BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts

Subject: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:31 AM

The Coalition of Resistance has produced some excellent badges with the slogan: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts'. If, like me, you believe that the our society is being devastated by this tawdry and unmandated government and that it is sick to be spending millions to celebrate the anachronistic, socially devise and corrupt monarchy, especially in these times, you can buy your badges here and show your anger publicly:

http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:32 AM

Somehow an extra 'l' crept into the title there: oops!

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: banjoman
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:12 AM

The Jubilee is yet another attempt to hide what is really going on in this country. Just like the royal wedding - its a sop to the growing masses of unemployed and destitute. I for one will avoid anything to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:15 AM

If, however, you support the Monarchy, you will be able to get suitable badges anywhere.
I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "socially devise and corrupt monarchy" but I'm sure it's not meant as a compliment.
It would be very difficult to calculate the cost/benefit ratio for the celebration of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, but it will generate income from tourism, sale of memorabilia etc. And the feel-good factor will be another intangible benefit.

Will those supporting the coalition of resistance insist on going in to work on Tuesday June 5th?

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:21 AM

Oh dear, someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
It will bring joy to millions, and as such, I'm not about to diss it.
There are many worse things going on in this world, and many bigger wastes of money.
Like the olympics for instance.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:52 AM

I suspect the jubilee will be the usual pile of tawdry sentimental tosh, but I do think that Ms Piggy has played a good hand over the years, sometimes in times of constitutional difficulty.

I also suspect (particularly now that she pays tax) that she is a lot cheaper than a president of the USA, and given some of the idiots and thieves propelled into presidential positions around the world from time to time, one should be very careful what one wished for if planning to replace the monarchy.

I cannot see her being anything like as divisive as our present illegitimate bunch of Etonians - but I concede that her mother was a nasty fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:02 AM

"Will those supporting the coalition of resistance insist on going in to work on Tuesday June 5th?"

Well I won't.I don't see why the monarchists should have all the benefits. I may, however, be attending an 'anti-jubilee' party.

"I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "socially devise and corrupt monarchy" "

They support an anachronistic class system and inherited privilege and use their unelected influence to further their own ends.

"Oh dear, someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning"

No, I'm this grumpy every morning ;(

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:03 AM

???, Richard. Her aunt-by-marriage [& uncle too, for sure]. But her mother, the late Queen Mo? What justification for such an accusation? I remember her during the War as anything-but...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:04 AM

"one should be very careful what one wished for if planning to replace the monarchy"

I don't want to replace it, Richard, I want to abolish it - along with government and the state.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:06 AM

leveller, still don't know what 'socially devise' is meant to mean. 'Devise' what, socially? If you mean 'divisive', why not say so? You are not ignorant, is my impression ~~ however - ah - misguided sometimes, let us say!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:07 AM

BTW ~~ only one 'l' in 'jubilee'!

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:20 AM

You're right MthGM - wrong word.

"BTW ~~ only one 'l' in 'jubilee'"

See my sedcond post.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:27 AM

"sedcond"

Fuck! Having a bad eye day - might need to go to big screen.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:28 AM

Well, our little village is planning a lovely day for all ages, but especially for the children and oldsters. There will be a hog-roast, art competition, little majorettes, a maypole, nostalgic films and photos, presentations of prizes for sack races etc by the oldest inhabitants (90 and 93 yrs old!) and even a horse-drawn cart with two children dressed as HM and HRH. It finishes with a grand tug-o-war. Each child will receive a commemorative medal engraved with the name of our village and the date. I'm a member of the committee, and we're all very excited and looking forward to it tremendously. About 400 folk will be there. Where is the harm in all this?

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:37 AM

The harm in it is that I feel like throwing up when I read your post! Nothing personal you understand! I still have my Stuff The Jubilee badge from 1977. I remember marching through London chanting "Cut the jubilee, not the schools!" The whole bloody thing is a massive, cynical publicity stunt to bolster that bunch of royal parasites. Shame on anyone who stuffs it down kids' throats! It's as bad as forcing the poor little buggers to Sunday School!

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:40 AM

There are many in the Royal Family who shouldn't be there at all. There is much wrong with the system, but there is one person who is working his butt off trying to get the World to WAKE UP!

And I have a great deal of respect for him...because without our Rainforests, the Amazon in particular, we are dead, as a species....

