BS: So that's why I feel like crap!

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 09:20 AM

The Newfoundland solution.

Seriously. If I were you VT, I'd add beef liver n onions and chicken livers and green peppers as regular meals. And yogurt and cottage cheese, etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 09:15 AM

VT: Take a tablespoon of cod liver oil daily. Along with low Vitamin D goes a poorer rate of calcium absorption. Therefore, I suspect you'd also need a calcium supplement. A naturopath would know the levels of each you'd require. NB Cod liver oil is now available in capsules so you don't taste it until you burp. (I grew to like the taste when I was a kid, but whether or not we liked it, our grandmother gave us a tablespoon daily whether we liked it or not. Usually that was during the winter (low sunlight months here in Canada)).

Fruits and vegetables are NOT NOT NOT a good source of Vitamin D. They are a good source of Vitamin A. Other than sunlight, the best foods for Vitamin D are fish liver oils (cod, halibut) and things like tinned salmon, mackerel and tuna. I don't know about shark liver oil or how much it contains. Also, Vitamin D production in the body by exposure to sunlight is partially dependent on skin shade.

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: maeve
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 08:49 AM

Some information here:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vitamin-d/NS_patient-vitamind/DSECTION=dosing

and here:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/424473-magnesium-deficiency-vitamin-d/

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 08:38 AM

There's a reason why they call it "practicing" medicine... Alot of folks need a lot more practice before doctorin'...

Sorry, Tam, but like others have kinda said, you're on the mend now...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 08:29 AM

Your system needs to adjust Tam.
My opinion of skimmed milk would not be allowed on the BBC. Suffice it to say, I think it's part of the Devil's work.;<)

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 08:19 AM

Last year was a very grey year. I commented here before how I thought the higher proportion of cloudy days had affected my mood. Remember I wanted to move back to the US. Didn't clock the physiological link until now. Do go out when it is sunny, but because the sun causes hive like reaction (damned methotrexate again) I have to cover up.

Didn't realise I wasn't getting enough D in all the fresh fruit and raw veg that I eat. One thing I like about UK is the accessibility of fresh tasty fruit and veg year round.

My milk intake has decreased quite a lot since moving to UK. Only have a quarter cup of skim over muesli about 3 or 4 mornings a week. Think I am going to have to force poached salmon at least once a week. Fish is a mood thing for me so this won't be pleasant.

The side effects of such high dose of Vitamin D are a bit worrying.   I already have severe nausea.

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 07:19 AM

You might well ask why then I go to the doctor at all. I ask myself the same question! I shan't be going again, unless a bit of me drops off or something!

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 07:18 AM

I recommend a contingency medneg lawyer. If you can't get the time back money would be a nice thing. Regrettably I don't know a contingency medneg lawyer I trust.

Do however check your buildings and contents insurance. You may find that your insurers have slyly added a "protect your rights" option to collect more premium. If they have, you may be insured to spend up to (typically) £30,000 suing the doctors who did not bother to have the blood test done. And the insurers will have their preferred medneg lawyers.

Garg - don't be such an offensive twat. The pain VT has been in totally precludes jogging anywhere, she's been on a walker and partly in a wheelchair. And she had no idea until now that vitamin D deficiency was a possible cause.

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 07:16 AM

This makes me so furious on your behalf, VirginiaTam. They seem so reluctant to pursue a proper diagnosis, and follow what I call a "Suck It and See" policy. In other words, to get rid of you, they prescribe something on the basis that it MIGHT work. Often these daft drugs are infinitely more harmful than whatever it is you've got. I've been told my BP is 'too high' (it's not that bad) and also my cholesterol. Who actually fixed these so-called optimum levels? Probably the drug companies. I'd be swallowing statins and BP tablets by the hundred if I'd taken any notice, at vast profit to Roche etc. Also, my young and totally indifferent doctor recently 'decided' (on what scientific basis I have no idea) that I 'might' have polymyalgia. He was busy tapping out on his computer (they never look at the patient, they look at their monitor and keyboard) a prescription for STEROIDS, which I was apparently to take for TWO YEARS! He was ever so miffed when I flatly refused without further tests. I left politely and said I'd 'wait and see'. Having lived to this age without their interference, I'm happy to take my chances thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: kendall
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 07:15 AM

VT I don't blame you for being pissed off!
Better check out what other meds don't go with vitamin D.

