BS: Is LA state the worst of all?

Subject: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 09:54 AM

The worst in the US, I mean; I realise there might be more despicable states in the world beyond. But within the US, and judged only by its legislators, it must be Louisiana, even if Texas pushes it close?

Licenced (sic!) bigotry....

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:12 AM

That link reminds me of the thought by Derek Bok--or at least one attributed to him: the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:27 AM

This is hardly anything new... Charter schools are private yet in most styates the states pay a portion of the tuition... But worse than that is that charter schools *tend* to be segregated in terms of race and religion... At least, that's the way it is in NC... BTW, teachers in charter schools are generally paid less than their public school counterparts and, in many schools, not required to be certified...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:29 AM

Jindal is a typical Republican, clever and conniving and totally missing the big picture.

Talking about kicking the can down the road. Lets develop an an entire class of undereducated poor people as we promote the "right" to bear more and more powerful and cheaper arms.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:30 AM

Perhaps there is a mistake somewhere but the customized blue clicky brings us to an article concerning school vouchers. Is that correct Peter? Is what you find objectionable that some parents may choose to use these vouchers, provided by tax dollars, to send their children to "religious" schools? That's what makes Louisiana only slightly less worse of a state than Texas? Odd criteria. Seems that a choice would be a good thing, agree with the decision or not. If what you want is no choice in how and what children are taught, well, that's coming soon enough. In the meanwhile, you might want to move to California if you really want to experience real "worst" possibilities.

David E.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:33 AM

Good point Bob. And in typical Republican fashion. The argument for charter schools is that the outcomes per dollar is better. What is not included in that calculus id that the public schools are required to educate EVERYONE while the private schools screen out the special needs and "problem" students. Comparing apples to apples. It is the rare "voucher" school that outperforms the average public school.

I really understand the frustration of teachers.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:37 AM

David you didn't read the article did you?

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:44 AM

The Roman Catholic Church is the second largest suppier of education services in the US, behind (obviously) government.

The RCC gets billions in tax dollars every year to pay for this education.

Giving Protestant (and other) religious groups an equal access to tax money for schools never seems to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:11 AM

Where Protestants have equal facilities and standards they get better than equal access. But that is not the point is it? The point of the article is taking money from the public schools and giving it to nut jobs who make kids watch creationist DVDs in a warehouse.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:45 AM

Innovating attempts to improve the percentage of children graduating high school is good and may work. The content of 'education' in some of these schools, as given, is appalling.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:50 AM

Yeah, the righties argue about $$$/per student spent but never get around to talking about how much of that $$$ is diverted from public schools to private segregated and/or religious schools... They don't tell the entire truth... Might of fact, they intentionally try to deceive...

"Money won't fix schools... We're spending $______ a child now!", they shout...

If it were all going to public schools we would have better results...

And JtS is correct... Test scores across the board for charter schools are no better than public schools... Yes, there are exceptional charter schools just as there are exception public schools...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:54 AM

If we all had a PhD who would flip our burgers?

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Arkie
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 12:08 PM

I have thought for many years now that education should include teaching teaching people to think with a mind open to discovery but also prepared to question, reason, and determine the most appropriate action for oneself and for their social community as well. With that attitude and approach one does not rashly respond to every new idea or concept, but is able to determine what is beneficial or potentially beneficial and becomes a part of the process of advancing knowledge and technological and scientific development.

From what I have seen, many private schools exist to control thought and is a tool for the purpose of a few exerting control over many.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:28 PM

The high school graduation rate in Louisiana is about 60%, which is pathetic.

Some people would rather see complete failure than risk having some of the kids exposed to objectionable ideas in private school, such as respect, discipline, hard work or the Ten Comandments.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 04:54 PM

The same people who ran the public school system--that is the people who devised it, implemented it and then enforced its regulations are the same people who let the failure rate happen and now have this new idea. The kids do not matter to them. It's about the money. They will ensure their friends get it and you will see little improvement in the next decade. As it is, private schools do not have to participate in state-wide testing, so I suppose we'll accept the word of various private school officials that things are just ducky. Yep, just ducky.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:09 PM

In Louisiana there's also money to be made from running prison services. Guess which state has the highest proportion of its population in prison? (And this time it's the highest proportion worldwide.)

