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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 29 Jun 12 - 03:17 PM Yes, Jts... I am aware of the few outlets... What I was referring to is the ***general*** all encompassing right wing Big Lie about - horrors - "the liberal media"... Sorry, if I didn't make that plain enough... B~ |
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Subject: BS: Con(servative) reaction Affordable Healt From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Jun 12 - 03:31 PM Conservative reaction to the Affordable Health Care Act decision. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Jun 12 - 04:04 PM You mean that Disney owned ABC and Viacom owned CBS are "liberal?" Who is stupid enough to think that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 29 Jun 12 - 05:20 PM Read for content, JtS... You have missed what I've said twice... Drenk a chilly one and reread what I have said... Sheesh... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jeri Date: 29 Jun 12 - 05:22 PM JtS: "Who is stupid enough to think that? " A bunch of conservatives. Well, I don't know that they actually believe it, but they hope the people they're talkin' at do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Jun 12 - 05:34 PM Bobert does this mean "tongue in cheek" :-p if show it should have been included in both posts addressed to you. I was agreeing with you in principle but not in detail the first time. In the second I was being ironic... sorry that those things did not come across. My Bad.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Songwronger Date: 29 Jun 12 - 08:28 PM Well, I was for extending Medicaire to all Americans, but no, the Dems/Repubs had to bring the robber barons into the game. And that's what this is. Big insurance companies wrote this abomination, and the big insurance companies will benefit. And the insurance companies are just extensions of the big banks, so in effect this is just another banking bailout. And what crap about the penalty for not having health insurance being insignificant. The last figure I saw said a person would be fined...I mean "taxed"...$695 per year for not having insurance. Sure that's less than the hundreds per month that healthcare costs now, so all of you yuppies are right about it being just a fraction of that, but $695 is a big chunk of change when you can't afford bread for your kid's school lunch. Yeah, the liberal love of the poor is really showing through on this. As far as the tax increase...the court chose to call the penalty a tax, so that's what it is. Mainstream news claims there are 30-35 million uninsured Americans. But it's probably around 100 million. You know how the mainstream media (arm of the government) likes to keep the bad numbers down. But say it's 30 million who will now have to pay the penalty...I mean "tax"...then that's $695 times 30 million. But there'll be surcharges and other add-ons, so the "tax" will be a thousand bucks, times the true number of uninsured. What's 1000 times 100 million? Name me a tax increase that was larger. Obama let the robber barons in on the action, and now Romney is posing like he'll fight it. But Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare. They're plugging you in your fore and aft orifices and you're loving it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bill D Date: 29 Jun 12 - 08:36 PM 'Most' of the general national media tries to adhere to fair, accurate reporting and to coherent, logical analysis. That sort of thing can sure look like a 'liberal' slant to those who are used to distorted viewpoints from their own side.. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 29 Jun 12 - 08:49 PM Wrongman = 100% TeaPublican and ...liar!!! Where did you ever post that you were for Medicare for everyone??? No where... You are trying to BS us with that, "Oh geeze... I was for expanding Medicare to everyone but..." Liar!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Songwronger Date: 29 Jun 12 - 09:46 PM I don't have to justify myself to you, you hysterical jackoff. But since you asked: detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3348415 You "liberals" just imposed a crushing tax on tens of millions of Americans. People will die by the millions because of this. You've been taught to hate humanity. This is the flowering of your "liberal arts" educations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 29 Jun 12 - 10:03 PM My apologies... You did get it right on extending Medicare... Great... Now time to get off the Republican bandwagon as if if taxing 1% of the nation is this big ass assault on the entire universe... It's not and since 99% of the people who won't participate are poor then we're really talking about nothing here... The big talking point for TeaPub Nation is that the IRS is going to become the Gestapo and that is as right winged reactionary, tin foil, as it comes... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jun 12 - 10:50 PM I do not know how so many people can hate Songwronger. He is, I think, American. He has family and he cares for them. His ideas may differ from yours, but that means he has what you Americans believe in: freedom. So far, instead of listening to and thinking about his fears and thoughts, many people here have pilloried him. IMO, it's wrong to do that. I have on a few occasions disagreed with his views, but in truth, I do see where he is coming from. Calling him names and subjecting him to ridicule is beneath anyone's dignity, and that means ours. Likely, sitting down with a beer and a guitar, lots could be understood. From all of us. That is not as eloquent as I meant to say it, but it is the best I can do for now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: dick greenhaus Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:02 PM Since we're picking nits, here, the SOTUS didn't say it was a tax...just that the power to penalize those who didn't sign up for health insurance came under the Right to Tax provisions of the Constitution. The "Crushing Tax" that will "kill tens of millions of Americans" is a pretty modest penalty for those who want to gamble that they won't need medical care, or that if they do someone else will pick up the tab. It seems