One of the expensive doctors at Intermed told me there is nothing they can do for leg cramps. $180.00 for that bit of wisdom.

My chiropractor suggested COQ10, and a friend said, bananas. I take both of them and for the past month, no cramps.

One of the Doctors in my past prescribed a med and he made a mistake by writing a prescription for a huge dose which could have been fatal. He said "I didn't prescribe that"!

Doctors kill thousands of us every year. The wife of a good friend of mine had diverticulitis and had part of her colon removed. She got MRSA and is in very serious condition. It has eaten away one of her vertebra and they want to install a metal rod to fuse the ones that are left together. She's 85!

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 07:08 AM

VT lives in the UK, Garg. Sunshine and Britain are not synonymous.
The further north you go in the UK the less sunhine hours we have. Scotland has a higher incidence of MS than more southerly climes. This has recently been attributed to the low sunshine hours we (don't) enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 06:39 AM

dunno about you but I'm beginning to suspect my little weasel local clinic DR
was jealous of how much fitter I was than him..


So he insisted I took blood pressure and cholesterol tablets which he assured me I needed at my age..

which may have by now over 3 years left me
shrivelled, depleted, and demoralised..????

3 years ago I was an exceptional muscular fit athletic man of 49..

now i'm f'cked and saggy and fat with limb cramps and sciatica

and can't even be bothered leaving the house...

never should have trusted Drs..

Subject: RE: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 06:29 AM

Uh-huh. There are millions of people out there being poisoned with a large variety of expensive prescription drugs, all pushed by Big Pharma, and what most of them actually need is: natural vitamins and minerals, natural foods, pure water, exercise, reduction of stress, and sufficient exposure to sunlight (which is where you get most of your vitamin D from).

Look at it this way. Now you do know what the problem is and you can deal with it. That's something to be thankful for, because you're sure better off than you were before.

But I can understand why you're angry.

I take NO pharmaceutical drugs. None. Nada. Zilch. I don't trust those people as far as I can throw a refrigerator. A naturopath (or an M.D.) can do blood tests which will determine what vitamins and minerals you are low on. You then take vitamin and mineral supplements accordingly, get sunlight, water, fresh food, and exercise. That's what animals need to be healthy. It's what people need too. Nature provides everything needed for good health, but with a very badly damaged ecosystem around us nowadays, and a very unnatural lifestyle, it's been made more difficult to get these things. Even the commercially grown fresh produce we eat is starved of various essential minerals, due to modern factory farming methods and horribly depleted topsoil.

Subject: BS: So that's why I feel like crap!
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Dec 11 - 06:02 AM

Arrgghhh

I am so pissed off with my rheumatologist. It took being referred to the pain clinic by my GP to get vitamin D defifiency bloods done. All the pain clinic doctor did was press my forearms and shins, ask me questions about sun exposure and fatigue and he decided I should have vitamin D bloods done. Sent a letter to my GP requesting this blood test. Results then sent to my rheumatologist.

Just received letter and scrip from the rheumatologist that vitamin D is very low and been prescribed 20,000 units 3 times a week for 8 weeks.   Her letter stated that this could account for some of my symptoms.

WHAT????

What a convoluted way to find out that pain, fatigue, depression, obesity, etc. may be due to vitamin D deficiency and not rheumatoid arthritis which she has said all along is atypical. Little swelling and no redness or heat in joints.

Six effing years to find this out!!! Six years poisoning me with methotrexate which has increased my blood pressure given me palpitations and angina, caused terrible nausea, made more than half my hair fall out (and it is still coming out in clumps).

I really could kill. Six years of my life wasted feeling too sick to have fun. Most energy devoted to working and not playing.

I WANT THEM BACK! And I want my hair back.