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Subject: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Greg F. Date: 29 Mar 12 - 06:51 PM Once again, for the benefit of folks who want to discuss the topic, which I think is an important one, here's a place. I will ignore Bruce entirely from here on out, so am in hopes this thread will not get closed as well. Thanks- Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:12 PM Funeral director said he saw no signs of being in a fight on Trayvon's hands. Where are Trayvon's clothes and why haven't they been tested for powdwer burns......or have they? Where are the clothes Zim was wearing? Where is the documentation of the "wounds" which Zim suffered? Seen a map and pix of the area? How does Zim's statement stack up? (it doesn't) Can someone make a realistic case about how a man of Zim's size was overwhelmed by Martin to the point that he had his arms pinned to the ground and being beaten with TM's fists? And from that strange position how did Zim manage to get to his gun or if TM got it, how did Zim take it away from that position? You can make a list a mile long like this. Perhaps they are holding it all but isn't it time to bring this to a head before it boils over even more than it has? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:29 PM Zimmerman clains his nose was broken... Footage on tonight's news don't substantiate that claim... Fishy story... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:32 PM Music content: Bruce Springsteen is singing "American Skin (41 Shots)" in his current tour. He wrote the song in response to the 1999 killing of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed black man mistakenly suspected by police. Video and lyrics on Springsteen's website from his Tampa, Florida, performance on March 23, 2012. At his show in Philadelphia this week, he dedicated the song to Trayvon Martin. Mudcat thread on the song ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:36 PM To find previous thread(s), look for "BS: Killed for Being Black? #2" and "BS: Killed for Being Black? Florida today". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: gnu Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:41 PM I wish a mod would combine these threads. And, the conjecture is not necessary. What is necessary is that Z be tried in a court of LAW. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 29 Mar 12 - 07:55 PM Wow, Becky... We were in Blowing Rock, NC today and I went into a record store looking for Bruce's new CD, "Wrecking Ball"... The owner didn't have it but said she would try to get by the time we go back home tomorrow on our way home... I'd bet that song is on this CD... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 29 Mar 12 - 08:32 PM WHAT GNU SAID!! If he is innocent, how can a trial by jury hurt him? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 29 Mar 12 - 09:51 PM Bobert, checking his website, it looks like it's not on the new "Wrecking Ball" cd. He must have added "American Skin" to the show in response to the event. The only recording of it is on "Live in New York City", from 2001. If he is innocent, how can a trial by jury hurt him? Well, I don't know that that strictly follows, but I agree a trial is needed. The question is whether this case can cause any reexamination of the larger issues - of this particular case and in our society at large: - why are black men/boys automatically suspect? - why are there failures at "equal protection" and "due process"? - How can "Stand Your Ground" be enforced without making it "License to Kill"? - How can gun ownership rights be reconciled with the human tendency toward idiocy? (Sorry, didn't know how to put that last one fairly.) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Mar 12 - 11:16 PM "If he is innocent, how can a trial by jury hurt him?" Innocent versus not guilty.......not to mention the number of people who have been freed from DNA evidence after being found guilty of a crime they did not commit. Or the mentality of the community and the newspapers/press/news people in combo push to convict the person THEY believe is guilty.....think Sam Sheppard back in the 50's. But yeah.....We need to see whatever the case evidence is and what a jury will do with it , at least the system moves on. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: katlaughing Date: 30 Mar 12 - 12:07 AM I have stayed out of these threads partly because I knew how they would devolve, but mostly because my grandsons are thirteen, mixed race with their dad's tightly curled black hair and build. My daughter gets teased about her "bodyguards" because they are as tall as she is and large-boned, plus their voices have deepened. I am grateful they live in a mixed ethnicities/races/etc. area, but this kind of thing is very worrisome for a grandma, esp. living so far away. I know they are kept off the streets, etc., but what happens when they get older? Their dad was stopped, years ago whilst driving home from work in his own car. The cops first question to him was "whose car are ya drivin'? Where d'ya get it?" Here it is so many years later and still...I just shake my head and try not to cry. A church here has a marquee that says "Take back America!" I commented on it to Rog (I told this in some other thread, apologies if you've already heard it.) He got so angry about it and said it's just their way of cloaking their racism, of basically saying "we don't want a n****r in the White House." I think he is right in his assessment and I see it everywhere, though here it is also aimed at Hispanics. May the justice in this case be swift and fully exposed for all to see. And, yeah, when our President said that could have been his son, I thought, "yeah, could be one of my grandsons." The only way I can cope with that is to focus on the Now and give thanks for a better world, right here, right now. This or something better for the highest good of all concerned. Thanks for listening and Spaw, thanks for your points. My thoughts exactly. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 30 Mar 12 - 01:20 AM Kat, that is way too close to home. My link above on the words "automatically suspect" is a tumblr entitled "I Could Be Trayvon", set up for people to post examples of racial profiling experiences like your son-in-law's. ... Tally of 'stand your ground' cases rises as legislators rethink law (Tampa Bay Times) A Tampa Bay Times survey, compiled from 31 Florida newspapers and public records, shows that the number of cases in which "stand your ground" has been invoked has climbed dramatically in the past year and a half. The analysis shows that police and prosecutors continue to apply the law unevenly. There are some horrific examples of cases given in the article. I need to find some of the reasoning for why people felt the legislation was needed in the first place. ... There are several recent editorials against the law, and I'm seeing op-eds for it, but not seeing any arguments that I find particularly convincing. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Bluesman Date: 30 Mar 12 - 03:17 AM I think we should allow the law to decide on this case, not us. http://www.dividedstates.com/black-teen-in-florida-kills-two-white-students-in-cold-blood-no-outrage-and-no-apology-from-obama/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Mar 12 - 08:00 AM AMEN, Bluesman!!! Besides, with EVERYBODY yakking about it, as if forced fed, from the politically activated media, do you think that the defense would move to have it dismissed...because they couldn't find an impartial jury? Yap yap yap! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Wesley S Date: 30 Mar 12 - 08:15 AM Other headlines from Bluesman's "Divided States" website: Maxine Waters – Demon Posessed or Just a Misguided Communist Racist? Is Barbara Boxer an Over the top Condesending, Power Hungry Feminist, Environmentalist Liberal? Stanton Peele – Delusional Hack or Brilliant Psychologist? Should we ask The Tea Party? Democrats Admit They Can Not Win Wisconsin Recall Election Without Fraud, Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler Michele Bachmann: ACLU is running the CIA, Obama no friend of Israel, verge of world wide nuclear war Madonna Accused of Performing Satanic Ritual During Superbowl Halftime Show Obama is No Ronald Reagan! If Obama had a Son, He Would Look Like This – Would Burglarize Homes and Have Multiple Suspensions for Marajuana, Grafitti and Assault Ku Klux Klan Member Offers $10,000 Reward for Capture of Black Panther's Party Member Who Murderd White Teen Black Civil Rights Activists Create Fake "Racism" Issue as New Evidence Shows Trayvon Martin was the Agressor All of these articles and more can be found if you follow Bluesman's link. Yeah - who needs the "mainstream" media ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Mar 12 - 09:01 AM Interesting paragraph at the end of the Tampa article which Becky linked(thanks Becky!): ""As far as I'm concerned, that neighborhood watch guy was breaking that law as soon as he started following that kid. He was stalking him. That's not standing your ground," said Rep. Richard "Rich" Glorioso, R-Plant City, who voted for the bill. "If the law is applied right, it's a fine law. But we worried about how people would interpret it, and how it would be applied, when we were discussing it." What may put this case into court where I feel it belongs is the stalking. Told several times not to follow him, Zimmerman continued to follow Martin to the point of exiting his vehicle and possibly provoking the confrontation. Bluesman.....Go have your hood and white robe monogrammed or something....... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 30 Mar 12 - 09:09 AM Does anybody know the ratio between "lives saved" and "killers gone free"? I bet not. The point is that the law as written seems to encourage results of both kinds. How does it compare to supposedly similar laws in other states? Also, if I'm carrying and somebody is really trying to kill me, will I stop to think that if I shoot I might get in trouble? Maybe, maybe not. But their with life really in danger, wouldn't most gun-toters pull the trigger, "stand-your-ground" law or not? But the SYG law says I don't have to hesitate for a second. That could translate into either another needless shooting or a life saved. How many people really go to jail for shooting an attacker in a life-or-death situation anyway? Is the point of the Florida law just to keep them from facing a trial? Just curious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: bobad Date: 30 Mar 12 - 11:16 AM From The Raw Story "The neighborhood watchman who in February shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was once fired from his job as a security guard for "being too aggressive," according to a new report. An unnamed former co-worker told the New York Daily News that George Zimmerman was paid under-the-table for providing security for illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, but was let go because his anger issues "became a liability." "Usually he was just a cool guy," the former co-worker explained. "He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us. … But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped." "He had a temper and he became a liability," he recalled. "One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted. … It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out." In 2005, the same year that Zimmerman lost his security guard job, he was also arrested for "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer," both third-degree felonies. Those charges were dropped after he agreed to enter an alcohol education program. MSNBC reported that his ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, alleged domestic violence and filed a motion for a restraining order in 2005. Zimmerman then filed for a restraining order against Zuazo and both later dropped their motions. Even with all this history, the former co-worker said he was shocked to hear the news that Zimmerman killed Martin. "He definitely loved being in charge," he said. "He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Desert Dancer Date: 30 Mar 12 - 11:16 AM Bluesman (and others!), among other things, what makes this case different from your example is the tragedy (in the classical sense) that it arose from the actions of two people who though they were doing right. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: meself Date: 30 Mar 12 - 01:13 PM Well, I would say that the main difference is that in this case, there has been no arrest and trial, so that there has been formal attempt at figuring out if either or both of the two people involved thought they were doing right. (Maybe they both did; maybe one of them did; maybe neither of them did). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Mar 12 - 01:20 PM ..another problem is that they are treating this like a political poster child, either side, instead of a crime....but that has a lot to do with the susceptibility of those who have traded their common sense for a political stance!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: bobad Date: 30 Mar 12 - 04:07 PM NY Times Op-Ed contributor Rich Benjamin writes, "Gated communities churn a vicious cycle by attracting like-minded residents who seek shelter from outsiders and whose physical seclusion then worsens paranoid groupthink against outsiders." The Gated Community Mentality |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Mar 12 - 05:27 PM Self defence has always been grounds for acquittal in a trial. I'm not clear how "stand your ground" adds to that. Does it mean an assumption any killing with a gun should be assumed to be self defence if the killer claims so, and that there should be no trial in which that claim can be tested? Don't you have grand juries which are supposed to weed out cases that wouldn't stand up in court? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Paul Burke Date: 30 Mar 12 - 06:25 PM Shit from idiocy as predictably usual. Ask these murderers: Why did you see this man as a threat? Why isn't a sick old man someone you would instinctively want to protect? What the blazing hell was going on in your mind? And Shit from Idiocy: you too. explain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 30 Mar 12 - 07:01 PM Seems Zimmerman has a history of anger problems abd could have been convicted of a felony for assaulting a police officer in 2005??? This guy needs to be charged... No lynch mob... Just facts... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 04:14 AM Some of you may recognize these lyrics, those who don't could be forgiven for thinking they were written in the last month or so. i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short sighted- narrow minded hypocritics all i want is the truth just give me some truth i've had enough of reading things by nuerotic-pyschotic- pig headed politicians all i want is the truth just give me some truth no short haired-yellow bellied son of tricky dicky is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me with just a pocketful of hope money for dope money for rope i'm sick to death of seeing things from tight lipped- condescending -mommies little chauvinists all i want is the truth just give me some truth i've had enough of watching scenes of schizophrenic - ego - centric - paranoic - prima - donnas all i want is the truth just give me some truth John Lennon - 1969 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Mar 12 - 06:20 AM But whose truth? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 09:21 AM Want the truth??? The truth is that if Martin was the one with the gun and confronted by Zimmerman and shot Zimmerman in self defense then Martin would be in jail now facing capital murder charges... That's the truth... BTW, this is so overtly racist that it brings back memories of Emmett Till and the Greensboro massacre... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 10:54 AM Sorry, hit wrong button... Don T: "But whose truth?" ...and Bobert answers with "IF"....Speculation based on a prejudged OPINION!: "The truth is that if Martin was the one with the gun and confronted by Zimmerman and shot Zimmerman in self defense then Martin would be in jail now facing capital murder charges... That's the truth..." Whose truth???????????????????????????????...anyone the ideologues MAKE UP! Just LOOK at it...and tell me. You guys are just making stuff up to get all frenzied about...with complete disregard for FACTS.....(Oh, no!..Those pesky little elements of truth! You're making asses out of yourselves! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 11:34 AM It's not opinion, GfinS... One only had to be paying half attention to the events of the last 50 or so years to know the truth... Martin would be in jail... You know it... I know it... A box of creek rocks know it... Your cat knows it... Yer dead Uncle Fred knows it... The birds on my bird feeder know it... I have a box of carburetor parts that knows it... Heck, Zimmerman knows it... Square business... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 12 - 12:33 PM I trust this Zimmerman is no relation to Bob... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,josepp Date: 31 Mar 12 - 03:39 PM There's no need to drag in racism, no need to pontificate on the past of either the victim or the perpetrator. Zimmerman claimed he was acting in the capacity of a crime watch captain. The problem is, a crime watch captain is not supposed to follow much less confront a suspect. He is to observe and report to the police only. Had Zimmerman remained in his vehicle nothing would have happened. Conclusion: Zimmerman was not acting in the capacity of a crime watch captain. Moreover, a crime watch captain is not supposed to be armed and indeed doesn't need to be if he fulfills his objective--to observe and report. No weapon necessary. Zimmerman was armed. Conclusion: Zimmerman did not act in the capacity of a crime watch captain. Had he done so, Trayvon Martin would be alive and Zimmerman would not be in trouble. Those two facts alone convict Zimmerman who was acting as a vigilante and not a crime watch captain. The law never officially backs a vigilante. No other facts are needed. These alone are damning for Zimmerman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 05:07 PM Yeah, where's the arrest warrant??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Richard Bridge Date: 31 Mar 12 - 07:36 PM The law never backs a vigilante? ROTFLMAO. You left out "except when he's white and the boy he shot black". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 08:54 PM Umm, bobert, I'm not sure if you aware of this, but in THIS country, under our Constitution, a man is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty....not by past injustices, not to appease a lynch mob, not because a racist hate group such as the KKK OR the 'New' Black Panther Partiers act a vigilantes, and NOT because either political party is trying to stir up shit..to promote their agendas.....NO...the FACTS OR THE CASE have to prove beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that the accused is in fact guilty! That being said, I'm neither pro or con, as to the particulars of the shooting, or who did what, first etc etc, ad nauseum. But, as a citizen of this country, I'd have to the laws, and courts, with jury(probably) decide it...Not YOU, and any others WHO WERE NOT THERE...or understand the nuances of Florida law. So knock off your political agitation...and your stirring up of hatred, retribution, self aggrandizing 'activism', divisiveness, and just general brain-lock, and try allowing the laws of the land take their course....OK???...You can do that, can't you??...what's the matter, you don't like our Constitution???....Neither do either of the corrupt wings of the 'Bankers Party'. Dinkle-Brain! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 09:09 PM Sure, GfinS... I understand the concept... Do you??? There is more than enough evidence to allow Zimmerman to have his day in court... More than enough... But if Zimmerman is never charged then guess what??? Not only does the state not got to present that evidence but Zimmerman never has to defend squat... B |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 09:13 PM BTW, GfinS... You never weighed on the the question I asked if it had been Martin who killed Zimmerman and where Martin would be today??? Care to weigh in??? Didn't think so... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: catspaw49 Date: 31 Mar 12 - 09:13 PM Yo Sanitary Guest......Bobertz and most of the rest of us would be happy if they can just get to the point where a JURY decides the case as you stated. At this point the POLICE are the only ones who made a decision and that ain't how its supposed to go. Like you say, "the FACTS OR THE CASE have to prove beyond a SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that the accused is in fact guilty! That being said, I'm neither pro or con, as to the particulars of the shooting, or who did what, first etc etc, ad nauseum. But, as a citizen of this country, I'd have to the laws, and courts, with jury(probably) decide it.." We'd just like to see the trial part get going. How 'bout you? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 10:04 PM When they are ready to make an arrest, and make sure the charges would stick, and they could win in court, then I'm sure they will arrest him. No problem. Oh, and this gem of a turd: "...I understand the concept..." "Concept"??? Are you referring to the Constitutional guarantees? (Guarantees, like, well, never mind....politicos would love to abolish everything that has to do with the individual being protected from the government, and their abuses...I'll get into that later...maybe..) Hey man, be patient. I'm not glad he's not been arrested, nor am i tearing out what hair I got left, gnashing and grinding my teeth, with eager anticipation....but with all the versions of what did, or didn't happen...and only according to what is being REPORTED, let the law take it's course, and wait till an arrest that can be proven, that Zimmerman can be nailed, if guilty UNDER the law. I don't think they are holding off an arrest because the D.A. thinks Zimmerman is cute, and uses a nice cologne! As for your own well-being, lighten up on your system by forcing anxiety and stress on yourself. Chill! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Bobert Date: 31 Mar 12 - 10:22 PM Listen, GfinS... Had Martin shot Zimmerman in self defense he would have been arrested... Don't preach law to me... I'll guarantee that I am well versed in the law and represented my former company in court over a 100 times... I know the law as much as most lawyers... So save the lectures... Time for the state to bring charges against Zimmerman... The facts on the ground that are not being contested are ample to charge this guy for "murder 1"... Not 2... Not 3... Not manslaughter... Murder 1... Square business... Murder 1 now!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,josepp Date: 31 Mar 12 - 10:30 PM ////The law never backs a vigilante?//// That is NOT what I said which you will realize when you go back and read the statement again. I've been misquoted! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 11:28 PM Bobert: "Listen, GfinS... Had Martin shot Zimmerman in self defense he would have been arrested..."...Blah blah blah... Prove it, or shut up! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Mar 12 - 11:41 PM GfS, time will tell. Be patient. His goose is cooked. It's just taking the legal system a little time to prick to pronounce it done. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:15 AM that's WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 10:04 PM (fourth paragraph) ".....Hey man, be patient. I'm not glad he's not been arrested,.." ..and this one: "From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 Mar 12 - 08:54 PM " Pretty CLEAR!! and this one: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Mar 12 - 04:32 PM Thank you, Becky (Desert Dancer)for a clear and informative post. Like I said before, people, who are interested, should wait for more information before jumping to conclusions, based on biases, both political, and skewed media reports. GfS ..and this one: Subject: RE: BS: Killed for Being Black? #2 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 29 Mar 12 - 12:10 AM Be patient, and wait for the truth to come out. Remember the time that folk music used to be part of the 'peace/love movement?...Look what politics has done to a lot of you. Peace! GfS or this one: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 09:58 PM Also, on the news today, it was the prosecutors who told the police to hold off on an arrest, to see if they could substantiate the charges. Come on guys, let's not