So, let's save Prince Charles and relax a little, enjoy the Jubilee..but I agree 100% with the NO CUTS! :0)

Prince Charles at Zeitgeist Europe 2009

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:44 AM

Oh dear, such vituperative opinions. Never mind, it will all be over after a few days. Perhaps you could go abroad for the Duration?

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:45 AM

LISTEN to that speech above, Steve...then think again....

Think of the tens of thousands of young people The Princes Trust has helped through the decades, many of whom now run their own businesses, ONLY because of Prince Charles and his determination to help.

Think of Princess Diana and how she made AIDS patients 'huggable' rather than lepers...

There is good and bad everywhere..
Princess Anne does a great deal too, but because she's not 'acceptably beautiful' she's left out and not reported on.

They could sit back on their backsides and do nothing, many of them do, and those that do should be removed from everyting 'royal'...but there are some within that family, the Queen included, who have given their lives to their country, doing jobs they may not otherwise have ever done...

The Queen, even in her 80s is still out there working, working, working...I did not approve of her not paying tax, or her behaviour over Windsor Castle or Diana and some other things, but in general she has spent her entire life, since her early 20s serving this country..and maybe, just maybe, she needs and deserves some recognition for that fact...

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:52 AM

Blimey, Prince Charlie is the biggest tosser of the lot! And that much-revered new Princess or Duchess, whatever she is, of ours hasn't done a day's honest work in her life!

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:59 AM

If we're going for wrong spellings ...

Stuff the Jubbly

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:01 AM

No, he is NOT, Steve!

LEARN about what he does! LEARN about how DESPERATE he is right now, right this very moment about The Rainforest and what is happening over there....

And, for your information, I've just rung Buckingham Palace with a view to asking Prince Charles if he can somehow start to organize a Concert of 'Live Aid' proportions, here and in the USA to get people to wake UP to what is happening over there!

The lady I spoke to was lovely, sounded as passionate as me, told me how DEEPLY pasisonate Prince Charles is about this and gave me the name and address of his Private Secretary, so that I can write to him...

Brazil wants to build SIXTY fecking dams in the Amazon. The Belo Monte Dam, the third biggest in the world, is, as I write, already under construction, against massive worldwide outcry and despite many lawsuits still outstanding. They are also going against the United Nations and Amnesty International, with genocide being visited upon the Indigenous People of the Amazon who rely on The Xingu River, the main river they're diverting for this dam, for their LIVES!   Belo Monte will also be the world's most INefficient dam!!

China is after the power from all these mega-dams, they will soon be after the water too...

And I write this today from Great Britain where, just a few weeks back a DROUGHT SUMMIT was held, where DROUGHT has already been declared in the South of England and where shortly 1 in 3 households will be facing a hose-pipe ban...

China's dam, The Three Gorges, is the biggest in the world and it is causing HUGE environmental problems, massive droughts being one of them....

Prince Charles is working his backside off to change this, to stop this, to get people to realise that this is the single most important issue ON THE PLANET

Tell me...what the FUCK are you doing about this??????????

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:07 AM

Did you know he HAD a Rainforst Project going? Did you know he brought in masses of famous people to help?

Probably not, because all his life long he's had to battle against a Media which portrays him as a plonker, when, of all the Royal Family, Charles is probably the one who thinks more deeply about this planet than all the rest of them put together...

Do not think this problem is not real...it is VERY REAL and it is STARING us ALL in the face, but we are all so fooked up now that we carry on arguing over petty things which do not matter, rather than coming together to save the very thing which enables us to survive, as a Species...

Hymn to the Rainforest - From The Prince's Rainforest Project

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:09 AM

Wikipedia on the Duchess of Cambridge ~In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw. She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes

These seem to me to be perfectly 'honest' occupations, Steve, productive within the economy, requiring as much dedication, effort and application as any non-manual form of labour, and in no way to be contemned. What on earth did you mean by your ill-natured and impertinent observation above? Or is only something done by horny-handed socialist-voting sons-of-toil 'honest' work in your lefty-wanker vocabulary? In which case, be off and commune with yourself and the rest of you selfrighteous pillocks over there; and stop boring the rest of us into coniptions, please.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:22 AM

Actually I think that Big-ears' heart is in some respects in the right place even if he does not always think things completely through.

Some other parts of his anatomy however I gather had uses that were not circumspect.

