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Subject: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:50 AM A suspect is shooting it out with police. The attack on the school was an horrific event even for these times. He seized the pretty seven year old by her hair and put a gun to her head. It jammed and she had to wait while he drew out a second weapon. The depth of hatred that would drive someone to kill innocent children without compassion is blood chilling and terrifying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 21 Mar 12 - 04:30 AM Tragic, always sad when children become involved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP2SHHfcyXw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 21 Mar 12 - 06:11 AM The gunman involved in a standoff with police in the French town of Toulouse has been named as Mohammed Merah. Merah, who is believed to be responsible for killing four people at a Jewish school this week, is holed up in a house in the Croix-Daurade district of the city. Merah had spoken to police through the door and had declared he was a "mujahideen" with links to al Qaeda who wanted to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children in Israel. The 24-year-old Frenchman of Algerian origin earlier threw a pistol from the window of the house in exchange for a "communication device". Enough said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 21 Mar 12 - 07:09 AM Just waiting now for someone to blame Israel. Come on guys. Who's going to be first? You know you want to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 21 Mar 12 - 07:22 AM Come on Chris, sure they don't kill people for nothing ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: John MacKenzie Date: 21 Mar 12 - 08:48 AM There is NO good reason(or bad,for killing ANYBODY! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 21 Mar 12 - 08:50 AM We're having a minute's silence on Saturday Night as it's Toulouse who're visiting the North Wales Crusaders at Wrexham in the Challenge Cup. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Rapparee Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:05 AM This happened two days ago. The weapon which was used to kill the Rabbi and the children was also used to kill four paratroopers and others in France. Where you guys been? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:10 AM The detail of how the little girl died was released just before the siege began today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Rapparee Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:19 AM This was a sick scenario from the beginning. But then, all such are. Too bad the French no longer guillotine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:19 AM The man, named as Mohammed Merah, 23, a Frenchman of Algerian origin, has said he belongs to al-Qaeda. He had been tracked by French intelligence for "several years".He should moved to the UK, he would have been safer here. Police are negotiating with the man, who is still said to be armed but says he may give himself up this afternoon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Rapparee Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:32 AM I think that there are all sorts of sociopaths who are claiming to be "Al-Qaidh" now. It's a convenient label which says, "I did thing in the name of Islam." But I'll wait and see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:38 AM He trained in Pakistan and fought in Afghanistan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Mrr at work Date: 21 Mar 12 - 05:00 PM So why is he killing Arabs *and* Jews? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: pdq Date: 21 Mar 12 - 05:44 PM The secular security forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan are target #1 for Islamists. They want the people to be afraid to join them. They will kill anyone who stands in the way of an Islamic "republic" which is waht we have in Iran. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:05 AM So why is he killing Arabs *and* Jews? The Arabs he killed had served in an infidel crusader army. The Jews were killed because they were Jews. He said he wanted to upload his video of their deaths. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:27 AM On Sky News, he referred to these servicemen in Iraq http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/12/iraqi-citizen-murders-servicemen-suspects |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:32 AM "What "we" have in Iran"? Surely what "they" have in Iran. A dreadful system - but the Iranians chose it. It seems inherently improbable that this god-bothering nutter would have been safer in the UK, remember de Menezes? The French police don't seem to have been doing a very good job, do they? Why was the suspect not arrested and charged years ago? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:42 AM There is nothing on Sky site about that Guest. I think you made it up. Are anon. Guests allowed below the line again now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:44 AM They differ from the British police Richard. Menezes was a good example of British police/army policy, many similar examples can be found of this in the North of Ireland. French police are taking the time to talk to this chappie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:49 AM Oh yes. French police are soooo restrained compared to ours! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 22 Mar 12 - 05:53 AM Sky News ran this story this morning how Merah made reference to British soldiers murdering people in Iraq. I don't understand Keith, are you saying you haven't saw it on Sky News, or are you saying British soldiers did not murder these people. Yes Keith, guests are, read link. http://mudcat.org/member/EntryForm.cfm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 06:55 AM All the news agencies get the same information from French Security. I do not believe you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 22 Mar 12 - 06:59 AM French gunman has allegedly been killed after a siege lasting 31 hours, say media reports. Keith, I could not care less if you believe me or not. Please admit British soldiers were found guilty of murdering innocent people in Iraq and the North of Ireland. The facts are to be found in the links above. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:17 AM I think if Sky had an exclusive scoop it would be on their site. I think other agencies would also have picked it up by now. You are a liar. You lie. Why? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:03 AM Keith, it is not a lie. Here is the link to the story. British soldiers were charged with murdering innocent people. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/12/iraqi-citizen-murders-servicemen-suspects |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:09 AM You lied about hearing it on Sky today. You lied that Mohammed Merah mentioned it. You lied. Why did you? Why are you SO desperate to implicate and smear Britain? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:32 AM Here's a summary of what Al Jazeera has to say about the death of the suspect: A man suspected of killing seven people has died after a raid by French armed police on an apartment in the city of Toulouse. Heavy gunfire lasting several minutes could be heard on Thursday as police entered the apartment of the suspect, named as Mohammed Merah, after a 32-hour standoff, Al Jazeera's Jacky Rowland reported. Claude Gueant, France's interior minister, said the suspect had emerged from the bathroom of the apartment and started firing at police as they used a video camera to check each room of the upper-floor apartment. He then jumped out of a window. "The forces used video to inspect rooms inside the apartment, and there was no sign of the man, who stayed in his bathroom. When they started to inspect it he came out of the bathroom shooting with ferocity that those at the scene had not seen before," Gueant said. Heavy gunfire was heard as police officers entered into the flat of suspect Mohammed Merah [EPA] "In the end, Mohammed Merah jumped from the window with his gun in his hand, continuing to fire. He was found dead on the ground," he added. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: EBarnacle Date: 22 Mar 12 - 10:33 AM BBC News on National Public Radio has stated that he died of a gunshot wound to the head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: gnu Date: 22 Mar 12 - 01:48 PM Either way, it was too good for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Teribus Date: 22 Mar 12 - 02:03 PM Hi Keith I would say that judging by his english comprehension skills our Guest is probably Christmas, but there again probably not his grammar is lamentable. "are you saying you haven't saw it on Sky News" "haven't SAW it" - FFS Suspected off doing something does not mean that you DID IT. "British soldiers were charged with murdering innocent people." And the verdicts were? I mean if they WERE charged they must have been tried, and if they were tried then there must have been a verdict. Please get back to us when you have details of those verdicts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Jim Carroll Date: 22 Mar 12 - 03:38 PM "our Guest is probably Christmas" Do not use an apalling incident in which children have been slaughtered by a religious nutter to take a pop at me - you pair of sick bastards. I am not part of this thread and if you start stalking me I'll report both of you. Back into your cess pit you sick shits. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Mar 12 - 03:46 PM Yes, there has been an update at Al Jazeera from what I posted this morning above: ""In the end, Mohammed Merah jumped from the window with his gun in his hand, continuing to fire. He was found dead on the ground," he added. Francois Molins, a French prosecutor, said Merah was killed after being shot in the head by sniper. Molins said: "Weapons and ammunitions were recovered from scene of the siege and also materials for making Molotov cocktails." "Everything was done to keep him alive, but he resisted and fired at police as he tried to escape through the window," he said." Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Van Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:21 PM If the French security services had him under surveillance how the hell did he have the armoury they describe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 22 Mar 12 - 07:57 PM Sadly, I guess parents of Jewish schools in Britain will be looking for tighter security for their kids. Can't blame them. Rather than having a pop at each other, 'chatters might be better employed keeping half an eye out if any of us live near synagogues or Jewish faith schools. Hopefully this was a one-off but it feels to me like the beginning of a potentially dangerous period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Mar 12 - 03:02 AM "Religious nutter" Jim? His actions are abhorrent to the majority of Muslims. To blame it on his religion is Islamophobic of you. He was not a nutter. Breivik was a nutter, acting out his mad fanasies on his own.