lose your heads over this...WAIT TILL THE FACTS COME OUT, before you rush to judgment, and make asses out of yourselves..................AGAIN! or this one: From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:18 PM "Was he there??? .." ..and neither were YOU....so lay off the lynch mob shit and STFU, until more comes out!! ...and I was being polite, too! " or this one: Subject: RE: BS: Killed for being black? Florida today From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Mar 12 - 12:37 AM I've avoided this post, because, as usual, I figured that it would be an emotional frenzy over incomplete FACTS. As new stuff is coming out, I think we should all wait CALMLY till the complete story comes out..." So, SRS, You and I just may be on the same page about this! Those 'cut and pastes' were from THREE threads on this topic. i'm just trying to convince the blood mongers to sit back, and let the authorities do their job, and if there is an arrest to be made, let's make sure Zimmerman gets a fair trial! Regards! gfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:27 AM We may be on the same page, but I'm not continually flying off the handle like you are. Sit back, fill your glass, let the thread take its course. Chill. Capiche? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:42 AM Oh, I'm cool.....mellow.....and don't take hate speech seriously...'it's just castles burning.....' In fact, SRS,, though I've been taken way out of context, and perception, for about 4-5 years on here, I can't recall when I've been really blowing my top....and usually in a pretty good mood...though some clown likes to portray me as all pissed off, all the time..I'm not. ..and as I posted in the 'way-way backs', that my posts were loaded with great lines, for you...and the object was to 'not tell people WHAT to think, as much as HOW to think'......and that means a clear objectivity. Part of the reasoning is, as a composer, it is incumbent upon me to stay objective about any mood, that I wish to use, if I want to put into music, and be in control of it, rather than it controlling me. Craft. And I think that the music I posted on YouTube, (along with others), displays a huge amount of 'moods'...without me going through every change, myself, and turning into a jello-y pile of moodiness. But, I thank you, for your concern...and Regards To You!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:44 AM Actually, I'm surprised at the difference - your music is quite mellow (I have heard some of your YouTube posts) but here you're off the wall. Whatever drug you use for your music, you might think about using for your typing fingers as well. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Apr 12 - 01:04 AM Ahh..perception, perception, perception.... A huge amount of my posts are tongue in cheek. Little Hawk was the first to note that, when he said something like,"You need a sense of humor, understand a lot of my stuff)." he and I have spoken on occasion, and I think he knows that I am S-O-O-O on your side, as musicians and writers...and has posted as much. My biggest bitch, is that musicians of our age, have 'sold out', and walked away from the very energy of creating WONDERFUL stuff, and been co-opted by bullshit politicians....(certain organized religions too). Nonetheless, if you dug the 'peace and love' in the music....then we've communicated, soul to soul. Again, Wishing You the Finest!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Apr 12 - 01:37 AM SRS,During a period in her life, she wrote this....and was one of her best , and I had the privilege to made made her acquaintance...am even pictured with her, in one of her songbooks....and so many never even heard it...but, I did post it here, in Mudcat Forum...CRAFT!!! Just thought I'd put it in here, again, for the peace, and thought that she relates. Enjoy!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Killed For Being Black ? # 3 From: bobad Date: 01 Apr 12 - 07:37 AM So, it now appears that Georgie Zimmerman is a liar as well as a murderer - surprise, surprise: Forensic experts: Zimmerman was not crying for help on 911 tapes Two forensic voice experts have told The Orlando Sentinel Saturday that neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman was not the voice crying for help in the 911 calls after he shot Trayvon Martin. Tom Owen, a forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and a court-qualified expert witness, used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 calls with cries in the background after the shooting on February 26th. "I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen said. "As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman." Another expert, Ed Primeau of Michigan, used audio enhancement and human analysis to also determined that it was the slain teenager's voice instead of his shooter. "I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau told The Orlando Sentinel. "That's a young man screaming." The Raw Story |