over illegal immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 03:56 PM

That was on Croydon Tramlink - our local tram system. That hideous woman is typical of the scum to be tolerated on this wonderful transport system, and so we drive into Croydon and pay £12 for over 4 hours parking when travelling up to London.

Also note her hideous accent - another local problem. It's true to say the some of the best spoken folks around here (in English) are from Eastern Europe!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:11 PM

Goodness, I don't mind her accent, just her language and her ignorant racism. People are entitled to their local accent surely!

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:15 PM

The one lesson I learned during my years in social work is that you can't argue with mentally ill people... The woman clearly has a personality disorder, at the very least...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:18 PM

Do you think akenaton may have a point about it being a set-up? In order to achieve 'fame' on the internet? I suppose it's possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:25 PM

Certainly, Eliza. Anything is possible. Perhaps it is meant to evoke a response... a discussion of the racism portrayed... perhaps it is ment to generate advertizing revenue and she gets a cut. Maybe she is an actress... the lad is a prop to evoke sympathy.

Then again, without such conjecture, she's a piece of trash.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:27 PM

I still feel very upset and worried about the little boy on her knee. I do hope the authorities are taking some action to protect him.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:52 PM

Arrest is right

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 05:23 PM

Fantastic - we agree!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 05:50 PM

I don't know if anyone remembers but I started a thread about a similar experience I had on a local bus. I was told in no uncertain terms by some that it was not her fault. She was probably underprivalaged, dylexic, had a speech impediment or was mentaly ill. There was no way she could be a scally or racist bigot. Such things do not, apparantly, exist amongst the loud mouthed idiots that disrupt public transport every day of the week.

I guess this one must be the same.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:19 PM

You can worry about what every single unbalanced person in the world said or did today on some bus....or you can do something positive with your time instead.

This is nothing but a bunch of pointless gossip about a not very smart, angry, trashy, paranoid young woman shooting her mouth off on a bus. To arrest such a person is ridiculous....it's about as ridiculous as her own unpleasant behaviour was. The whole thing is just sad, and it's not worth having a discussion about on Mudcat or anywhere else, in my opinion.

Hell, it's a good thing they can't monitor everyone 24 hours a day...every single person in the country...every person on the street, in a bar or a restaurant, sitting at home in front of the telly, walking the dog. Can you imagine? They could arrest a few hundred thousand people easily in the first 24 hours. Maybe a couple of million. Then you'd have George Orwell's 1984 society, fullblown, and you could see how much you liked it.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:33 PM

Do we have trams in London? Suddenly I feel very out of touch.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:35 PM

This is nothing but a bunch of pointless gossip about...

And most other dicsussions here have a point?

Get a grip LH :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:37 PM

little Hawk has an excellent point.
It is not he, who has lost the plot.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:40 PM

The kid didn't appear to be upset by the mother's raving. I've a feeling he's heard it all before, and he'll hear it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Dead Horse
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:55 PM

Who was behind the camera? And why?
Nuff said, numpties.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:19 PM

"This is nothing but a bunch of pointless gossip about a not very smart, angry, trashy, paranoid young woman shooting her mouth off on a bus"

The makings of a good Homer and Jethro song are there for the takin'!

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 09:08 PM

Just what we need, smarmy preaching from a transvestite in a monkey suit telling us to find something better to do with our time. Very good point. Very good indeed, considering the source.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: gnu
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 09:30 PM

Jack? Transvestite in a monkey suit?

Please explain that to me. Please. I am asking you nicely.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 02:55 AM

I think Jack was having a stab at irony.......oh well, un point for trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 03:19 AM

The tradgedy is that poor kid will grow up knowing no better.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Silas
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 03:51 AM

This video makes me proud. This train was packed with people from ethnic minorities and probably a good many immigrants. Just look at the dignified way they behaved to this vile woman. The one lady was more concerned about the appalling language used in front of the woman's own child and hers than the racial abuse that was pouring from her mouth. Being drunk or on drugs is no excuse, in fact if that is the case, should she be in charge of a child anyway?
I know who I would rather live next door to.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:57 AM