Queen mother?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/3502343/Queen-Mothers-political-influence-over-George-VI.html

http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2309/full


There are many anecdotes about her ready acceptance of privilege and scorn for those who had not benefitted from it.

Subject: LyrAdd: Stuff the Jubillee
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:08 AM

As this is primarily a music site:

STUFF THE JUBILEE
Nigel Parsons (Thoughts articulated below are not necessarily those of the author!)
Tune (As if you need to ask):Battle Hymn of the Republic

Co'lition of Resistance, they say "Stuff the Jubilee"
Anything the royals do is not for you and me.
The Queen makes lot of money, and all of it Tax Free
Vive la the revolution.

        Hurrah; Hurrah; say "Stuff the Jubilee"
        Hurrah; Hurrah; let's end the Monarchy
        I can't improve my standing, so drag others down to me!
        Vive la the revolution.

Charlie boy's a ******, and they say he talks to trees.
Philip does just what he wants, and says just as he please.
Why should I pay taxes to support the likes of these?
Vive la the revolution.

Edward (VIII) was a dilettante who couldn't stop the war
Abdicated just in time; with Wallis, who's a divorcee*
Nobody can tell me what the Monarchy is for,
Vive la the revolution.

Maybe we're fools, rushing in where angels fear to tread.
Michael Fagan was a man who saw the Queen in bed.
Maybe 'Froggies' got it right, It's "Off with every head!"
Vive la the revolution.

* I'm sure I could have made this rhyme/scan, the mot juste escapes me

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:27 AM

Charlie-boy is a bully, like his father, who uses his position and influence to get his own way (as in the Chelsea Barracks debacle). The Windsors have a large and well-oiled PR organisation which constantly pumps out disinformation about what a good job they are doing. But what is that job? They have no job descriptions, undergo no scrutiny and no appraisal of what they do. As to their working hard – do they work harder than nurses, street cleaners, care workers.....etc.? Mark Bolland, former press secretary to Charlie, is on record as saying: "the Windsors are very good at working three days a week, five months of the year and making it look as though they work hard".

Lizzie, Charlie may have causes he espouses and he could continue to do this even if the monarchy was abolished. But there are many 'unsung' people and organisations that work far harder. One example! At this moment I'm doing some work for an organisation you'll never have heard of that creates microfinance for underprivileged people and small businesses across the world, providing the small loans they need to continue the work that feeds themselves and their families, but which aren't available elsewhere. So far, this organisation has raised in excess of £500 million from individual 'ethical' investors (who will see only a small return of, say 1%, if any at all). This has enabled them to help over 26 million people, especially empowering women and generating fair trade. But, like I said, unlike young Mr Windsor, you won't have heard of them.

The point is that the monarchy is unelected, unaccountable and unnecessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:35 AM

Richard ~ Thanks for links re Queen Mother. Can find not a jot or scintilla of anything anywhere within them which would justify an accusation of 'fascism' within any meaningful sense of the word whatever. Interested you fall back on the word 'anecdote': an accusation 'anecdotal' in the extreme, it seems to me.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:43 AM

Isn't it nice to live in a country where we can spout our prejudices in public, and not fear the early morning, knock on the door. How unlike those lucky totalitarian socialist republics, around the world.
I say, hands up who wants to go live in China?
All those in favour say, Ai Weiwei.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:58 AM

Sorry, John, who said anything about totalitarian socialist republics? Not me! I am not a totalitarian or a socialist - and only loosely a republican in that I'm anti-monarchy.

And, the way things are going (see thread about the olympics) I wonder how long we'll be able to spout our 'prejudices' (by which, I presume you mean 'opinions')in public or anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:19 AM

Spouting my "prejudices" about unilateral nuclear disarmament in the 1980s got my phone tapped. The police in Loughton also "secretly" filmed us at our weekly CND stall from the roof of the police station. No room for complacency. Just because I was paranoid it didn't mean they weren't out to get me.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:21 AM

Actually, levels, I wish Charles were king. I love the way he now speaks out about things which upset him..and having looked at the Chelsea Barracks info, good for him! He loathes modern architecture, so if he found out that the architect involved was going to build a bloody great monstrosity on the site, well done for him writing to the Qatar Royal family about it.

That's not bullying, for heaven's sake...

If they then backed down, not wanting to upset him, great! The world has one less hideous building to worry about.