David E: No mistake. That's where I meant the link to go. You either minsunderstood the article or didn't get past the first few sentences.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 05:42 PM

If we all had a PhD who would flip our burgers?


Philosophy majors

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 10:47 PM

If we all had PhD's, we wouldn't be eating burgers.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 12 - 11:38 PM

Good one, 9.

I was going to say that I doubt that Bill D was ever limited to flipping burgers.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 01:31 PM

Ebbie, it's a guy thing. Bringing home the bacon, dropping the meal on the barbecue and drinking sixty-seven-year old beer, or sixty seven-year-old beer or sixty-seven year-old beer or something like that. Anyway, it is there that one finds the mettle of a philosophy person. T'is nobler to have flipped a burger than never to have flipped at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 01:47 PM

Shane has been known to say things a lot like that, such as...

"Better to have, like, flipped stupidly than never to have, like, flipped at ALL!" He wasn't talking about burgers, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 03:06 PM

"Licensed" is a verbal formation, and so takes an "s". The simple test is to replace "lice(c/s)e" with "advi(c/s)e" and you can HEAR the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 03:52 PM

What if you replace "lice" with "ticks" or "chiggers"? Can one get chiggered?

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 04:42 PM

One can get ticked (at intentional stupidity).

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jun 12 - 05:26 PM

The works on my Wendy's Classic double, and onion rings, paalease. If I am gonna pig out, I am gonna pig out.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 02:05 PM

I am not quite sure why we need to figure out which is the worst state. All have their faults and successes. Louisiana has gone through wrenching difficulties, both before and after Katrina. I suspect that some of its teens not graduating from high school lost out in school after the storm and never caught up. It produces some of the finest people in America..I used to try and figure out what states the nicest people came from and Louisiana was first and Kentucky and Tennessee (I never could tell them apart) were second. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 02:43 PM

The Innocence Project exposes the weakness of our justice system every day.

My newspaper tells me that the typical new prostitute is 13.

Thousands of Mexicans are dead in the war over the drug trade to America.

Distracted drivers are killing people so they can drive while using phones, etc.

And you think it's important what procedures bureaucrats use to organize schools?

Get real!

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 03:04 PM

Gotta add another one. My sister is trying to rebuild her life after widowhood, so she's taking business courses at a publicly-funded vocational school.

Her math book costs $250 and her psychology book costs $298. Can you believe that? She tells me that she will be able to rent to math book - $77. It's probably worth about $14, I figure.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Jun 12 - 05:07 PM

$298.00 for a book you'll get nothing on when you sell it back? Outrageous.

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Jun 12 - 08:57 PM

Meanwhile in Poland:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18151512

Subject: RE: BS: Is LA state the worst of all?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 14 Jun 12 - 06:36 PM

North Carolina has entered the competition

North Carolina lawmakers move to scale back Racial Justice Act
Andrew Craft / AP

Marcus Robinson was removed from death row after a judge found that race played a factor in his jury selection and sentencing.
By James Eng, msnbc.com

North Carolina legislators are moving to dramatically scale back a 2009 racial-bias law that is being used by dozens of condemned black inmates to challenge their death sentences.

The state House, in a 73-47 vote, gave final approval on Wednesday to a bill that social-justice advocates say would essentially gut the Racial Justice Act. Five Democrats broke ranks to vote with Republicans for the measure, giving it a veto-proof margin, the Raleigh News & Observer reported.

The bill now goes back to the Senate, where it is also expected to pass by a veto-proof margin.

[end quote]

I'll leave it to those interested to read the whole article, but it does look like the intent is to prohibit (black?) defendants from claiming any evidence that bias exists in their trials.

"Sure, we're bigots, but we'll make it illegal to say so.(?)"

John