BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:40 AM

""Does anyone of sense really think Iran would be stupid enough to attack Israel""

I believe the suggestion is that Iran inspired operatives may attack Israeli and Jewish interests abroad in retaliation for what seems to be covert attacks against Iran (for example Iran's scientists). The suggestion is this may stir the pot up more than it is now.

IMO, war and agressive action is stupid. But, unfortunately, stupid happens, as history shows us.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 10:30 AM

From another thread: "I might be nuts buy I ain't eat up stupid!!!

Does anyone of sense really think Iran would be stupid enough to attack Israel, knowing that within 48 hours the entire country - to use Curtis LeMay's famous phrase - would be bombed "back to the stone age"?

The U.S. should tell Israel to attack if they want, but they'll be carrying on the ensuing war without U.S. support of any kind.

That MIGHT get their attention...

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:53 AM

"Still worth remembering that the only nation to have used weapons of mass destruction on a civilian population is the US."

And arguably many more lives would have lost if it had not done so - six of one.....

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 09:22 AM

"Most of the world, including many Arab countries, don't seem to be as worried about Israel's nukes as they are about Iran's"
Six of one-half dozen of the other.
Any nuclear powered state with aggressive territorial or political ambitions is to be feared, especially those influenced by religious fanatics.
Still worth remembering that the only nation to have used weapons of mass destruction on a civilian population is the US.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 08:21 AM

Signs of conflict?
Signs of conflict

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 08:15 AM

Peaceful signs from Iran?

"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this,"

"cancerous tumour that should be cut and will be cut". Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

Iran on Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 07:57 AM

"Then we'll only have the Zionist/Israeli fanatic's nukes to worry about"

Most of the world, including many Arab countries, don't seem to be as worried about Israel's nukes as they are about Iran's - except for those that would like to see Israel wiped off the map.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Feb 12 - 06:08 AM

"will be greatful when/if Israel takes out Iran's nukes."
Then we'll only have the Zionist/Israeli fanatic's nukes to worry about - look forward to the day (oh , forgot - the US has 'em too - ah, well !!!)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 06:52 PM

Most of the world, including many Arab countries, will be greatful when/if Israel takes out Iran's nukes.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 04:56 PM

If only the U.S. had the balls to tell Israel "try that, Sunshine, and there goes every cent of foreign aid you get from us"......

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Feb 12 - 04:34 PM

Last night on CNN.

Anderson Cooper

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 05:14 PM

Israel probably will if it thinks it can get away with it. Otherwise it attacks only much weaker opponents or like Japan at Pearl Harbour.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 04:09 PM

A neglected factor is that Iran's current regime has repeatedly stated that it intends to wipe Israel out.

Well, it has said that it looks forward to a time when there won't be a country called Israel on the map of the region. There isn't a country called the Soviet Union or Czecholovakia either, and there won't be one called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland either in a few years, if the Scots vote for independance. And while South Africa kept the same name, it's a very different country from apartheid days.

Names on maps aren't really the issue - it's what those names represent.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 08:10 AM

Rumble in the Gulf?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Feb 12 - 03:15 AM

UK has no aircraft carriers.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,A.E. Newman
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 10:18 PM

IDJET....

WHY would Israel attack Iran when there are THREE USA Aircraft Carriers and ONE French Aircraft Carrier and ONE UK Aircraft Carrier currently in the "Persian/Arabian Gulf?"

Iran played her "war games" NATO has responded.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 06:00 PM

Why Hasn't Israel Bombed Iran (Yet)?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 05:43 PM

Israel, Iran and the US: Axis of instability

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 05:36 PM

Israel: Iran could be nuclear within year

recent

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 10:22 AM

"Is there such a choice - news to me if there is."

When polled.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Silas
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 08:09 AM

"Oy, such a Judeao(sic)-Fascist state that the majority of Israeli-Arabs choose Israel over a Palestinian state."

Is there such a choice - news to me if there is.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 07:48 AM

From biLL's link:

"This week, the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is expected to issue a new report that officially confirms for the first time that Iran is experimenting with technology that serves only one purpose: building a nuclear bomb."

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 01:58 AM

Looking back in Mudcat, I notice that a few people here just a few years back were saying Iran wasn't building a bomb.

SURPRISE!