Charles is a great believer in ugly architeture affecting how people feel. He loves beauty, and there's nowt wrong with that..

You're doing great work too..and like Charles, I wish everyone got to hear about more of it. Sadly, the media only like to paint him as a numpty, so I've no doubt he gets as frustrated as you at times.

I recently found a video where he was saying that he thought one of the reasons he'd been born into the life he has was so that he could do good things, try and spread good messages about.

Personally, I think he'd be far happier living an 'ordinary' life, with an allotment and a pretty garden....but even if he 'walked away' from being Royal he'd still be hounded and belittled...

Great shame..because his heart is most definitely for this planet, for its' future, for his children's future, and for the future of your children too....

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:51 AM

Big-ears was totally right about Chelsea barracks.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:57 AM

Well if you don't have a monarchy what do you have instead?
Before you mention presidents, go look up what it costs the US in security cover for presidents, past and present. They still have security even after they leave office you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:16 AM

Lizzie and Richard, regarding Chelsea barracks, that was just his opinion. Others thought differently. He's entitled to his opinion but not to use his position and influence to put it above anyone else's. That IS bullying, just as much as a big boy in the playground beating up a smaller one in order to say what game is played. There have been many more instances. The only way to beat a bully is to stand up against him - and that's what people should be doing with Charlie.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:51 AM

John, as I've said somewhere else (can't recall where just now)I want to abolish the monarchy, not replace it. I also want to abolish central government and the state, so there would be no need for a head of state.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 12:48 PM

I dunno - seems to me someone responsible for a bloody monstrosity like Poundbury should have a little more humility when he's giving it large about architecture.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 02:08 PM

Well that won't work.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:08 PM

Mmmm - Not sure. As much as I think too much is made of the posh bint at buck house and her loony offspring I must admit that they do seem good for tourism. As I think I have suggested before it could be FAR better managed though. Imagine if Disney got hold of it! Now, that would be a money spinner :-) As to teh Jubbly - Well. it ain't their fault. It aint ours either so, lets just make the most of it and get pissed with the rest of the rabble...

As to the architecture bit. Well, after all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Why should I take more notice of Charlie boy than anyone else when, at the end of it, I am quite capable of deciding what I like for myself. Unlike some people.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:26 PM

Well yes.....but its when you see Poundbury - you can see what he's got in mind for all of us. A sort of amalgam of Clough Eliis and Albert Speer - really iredeemably vulgar and out of place in Dorset counytryside - then you realise he's got a real bloody cheek to be slagging off proper architects who are no doubt working in a very restricted way, in tight economic conditions.

I don't know any architects persoanlly. But I think they've made a better job of the rest of England than he has with a massive budget, and complete artistic freedom.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:03 PM

So the Royal Riffraff attract tourists, huh? This load of predigested nonsense is trotted out year after year, mostly by apologists for the royal parasites. Well, it ain't true. Only one royal residence makes it into the top 20, and royal residences contribute less than 1% of tourist revenue. http://www.republic.org.uk/What%20we%20want/In%20depth/Tourism/index.php

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:22 PM

MtheGM wrote: Wikipedia on the Duchess of Cambridge ~In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw. She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes

These seem to me to be perfectly 'honest' occupations, Steve, productive within the economy, requiring as much dedication, effort and application as any non-manual form of labour, and in no way to be contemned. What on earth did you mean by your ill-natured and impertinent observation above? Or is only something done by horny-handed socialist-voting sons-of-toil 'honest' work in your lefty-wanker vocabulary? In which case, be off and commune with yourself and the rest of you selfrighteous pillocks over there; and stop boring the rest of us into coniptions, please.

Well, you managed to "accidentally" leave out the bit at the end, didn't you? For clarity, here's the whole wiki entry, including the somewhat sorry bit you didn't feel you wanted us to see:

Career
In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw.[24] She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes with photographer Mario Testino, who had taken several well-known photographs of Diana, Princess of Wales and her sons.[25] Testino later denied that Middleton was going to be working for him.[26]

Not much of a "career", then, was it! Bitty or what! By all means supply partial information in order to convince us of your view, but I might suggest that, in so doing, you would be well advised to leave the contumely at home.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:46 PM

No, Big ears was right about Chelsea Barracks. What went on next was not a lot better, but he was right. Thank goodness he was able to defeat the forces of Mammon even if only for a moment.

