BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i

Subject: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 06:02 PM

Has the world gone mad? TOXIC WASTE THAT WILL NOT BE SAFE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS IS BURIED ON HAULBOW ISLAND OFF CORK. mean while as a result of an E.U DIRECTIVE, dwellers in rural ireland who do not have main sewers will be penalised with a septic tank inspection charge, mean while those main sewers pump raw sewage into the sea off the irish coast.UNDER THE PRETEXT OF ENVIROMENTAL CONCERN THE IRISH GOVERNMENT introduce this hastily prepared and ill thought out tax
this reminds me of the mad hatters tea party.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 06:21 PM

Gee. How do you arrange a septic tank inspection? How is it done? Is the field tested? What companies are given the contracts to do so and how are they chosen? / win the contract to do so?

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 09:00 PM

I sometimes wonder about our septic tank, and I think required inspection would be a good thing. I'm glad our well is uphill and far away from our septic tank. We have a neighbor who wasn't so lucky, and she got really sick.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 09:56 PM

Well, there are rules and regs and there are design rules. Bit too much to have mandatory inspections of properly built fields (on a regular basis???) no? Or, are we talking about ensuring the fields were properly built in the first place? In any case, there should be no charge for the government checking to see if it's job and the builders' job's were done correctly in the first place. In the second place, if it's for the public good, the government should not charge. Old fields?... maybe there is something there, but if someone's field is messed up, don't ya think they know?

Unless, of course, some asshole accountant figures there's a cash cow to milk and doesn't give a shit about who has to squirt the cash. I find the way it's being done, although I am only familiar with the above, is absolutely inane, simply by inference on my part. Indulge me, if you will.

I have said it before and I will continue to say it... engineers and builders build things. If they didn't, accountants wouldn't have anything to account for. Additionally, I think accountants and politicians should shove their sharpened pencils right up their collective .... and let engineers, builders, tradesmen, real men, build the country instead of being lackies to the dollar and the vote of the party in power. Been there, done that, got REALLY sick of it, QUIT.

Replace person(s)/women/non-sexist-term/whatever at any point you feel is appropriate in this post. I ain't got time for that crap either.

Rant over. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 01:10 AM

Sounds like a crock of shit!

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 02:00 AM

Point 1- septic tank inspection is necessary, even out in the countryside. A lot of little crocks of shit adds up to one hell of a lot. Don't forget the health implications of overflow. The inspectors have to be paid (very well I imagine), so either it's done out of general taxation, or the owner pays. If you pay sewage rates the same as drainage connected folks, you have a point for it being free at the time of inspection.

Point 2- the waste at Haulbowline is industrial waste from a steel works. The disposal in that way should have been prevented by inspectors at the time it was created. But back then, the Irish were all cock-a-hoop about how clever they were, Celtic tigers no less, and weren't going to disturb the bright shining picture of the economy, even if the shine was chromium (6) based. Industry was attracted to Ireland because places like the UK enforced regulations (bureaucracy gone mad, they told us), and we lost jobs because of it.

Point 3- the UN human rights charter includes the right to eat. If you have the right to eat, you have the right to shit. If bureaucracy prevents you from using your own facilities, it seems legitimate to use theirs. I suggest a shit-in at local government offices.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Ian Mather sans cookie
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 03:07 AM

In a former life, I sold vibration equipment for casting concrete. I was bemused by the number of companies making fibrous concrete septic tanks in Ireland (dozens of the buggers) and the number in England, (one, and sold as part of an agricultural package to customers, mainly in Ireland.)

By my reckoning, such an inspector job would be the most secure public sector job in The Republic. Even some suburbs have resisted mains sewerage as the tank fashion was, at any rate when I was involved, in the '80s, big business.

Oh, and every farm you went to in a morning; huge fry up. Every farm you went to in an afternoon; huge plate of stew. Four or five calls a day? Ah.. That's why they have so many septic tanks.....