For all the astute people on the 'cat, many have never tried to understand the Israeli mindset. They spout about the dangers of Zionism, but allow that same sort of Zionism from other people to pass unnoticed, or worse, they defend it in others. So let me say this one more time.

Iran (a country I prefer to call Persia) is run by fucking megalomaniacs, and when they aren't running it the fucking religious idiots are. You think it's ok to have nuclear fucking bombs in the hands of people like that? Gimme a fucking break.

I expect the world will hear within the next two weeks that indeed Persia has been making a bomb. I hope that before the usuals state the same shit all over again they will consider this: Israel's existence is what's on the line, not some philosophy 101 horseshit about love your brothers and sisters because deep down they love you.

The leader of Persia has stated he wants to see Israel wiped off the map. Spin that any fucking way you want, but the bastard meant it.

You think--any of you--that a nuclear war in the mid-East will be just between Iran and Israel? Any takers on that? Jesus Christ, THINK about it. The idea of Armageddon appeals to fundamentalists--basically, stupid people. Then they can go meet God, G-d, Allah, The Big Kahuna. You see it in the USA, Israel, Iran and many countries in the Arab 'federation'. Well, Armageddon is just around the corner, and while it wouldn't bother me if the leaders and ayatollahs and people who support that type of thing would do the world a favour and drop dead, it bothers me greatly that the world will find out the true meaning of the term collateral damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Janie
Date: 01 Feb 12 - 12:08 AM

A crystal ball would be nice to have, right about now.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:58 PM

The answer to the question is "Yes"
adrien(beer)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: number 6
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:46 PM

from Der Spiegel (11/08/11)

Former Mossad Chief Seeks to Avert Israeli Attack

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 10:10 PM

And let us also hope that Iran never gets the bomb.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Janie
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 09:57 PM

What I am hearing on NPR is that USA officials are having nightmares worrying that Israel might, and also hearing on same station from Israeli commentators there are many distasteful (to the Israeli government) but real constraints that might prevent or restrain the Israeli government from doing so.

Let us hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: bobad
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 06:29 PM

Oy, such a Judeao(sic)-Fascist state that the majority of Israeli-Arabs choose Israel over a Palestinian state.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 04:18 PM

As opposed to the Judeao-Fascist state Israel has become?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: pdq
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 01:38 PM

The Jimmy Carter foreign policy era was the worst in U.S. history and Zbigniew Brzezinski was the chief architect of that dreadful failed policy. His work lead to the establishment of the IslamoFacist state that Iran has became. He is a jackass.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 31 Jan 12 - 11:02 AM

A reasoned perspective:
Zbigniew Brzezinski on Iran, 2010

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 02:49 PM

Would they dare to mine the channel? Would they get away with sinking a few ships in the channel?
Surely they know better than to try a frontal assault. The way China is progressing they just might like to have a parking lot in their back yard!

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 02:44 PM

I wonder if someone has already attacked Iran. Mysterious explosions, assassinated nuclear scientists, hacked computers vital to their project? Accidents?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: GUEST,C. Ham
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 02:39 PM

Barry Rubin is one of the most respected policy analysts in Israel. He explains why neither Israel or the United States will attack Iran.

Barry Rubin on Israel and Iran

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:59 AM

Another interesting article, with no reference to Israel:)
Is a US-Iran maritime clash inevitable?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:53 AM

Another perspective

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 11:44 AM

From Huff Post Media:

New York Times Hypes Israeli Attack On Iran

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:43 AM

LH, even paranoids have enemies. Tell us, which side/countries have repeatedly vowed the destruction of the others?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Silas
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:24 AM

"We are going to enforce that agreement."

Oh yea. Good old USofA. Putting the world to rights again

Tell you what matey, get your own house in order first eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: pdq
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 09:10 AM

Iran is a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. They signed a binding international agreement never to acquire nukes. We are going to enforce that agreement.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Silas
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:59 AM

Kendall, I agree with you.







Now that must be a first!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: artbrooks
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:55 AM

Some politician said, "trust, but verify". Personally, I don't trust unless I can verify, and the 'fact' that "virtually everyone in the world believes that Israel has nuclear weapons" means exactly nothing to me. Where is the data? When were the devices tested? In 1979 in the Indian Ocean? Prove it. IMHO, the best way for the Israelis to perpetuate this belief is to refuse to sign the Non-proliferation Treaty. Understand, I'm not saying that they do or don't have them, just that there is exactly no firm data one way or the other.