Poundbury, unlike vainglory architecture, returns building to a human scale. It may not be perfect but the concept is right. It reminds me a lot of the estates still respected today created by the Victorian philanthropic capitalists.

His poncey groceries, while expensive, also have a lot to recommend them and the "Duchy Originals" beer is nice too.

And he had the good taste to drive a beautifully restored Lagonda rather than an Aston.   

Far too good a man for St Diana the martyr.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:52 PM

PS - now which of the 3 Degrees did he invite to dinner - only to insist that she called him "Sir"? Now that was unforgivable.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:03 PM

By the way, M the GM. Some stuff from the net:

"Perhaps the most interesting example is the Queen Mother, regarded by many as a stalwart in the fight against German Fascism. In fact she was an advocate of appeasment and a Hitler sympathiser and it has been suggested that she was so bigotted and prejudiced that she had to be prevented from giving interviews until she (finally) popped her clogs."

"The Queen Mother was a racist snob who excelled in extravagant living. Amid all the grovelling, hypocritical tributes paid to her this week, here are some facts to remember. The Queen Mother referred to black people as "nig-nogs" or "blackamoors". She backed white minority rule in Rhodesia. She criticised Lord Mountbatten, viceroy of India, "for giving away the empire" and his wife because "her mother was half-Jewish".

She opposed immigration, and thought black Africans incapable of running their own countries. The media call her the "nation's favourite granny", but she enjoyed luxury beyond most people's wildest dreams. The Queen Mother squandered millions on vintage champagne, racehorses and parties. She had five homes, including a Scottish castle with 25,000 acres worth £20 million."

""It is easily forgotten now, but Elizabeth was one of the staunchest supporters of appeasing Adolph Hitler. She bent over backwards to use her influence to stop Britain going to war against the Nazis, and she saw Churchill as a dangerous ally of her brother-in-law Edward. When Chamberlain returned, famously, with Hitler's meaningless promise that he would not provoke a war, Elizabeth made the constitutionally
unprecedented decision to appear alongside Chamberlain on the Buckingham Palace balcony, thus putting her personal stamp of approval on the obscene policy of appeasing fascism.""

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Monckton.html

I can go on, but I don't really need to.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:39 PM

By the way, MtheGM, man of clever words, if you're going to use "conniptions" fer chrissake spell it right!

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:11 AM

coniption fit
        When a person goes into a fit of rage, such as a spaz attack. Urban Dictionary ~~~

Obviously one of those words with permissible alternative spellings. 'Bitty' a subjective view re Kate's career; but you were right about 'accidental': I hilited ineptly; but can't see where the part I left out so much of a knockdown argument for you; she went on developing presumably, even without the the o-so-obviously indispensable auspices of whoever it was.In fact, looking again, it is ambiguous anyhow ~~ could be read that she took some classes with him, but did not subsequently continue to work with him. Suggest you read it again. Anyhow, surely even a 'bitty' career is no justification for emotive & tendentious assertion that someone has never done an honest days work in her life.

Richard ~ thanks for link re Queen Mother. Who the author? How he purport to know her, & her innermost thoughts, so well & intimately? I do not deny force of info offered, but merely curious as to source.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:15 AM

Sorry ~ posted too soon: was going to add that the link to Ind On Sunday piece didn't do much to answer above ?s, or provide much info re this missing Box #whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 03:53 AM

M the GM. I didn't check the writer's background. I just googled for Queen Mother Fascist and lots of separate items came up.

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 04:46 AM

If you google my name, you'll find I am a fascist too, as someone keeps putting me on that website which is supposed to identify NF [or whatever they are called now] members ~ a Catter, I suspect, from some of the info given; with some pix copied from another online site of me and my late first wife taken at the E Anglian Writers' Forum 2005 ~ so now out of date. I used to take the trouble to email and get it taken down, but it kept reappearing; haven't bothered lately so it's probably still there.

Anyhow, if I were you I shouldn't believe everything I find on google. Have you tried googling "Richard Bridge, fascist"?

Best

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:10 AM

Al, I so agree about Poundbury, it's an utter joke - especially the fire station, described in The Grauniad as 'Parthenon-meets-Brookside'.

But whatever one thinks about individual Windsors is really beside the point - which is that the monarchy, for so many reasons, has no place in modern society. I, for one, am no-one's 'subject' and I find all the lickspittle grovelling totally nauseating.