Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne

Subject: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: GUEST,steve s
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 01:23 PM

Did Peter Bellamy record Waters of Tyne?

s

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Elmore
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 01:51 PM

I looked through his complete discography and don't find it. He did record Tyne of Harrow, but the lyrics are entirely different.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:37 PM

Don't think so - couldn't see it in a quick browse at http://www.bens.connectfree.co.uk/pb/PBDISC.HTM -Peter Bellamy discography which seems to be the most complete list to be found (from the "Wake the Vaulted Echoes" site).

There's also Reinhard Zierke's excellent list with sleeve images at http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/peter.bellamy/records/index.html - but the track-listings are immediately readable on the other one.

Ross

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Singing Referee
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 02:38 PM

According to this site he recorded it on an album called Second Wind published by EFDSS in 1985. Assuming it is the same song of course.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:00 PM

I'm sure that site has conflated another album with Second Wind - which you can read about HERE.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: NOMADMan
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:00 PM

I have the CDSS Second Wind LP here. The track list is completely different from the one appearing on the Goldilox web site and it does not include The Waters of the Tyne. Also, the website's text description of the album's contents does not match the track list above it. The web site lists 18 tracks. The LP only has 12. I don't know where that track list came from but it is not Bellamy's Second Wind. See the bens.connectfree web site (URL above)for an accurate list.

I can't find any evidence of a Peter Bellamy recording of The Waters of the Tyne.

Regards,
John

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 03:37 PM

Now you see it:-

From the Goldilox site (Singing Referee)
01          Recruiting Sergeants         
02          The Keel Row         
03          The Unquiet Grave         
04          Hear the Nightingale Sing         
05          The Drovers Dream         
06          Medley; Instr         
07          Rocking the Cradle         
08          The Jute Mill Song         
09          Johnny Lad         
10          Blow Boys Blow         
11          Down in the Coal Mine         
12          Garton Mothers Lullaby         
13          The Bells of Rhymney         
14          The Apprentices Song         
15          Jigs; Instr         
16          Homeward Bound         
17          The Waters of the Tyne         
18          The Wee Cooper of Fyfe

Now you don't:-

From the "Wake the Vaulted Echoes" site;
Year: 1985
Title: Second Wind
Artist: Peter Bellamy
Released by: English Folk Dance and Song Society in October 1985 as 12-inch LP EFDSS ES 002
Produced and recorded by: Nigel Schofield at Pennine Studios.
Tracks were: Side One: The Bush Girl, God A' Mercy Penny, The Black And Bitter Night, Fair and Tender ladies, The Exile Song, Devil Got Your Man. Side Two: Lord Randall, Abe Carmen, The Glass On The Bar, The Honest Labourer, Maria's Gone, Motherless Child.

I'd go with the latter track-listing (haven't got the LP). Could the other list be mis-transcribed from somebody else's album?

Ross

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:15 PM

Ross - that first listing appears to be The Ian Campbell Folk Group's This Is The Ian Campbell Folk Group (sleeve notes here: TITICFG).

Mick

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Singing Referee
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:44 PM

Sorry folks. Seems you can't believe everything you see on the net!!!

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 04:51 PM

Closing my eyes, & concentrating very hard, I can hear him singing it beautifully... But then again at this stage in my regime of Xmas indulgence such hallucination is to be expected.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Reinhard
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 05:30 PM

Ross, besides the chronological list of Peter Bellamy's records I also have a song index at http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/peter.bellamy/songs/index.html.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: GUEST,steve s
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 08:10 PM

I have a distinct memory hearing this in the early-mid-60s on a folk music show on WCLV Cleveland OH...never been able to track it down...just concertina and unmistakable voice

Oh, where is the boatman? Bring him to me...

s.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:15 PM

Thanks, Reinhard, that would have been much simpler to search!

I did wonder if the singer steve s heard might have been Louis Killen? Both Reinhard's site and Louis Killen's own discograpy list a 1961 album on the Prestige label with Isla Cameron, but I can't find a track-list which might indicate which one sang the song. Different concertina, different unmistakable voice?

Ross

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: 12-stringer
Date: 27 Dec 11 - 11:37 PM

The "Waters of Tyne" LP has no concertina -- just banjo or guitar by Peggy Seeger. Title track is by Isla Cameron; don't recall (my phonograph has been busted a long time) if it's a cappella or with guitar, though I believe it's the latter.

Subject: RE: Peter Bellamy Waters of Tyne
From: BB
Date: 28 Dec 11 - 03:16 PM

Just checked Peter's 'Second Wind' LP - it isn't on there, and although I have, literally, hundreds of songs recorded by him, 'The Waters of Tyne' isn't one of them.