As to the basic question of will Israel attack Iran?   Israel's record over the past fifty years clearly indicates that they will not hesitate to do so if they believe an actual threat exists, and I see no reason why that should change. Given the current state of military technology, there is no reason at all that such a strike should involve nuclear weapons, and every reason to think that it can and would be very narrowly targeted.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:06 AM

Last evening on the CBS program, 60 Minutes, Leon Pinetta, secretary of defense, when asked if we would take military action against Iran, he stated "Nothing is off the table." "We will not allow them to make a nuclear bomb".

I know they are a threat to Israel, or even our own ships in the Persian Gulf, but where do we get the right to forbid them having what so many other countries have, especially their enemy, Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:28 AM

Jimmy Carter said it (Israel and nukes).


Carter

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 07:20 AM

An odd story?

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Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 04:09 AM

If Western culture is to survive, there has to be a showdown between the "cowboys" and the "indians"

I dislike the mantra of fundamentalist Islam almost as much as I dislike Western consumerist culture, but if we weigh things on the survival of humanity and the well being of the planet what side would we be on?

Western society is in terminal decline, as has befallen most powerful empires in history....perhaps Islam will save our descendents from the degradation of Rome.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 10:08 PM

Artbrooks, virtually everyone in the world believes that Israel has nuclear weapons...many nuclear weapons...including highly placed people in the Israeli government and military. That does not strike me as a myth. Israel's refusal to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty was well calculated on their part, allowing them to pursue a "don't ask - don't tell" policy, but fairly recent statements by some of their own government people have tacitly (though not openly) admitted to the fact that they do have those weapons. It's asinine to assert that it's a myth, in my opinion.

The only thing in the world that can possibly prevent Israel and the USA from attacking Iran whenever they finally decide to (aside from a sudden onset of sanity)....would be the open possession of a number of nukes and effective delivery systems for same by the Iranians. Therefore, I expect that Iran WILL move heaven and earth to acquire some nukes by any means possible, because without them they are f*cked, to put it bluntly. And they know it.

If they were to use them FIRST, they'd be even more f*cked...and they know that too. End of story.

They need nukes for the same reason Pakistan needed nukes...they have an enemy far more powerful than themselves! In Pakistan's case, the enemy is India. In Iran's case it is the USA/UK/Israeli Axis.

The Iranians, Americans, and Israelis all suffer from the same psychological disease: they cannot let go of or forgive what happened in the past. They still want to get even for what happened in the past. And that is why they are all three drifting toward a totally unnecessary and potentially disastrous war. Iran would suffer the worst in that war...but all will suffer greatly.

And for nothing.

The ultimate result of that war may well be the destruction of both the present Iranian regime and the present Zionist regime in Israel...the latter more slowly, because of the inevitable reactions and repercussions that the war will bring upon them in time.

Extreme paranoids with a pension for violence have a way of accumulating enemies...many enemies...bitter enemies...and finally too many such enemies to handle. That's what happened to the Germans in WWII. It can happen to Israel too. It can even happen to the USA. It just takes time, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 04:34 PM

""Oil from Iran and other Middle Eastern countries, except Saudi Arabia, ceased to be of any importance to the United States long ago"".

Maybe you can persuade the USA policy folks of that?
Good luck :)

When one interest squeezes on the oil balloon in one location, it has a global impact, and the impact pops out all over the place (consumers often see it reflected as price increases), whether it makes sense or not. Maybe the USA could bomb the oil speculators (on second thought, it may only strike too close to home)

Subject: RE: BS: Will Israel Attack Iran?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jan 12 - 04:29 PM

Yes, there is a Pakistan, but it is more interested in the Kashmir region and the duel here is with India.

Israel first built a nuclear weapon in the 1960s, but the Israelis maintained a policy of "ambiguity". One of their nuclear technicians told the British press details in 1986.

Israel refused to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (along with India and Pakistan, and North Korea.

It is believed that Israel has 75, but some estimates are as high as 400, nuclear warheads (various articles, Federation of American Scientists).