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 04:33 AM

Point 1- septic tank inspection is necessary, even out in the countryside. A lot of little crocks of shit adds up to one hell of a lot. Don't forget the health implications of overflow. The inspectors have to be paid (very well I imagine), so either it's done out of general taxation, or the owner pays. If you pay sewage rates the same as drainage connected folks, you have a point for it being free at the time of inspection."
meanwhile city dwellers have main sewage provided free of charge,we are now paying a household charge[rural areas do not get a refuse collection]tghis is a tax that you get no service with.
Septic tank inspection should not be necessary if proper planning rules were enforced in the first place, septic tanks work very well, if all they have to cope with is sewage, waste household water should be sepoerate and drain into a soakaway.no bleaches should be used down the toilet
there are two groups that have responsibilty here the government and the local council, if the local council has given permission for the septic tank to be built and they have allowed waste household water to drain into the septic tank, that is the councils fault, they should not have given permission in the first place.
the government needs to be providing grants to upgrade people septic tanks. they should not be penalising rural dwellers with inspection charges , the inspection charge should be free.
remember this is the country that wasted 57 milion on useless electronic voting machines, that was a decision made by govern ment, that 57 miliion should have been spent on upgrading peoples septic tanks if it was needed under an eu directive.
it was not the rural dwellers of ireland that wasted 57 miliion. there are 2 culprits here local councils who allowed inferior septic tanks to be built and central government, who haveknown there was an eu directive coming for nearly 2 decades

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 06:40 AM

I'd rather have pollution from a septic tank seeping into my garden than industrial pollution contaminating the environment. It could be carcinogenic, cause birth defects, serious respiratory disease etc etc. I'm lucky to have mains sewage here in our village, but many places in Norfolk still have septic tanks. They don't seem to cause problems, a Council tanker comes when you phone, and pumps it out for you. Poo is better than toxic and dangerous chemicals!

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 06:51 AM

I think, Dick, you are confusing a septic tank with a cesspit.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 07:11 AM

no i am not, i know the differeences. a cess pit has to be emptied it has no outlet, a septic tank relies on bacteria to break the sewage down.
or were you making some obscure joke comparing irelands economic mess to a cess pit?

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 07:23 AM

'Poo is better than toxic and dangerous chemicals'

I think you need to see the whole situation in the context of the (drinking) water situation in Ireland. Most water schemes rely heavily on water from lakes and rivers and plenty of rural houses have their own water supply, from wells.

Badly maintained and poorly installed septic tanks, and there are plenty of them, are doing serious damage to the quality of the water supply and need to be sorted.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 07:37 AM

Domestic septic tanks do not work....they are a con!
A sop to the developement sector.
I am an expert on septic tanks, which worked perfectly based on bacterial digestion till the early sixties and the advent of detergents, high power bleaches, domestic water treatment with anti bacterial chemicals etc.
Septic tanks are now simply cesspits which require emptying annually.
Our countryside and river estuaries are being poisoned, because we favour housing developement over our health and the health of the sea around us.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 10:14 AM

"Badly maintained and poorly installed septic tanks, and there are plenty of them, are doing serious damage to the quality of the water supply and need to be sorted."
what statistics do you have of the number that are not working properly?
they are not doing nearly as much damage as the raw sewage that is pumped into the sea around the coasts of ireland, and the potential damage of the toxic waste in haul bowline island, is a more serious threat.      
Peter Laban please provide statistics.if you can provide statistics to back up your claims, it still does not follow, that the governments plans are the best way of tackling the situation, instead of penalising rural dwellers, they should be encouraging them with funding to improve their septic tanks, it is the responsibilty of the local councils who gave the planning permission and the government to do this is it is not the responsibilty of the home owner who has comp[lied with planning regs relating to septic tanks, this is purely a revenue raising exercise.
where is everyone supposed to find the money for this and the household charge from plus the money for water tax.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 10:19 AM

akneaton , correct, however most people in ireland who have septic tanks are not on mains water, they have their own water wells[ which they have paid for and may now be taxed on] to which no dangerous chemicals are added

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 11:45 AM

A septic tank does require periodic removal at least of solids.

See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septic_tank

And you disregard the health hazard that an unmaintained septic tank WILL (not may, WILL) cause.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 11:56 AM

'septic tank police' ???!!!???