A few good points have been made here. I take the view that some sort of personality disorder or learning disability may be at work here but I have no evidence for that other than guesswork. Yes, there is a point arresting her - at that point social services should become engaged and the welfare of the child should begin to be safeguarded. The behaviour itself is unpleasant enough but could also indicate other problems in the home. Incidentally, this is why social care agencies and the RSPCA keep in touch with each other - cruelty to and neglect of animals can indicate other social and medical care concerns. And yes, the other people on the tram (white and black) do challenge her behaviour but there's always a few minutes of 'what are we supposed to do' when there's something like this kicks off. Once it becomes clear that she's not going to stop people start to get involved. As a friend of mine from Chicago once said after witnessing a similar outburst in a Post Office, 'If these people had any brains they'd be dangerous'.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:25 AM

Good points all. I was wondering about Ake's point about the set-up, and it still could be just that, but this story confirms the arrest and names the vexed spirit. I take LH's 1984 point too, but this case could prove a positive watershed in how society deals with endemic racism spewed forth by the bigotted sector of every social class.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:27 AM

Looks and sounds like a very extreme case of Tourettes to me. The jerking head, odd mouth movements (motor tics), repetition of words and phrases, the profanity and socially unacceptable remarks. Possibly exacerbated by drug or alcohol use. Probably other behavioral conditions present.

The child on her lap, does not seem too phased by the behaviour. He is not crying nor looking particularly alarmed, perhaps because to him this is normal (mores the pity).

I hope it is not staged. What I fear is certain political groups making this woman into some kind of Joan of Arc for their beliefs. Looking at youtube you can see the video has generated loads of response videos.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:41 AM

I don't think it was staged. But it seems that there was an exchange before the filming started.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 06:28 AM

Behaviour IN PUBLIC is very important IMO. We live in a society with its norms and accepted rules etc. I'm reminded of the Fundamentalist Muslims at Wootten Bassett, who shouted out derisively during the repatriation of dead soldiers. I don't think we are in the wrong to object to such disruptive behaviour, nor to demand reinforcement of a certain standard of decency in front of others. It isn't 'trivial', it offends and inflames, and so is dangerous. Our British culture has up until now valued restraint and good manners. We may have our opinions and thoughts, but we may not shout them out and insult people going about their lawful daily business, nor use obscene bad language on public transport or anywhere else. That is the Law here, and if one doesn't respect and uphold the Law, where are we?

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 06:39 AM

Well said, Eliza

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 08:37 AM

I think there is a difference between political dissent and purely unacceptable behaviour. Decency (if you intend to contrast it with indecency) is overrated. Obscenity may be overdone but it doesn't bother me all that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 11:42 AM

So sad. It makes me wonder what has happened to this woman that she feels that she has to make such a spectacle of herself.

I just hope that someone will be watching out for the welfare of the little boy - it is disturbing that he doesn't seem to be affected by the hostility that this woman is showing or the hostility that is coming back. It is frightening to think that he could grow up accepting this as the norm.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 02:51 PM

JtS... my aplogies. I did not consider the humour you intended in a portion your post re LH. My bad.

All is fair in comedy, love and war... I always say.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jim McLean
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 03:26 PM

I notice the lady in question has benn remanded in custody. A couple of youths who stole a handbag from an old lady who subsequently died were released on bail.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 03:43 PM

Are the two incidents related?

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Acorn4
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:04 PM

Why have 3 and a half million people watched this for heaven's sake?

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: gnu
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:37 PM

People are people? Did YOU watch it? I didn't... for any longer than it took to get the gist of it... maybe 20 seconds tops.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:43 PM

I remember when "All in the Family" was a conversation starter about topics like racism. Is she the new Archie Bunker?

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:47 PM

indeed why? And why the explosion of response videos either supporting and demonising her behaviour. Why the morbid curiosity about this one sick person?

Would that the picture of a young homeless woman curled up on a concrete step with a sign saying "I have cancer and I refuse to die this way" should get as much attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:50 PM

I think perhaps that many people here are deeply worried about the tensions simmering under the surface regarding immigration, unemployment and the recession. We all need to keep calm and be careful not to incite outbursts and escalate the stresses we're all under. These islands are quite densely populated and at times anger and frustrations break out in violence and racial attacks etc. If someone loses control and lets loose a vituperative tirade of racial abuse, it could easily start others on a rampage. Many were probably horrified viewing this woman's behaviour, knowing what it could lead to. The BNP are no doubt thrilled with what she said.

Subject: RE: BS: Racist rant going viral on YouTube
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:55 PM

Interesting that she was arrested. Not to defend her in ANY way - but isn't there a park somewhere in London where folks can rant about any subject if they want to? Would that same speech have been protected if she had said the same things there?