(you had plenty to say about him.) Merah was an Islamist. As such his behaviour was sane and rational. He was receiving guidance from other Islamists. They know killing little children hurts us most. As you know Hamas like to time their rockets to catch the school run. Before the wall, suicide bombers in Israel would seek out buses with children on board. Every school in Israel has barriers to stop vehicles crashing in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Mar 12 - 03:09 AM In London on 21/7 one of the bombers positioned himself next to a mother and child before attempting to detonate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Mar 12 - 05:13 AM From Sky News today. (Are you listening Guest?) He claimed he carried out the shootings to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children and to protest against the French army's involvement in Afghanistan, as well as a government ban last year on face-covering Islamic veils, officials added. http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16193987 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Jim Carroll Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:10 PM "Merah was an Islamist. As such his behaviour was sane and rational." Are you sayiong that all Islamists go around slaughtering children or that the Isslamic doctrine tells them to do so - don't want to get into a debate about it, just like to know? BTW - the Norwegian authorities have decided that if there's a second opinon which contradicts the orginal findings of Breivik's state of mind, he will be charged as a criminal http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020980/Norway-set-declare-Anders-Behring-Breivik-legally-sane-stand-trial.html Can't guarantee the accuracy of the report - the press does tend to tell lies!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: MGM·Lion Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:20 PM .,,. Jim ~ Muslims in general: no of course not. But Islamists, yes ~~ your question is in a sense tautologicel, because Isalamist/Islamism is the designation used for [members of] that militant wing whose mission is precisely to do such things; that is what "Islamism" means and what "Islamists" do. It must not be confused with "Islam", tout simple. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Jim Carroll Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:28 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: kendall Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:32 PM There is a post on Facebook that Fox noise put out false info. Anyone have that link? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: MGM·Lion Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:39 PM Thank you, Jim. It is not a simple matter, indeed; but I see little in that wiki article to contradict or discount, for practical purposes in the current situation, the distinction I made above as a useful working basis for discrimination between the militant & non-militant wings of current Muslim thought and policy. I think it is one which would appeal to those Muslims who are vehemently opposed to the activities of groups like alQaeda, AbuNidal, & so on, who would no doubt embrace the designation "Islamist"; but whose protests tend to the ineffectuality of all such well-meaners in the face of militaristic determination. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Jim Carroll Date: 23 Mar 12 - 12:52 PM There's a tendency to dangerously over-simplify and give the impression that "all....." etc - which is, to my mind, the source of all extremism. Still trying to work out how/why Breivik is mad and can't be counted as a Christian killer yet..... Funny old world! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 23 Mar 12 - 04:27 PM Jim, I said that the actions of the Islamist were abhorrent to most Muslims. I agree with MtheGM that "Islamist" is now taken to mean a militant extremist. Still trying to work out how/why Breivik is mad Because the specialists appointed by the court examined him and studied him and pronounced him to be. Perhaps you know better? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Jim Carroll Date: 23 Mar 12 - 04:43 PM "Perhaps you know better?" No - but the Norwegian authorities do, which is why they intend to try him as a criminal. The original verdict was challenged by numerous experts in the field Anybody who kills for religious or political reason is mad These killings are identical; the only difference being the body count - If one is mad, both are. "I agree with MtheGM" I don't For the sake of everybody else on this thread this one-to-one is now over Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:26 AM I do not seek "one to one" debate. Join or abstain as you will, like anyone else Jim. The court has yet to decide if it will accept the finding of the team of psychiatrists. A special hospital unit is being prepared in the expectation that it will. Breivik acted out his deranged fantasies alone. Merah acted as a member of an Islamic group with the same aims, and received training, support and guidance from them. They can not all be mad. Nor can all the 9/11 hijackers and their trainers and controllers. Or the London 7/7 and 21/7 bombers. Or the Milan and Bali bombers. Or the Mumbai attackers. Or the shoe bomber or liquid bombers. The Nigeria church bombers. All Islamists doing what normal Islamists do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:51 AM "There is a post on Facebook that Fox noise put out false info. Anyone have that link?" I saw it Kendall. I'm very suspicious, I don't think that even Fox would be so gormlessly stupid as to spell Toulouse "Toolooz". Methinks I detect the smell of the shit of a Photoshop Rat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: MGM·Lion Date: 24 Mar 12 - 07:57 AM '"I agree with MtheGM" I don't' ,..,., ~~Why not, Jim? All I postulated was the current usage of a word, both among those who are its referent and those who refer. Words mean what they mean ~ not what holders of partisan preconceptions think they ought to mean. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Toulouse killings From: bobad Date: 24 Mar 12 - 08:11 AM Tarek Fatah: Muslim vs. Islamism |