What next? Regulators of how you wipe your ass???..Well, I guess the government can lower the unemployment rate that way...Shhh, I wouldn't want to give them anymore stupid ideas..they've managed to come up with enough of their own!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 01:28 PM

Well, FFS, Dick has already proved that he wants to poison the country with raw sewage, so I think inspectors look very necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 01:54 PM

richard bridge, w t f are you talking about.I have not said anything of the sort
you clearly know f all about septic tanks, if they are built properly in the first place, and do not take washing waters , or have bleaches put down them they work[ in my considerableexperience] very well.
at this present moment here in ireland raw sewage is being pumped into the sea, it is more of a health hazard than the waste water from septic tanks.
however if the government have to follow eu directives, they should not penalise householders but encourage them through grants to improve and upgrade their septic tanks.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 02:03 PM

From the Irish Citizens' Information Board.

Septic tanks: Leakage from septic tanks or other domestic wastewater treatment systems can contaminate drinking water. These contaminants are of particular danger to children, older people, pregnant women and people whose immune systems are compromised. The Water Services (Amendment) Bill 2011 provides for the registration, inspection and remediation (where necessary) of all domestic wastewater treatment systems, including septic tanks. It will require householders to register such systems with their local authority and pay a fee of €50 (or less), probably every 5 years.

£10 a year doesn't sound like much to worry about, a gobful of Guinness a week perhaps. You don't pay water rates (since 1997: the Celtic tiger again). Of course, if your tank fails the inspection, things might get expensive. It will be worth seeing if the inspectors have an interest in the providers of new equipment. On the other hand, it could be a suitable job for all the redundant priests now mass attendance is falling.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 05:18 PM

The really insidious thing about septic tanks, is that they give the general public the message that we care for the environment, when in fact as much pollution passes through modern septic tanks as would come from the disposal of raw sewage.

In the fifties and sixties, when I served my apprenticship,all septic tanks worked well, passing clear odourless water to the outfall.....It is at least thirty years since I have seen a septic tank which is performing its proper function.
The old septic tanks never needed emptying....the bacteria took care of all the solids. I have seen tanks which had never been touched for forty years and were still working perfectly.

I have taken this matter up with planning and building control in the West of Scotland on numerous occasions and they are aware of the problem, but rely on frequent emptying....as GSG says the effluent is then pumped into the sea at some convenient point
and the pollution continues.

Less developement means less pollution.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Jan 12 - 06:52 PM

I'm getting very worried - today I have to agree with akenaton (at least in part).

I well remember the pong of having the septic tank emptied when we lived in Australia in the 50s. I remember it from a house we had in the UK in the 70s too.

Dick, you object to people having to keep their septic tanks in order.   Any fool can see what happens if they don't.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 05:26 AM

I would suggest that we agree about rather a lot Richard.
In fact, I'm sure you could be quite a nice chap, were you not tethered to your "blind spot"

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 07:49 AM

Dick, you object to people having to keep their septic tanks in order.   Any fool can see what happens if they don't.
NO I did not , what I am saying is that this is a revenue exercise, and that the GOVERNMENT should take a different approach if they are serious about the environment.
They are clearly not concrned primarily with the environment because they have known this eu directive was coming for 15 years, but they have put it on the long finger, why did they not encourage people to have grants to upgrade their septic tanks during the boom years instead of wasting 57 million on useless voting machines. mean while we had an earh quake n donegal , supposing we have an earth quake on haul bow island, and the toxic waste escapes?that will cause more serious environmenmtal pollution.Iam not against all enmvironmenmtal problems being tackled , but they should be approached in a non confontationl way and the more pressing issues sewage into the sea and haul bow island should be dealt with first.Richard please stop being childish and tedious by suggesting that I want to see environmental pollution continue .

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 11:58 AM

A guy who lives near me has a leak in his home heating oil tank, so far four gardens dug up (they have to clear 8 foot of soil due to the leak) looks like they have to cut into the foundations of three houses. A septic tank can be a problem, but it looks nothing to this, three diggers and four lorries clearing mature gardens away is only the start of it I am told.

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 12 - 01:27 PM

Hi Ake!!! Haven't crossed paths with you, as of recent. Just thought I'd give you a 'shout-out'!

Regards!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Flash Company
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 11:03 AM

Up to the 1980's I had so-called Septic tank drainage, due to the peculiar fall of the land in my road, some of my neighbours still have. How best to describe it? The word crap seems appropriate!

FC

Subject: RE: BS: ireland septic tank police and haulbow i
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 11:36 AM

thought it was a folk concert
the septic tank police supported by haulibow (obviously a shantymen)