that the way to eliminate Obamacare is to vote for the guy that invented it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:18 PM Here's the real deal on wrongman... Now that we have the "only" step forward that was possible people like wrongman jump on it as not enough... Hey, it was all there to be gotten... Reality was that the Repubs were going to filibusterer this thing into us getting "zero"... In other words, business as usual... We got all we could... Wrongman gets no credit here for holding out for something that wasn't going to happen... That's games... Seen it before... "Oh, I would have supported this or that but_________________" BS B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,999 Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:26 PM No offense old friend, but my post stands as is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 29 Jun 12 - 11:53 PM 999 Mick starts a thread about this decision. wronger starts this argument thread. Songwronger is constantly, deliberately picking fights here. You are on his side. Fine. You want to feed the troll? Fine. Do you have to be quite so condescending? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: michaelr Date: 30 Jun 12 - 01:49 AM "It seems that the way to eliminate Obamacare is to vote for the guy that invented it." Good one, Dick! -- except that Romney implemented it in Mass, but he did not invent it. That credit goes to Liz Fowler, vice president of WellPoint, a major insurance company. "Big insurance companies wrote this abomination, and the big insurance companies will benefit." Songwronger is dead right about this one. It's a huge giveaway to the useless bloodsucking soulless cabal of middlemen that is the US version of health insurance. That said, it's looking to be better -- and cover more people -- than what we had. And it's a first step in the right direction toward Medicare for all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:22 AM Well, I'd have to say, I agree with Michaelr, and Songwronger on this one, with one addendum...there is a trade-off compromise, between the insurance companies and the government....the government writes a law, that everyone buys the insurance companies' product...and the government, in turn gets even more power and control over people's lives..Such a deal!! As I've posted before, we DO need health care reform, that's a given!..but this particular bill wasn't the one....and rather than writing up a good comprehensive bill, that wouldn't intrude into so many people's lives, to the degree that it does, they just used Romney's, for the most part..and spent bu-coups time making it as air tight as they could to FORCE people into having to purchase the product..however, appeasing the people, by providing a form of health care...even thought it WILL include rationing, and decisions are not made by doctors and the patients, but by political appointees. I could go into all the 'considerations' that would sway a medical decision, but I'd rather do that with someone who wasn't illiterate on the subject....in other words, someone who actually is familiar with the details, and not just bellowing the 'party line's' talking points....because in the real world, talking point parrots are just intellectually lazy, illiterate brainless drones...oh wait!..'Drones in America'...oh, that's another thread..... Oh, and before the 'Teapub' drone starts droning....what I just posted, I'm not aware of anything like it coming from the Tea Party, just like a lot of stuff I've been accused of....though what I've been saying, I've been saying for several years, before there was a Tea party..or even the concept of one!!!!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: akenaton Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:49 AM Well I like most people who contribute here whether I agree with them or not...as long as they are honest. and I agree with Bruce, Songwrongers posts are valid and interesting, they provoke debate. Is that not why we are all here? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:57 AM Akenaton: "....they provoke debate. Is that not why we are all here?" ...and hopefully come to an understanding of the truth..after cutting through the fog of political pollution! ...and the truth, would make us whole though understanding, as opposed to, dividing us with resentment, fear and loathing.....or becoming one of Bobert's recruits into the Tea Party!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 01:47 PM Here's the part that Obama eluded to in his short talk after the decision and it's why the insurance companies have spent so much $$$ to defeat this... The legislation forces them to pay out 85% of premiums in health care... I've brought this up before but folks just don't get the implications... Millions of Americans will be receiving a check later this summer from their insurance companies that will reimburse them for a share of their premiums going back to the bill's implementation for excessive CEO salaries, stock holder dividends and administrative costs that exceed the lawful 15%... That's the fly in the ointment... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: dick greenhaus Date: 30 Jun 12 - 01:54 PM That 85% means that, at best, the consumer is paying 17.6% more for his health care than it should be costing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:01 PM Administration has to be done and paid for. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:14 PM >>>Well I like most people who contribute here whether I agree with them or not...as long as they are honest. and I agree with Bruce, Songwrongers posts are valid and interesting, they provoke debate. Is that not why we are all here?<<< His posts are no worse than Bobert's. They are no better. Songwrongers posts and threads are often shrill and hyperbolic. Among them, there is fear mongering and personal attacks on The President. Sure songwronger has a right to fair speech. As does Bobert have a right to say that Songwronger is full of crap. The person who is out of line here is Bruce. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:20 PM Please explain your math, Dick... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,josepp Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:22 PM /////I do not know how so many people can hate Songwronger. He is, I think, American. He has family and he cares for them. His ideas may differ from yours, but that means he has what you Americans believe in: freedom.///// It might have morre to do with responses as this: "I don't have to justify myself to you, you hysterical jackoff." When someone's a prick and as asshole, don't defend it by saying it's because he cares about his family or whatever, that implies that if I really cared as much about my family as he does his that I'd be more of a prick and an asshole too. When someone is a prick and an asshole, it's because they are prick and an asshole. I don't care if they are, I'm no saint myself, but stop trying to sugar-coat it--just say it outright. With that said, Justice Roberts voted in favor of the health care bill, I believe, for one main reason: It's the first time anyone has really done anything about reforming health care and if SCOTUS kills it, it will probably be the last time and it CLEARLY needs to be reformed. We can't kill it and then go back to complaining that no one ever does anything about the spiraling costs and degenerating services in the American health care system. As for the experts here who know that it's all about only filling the pcokets of the rich and that it will do absolutely no good whatsoever and if it really was going to do any good, it wouldn't have been allowed to be implemented and that millions will die and have to sacrifice their children to pay for the premiums and services and madications--why don't we button it and just see how it shakes out? It's not like you have a choice now. You don't know what's going to happen any more than I do and I have no idea. One thing I do know: we'd better do something and something has finally been done. So, for now, I prefer to have hope. At worst, it will be no better than what we have. To paraphrase George Bush: Give the chance a plan to work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,999 Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:30 PM josepp, he was attacked and that response though not cool was at least in line with what people were saying to him. So, I do not agree with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:48 PM I agree with josepp in his analysis of the legislation in general... We falt out weren't going to get single payer... Too many blue dog Dems said the would not vote for it... And Joe Lieberman, the 60th vote in the so-call super majority said he wouldn't vote for it either... So rather than waste time, Obama and the Dems advanced the only bill that at best is just a first step in fixing the problem... It gets more people into the pool... That is a good thing... By 2025 we will have a single payer system because it's cheaper... The cost to administer Medicare is 2% as opposed to the 15% the ACA allows... That's a lot of dough... And Medicare doesn't play games like the insurance companies... One other thing that would bring down costs would be for Medicare to negotiate pricing with Big Pharma... The Bush plan was a $T give away to them... That alone would bring our overall costs down considerably... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:57 PM hmmmmm... Still at it Bruce? >>I do not know how so many people can hate Songwronger. << Nobody does, zilch, zero, that is how many. That statement is you being shrill and hyperbolic in the same way that wronger is. He is deliberately saying provocative untrue things (like "Obama" is going to put you on his "kill list") in order to provoke a reaction. You would defend his right to provoke but not others' right to call bullshit? Look! You are Canadian. I am aware that righteous indignation as perceived by the self-appointed manners police which appears to be nearly every Canadian over the age of 10 west of Quebec trumps free speech in Canada. It doesn't in the US. In the US, between Americans, the right to free speech applies to all. :-p |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,josepp Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:59 PM Two wrongs still don't make a right last I checked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 02:59 PM Jack the Sailor: "Administration has to be done and paid for." Shouldn't that read, "THE Administration has to be done and paid for." Bobert: "...Here's the part that Obama eluded to in his short talk after the decision and it's why the insurance companies have spent so much $$$ to defeat this..." That would be logic for the 'simpleton' ....how do you account for the fact that Americans will be FORCED to buy insurance, from those companies that 'lobbied against it'??....unless they want the cheap crap from the government, and be fined for not buying it?? Jack the Sailor: "The person who is out of line here is Bruce." WHAT?????????????!!!!???!!! Josepp: "To paraphrase George Bush: Give the chance a plan to work." To paraphrase George Bush: "Welcome to the New World Order!!...Glad so many of you were so enthusiastic to join!!!" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: pdq Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:03 PM Songwronger is dead right about this one. It's a huge giveaway to the useless bloodsucking soulless cabal of middlemen that is the US version of health insurance. ~ michaelr Songwronger and the few original thinkers on Mudcat need to be respected by those who parrot the "party line". This place gets real boring when ten to twenty people in a row spout the same old tired BS. BTW, if Obama & Co. really wanted to do health reform, they would have started by building hundreds of state-of-the-art medical training centers, hospitals, clinics and the like. We need more doctors and more equipment, not more government/insurance manipulation. Obama's Stimulus Bill alone spent 887 billion dollars. Did any of it go to help train more doctors? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:04 PM josepp Bruce is saying that what wronger does is not wrong. But he is saying that responding in kind is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:05 PM Whoever first said it: ">>I do not know how so many people can hate Songwronger.<<" Well, I do....Partisans tend to 'hate' people whose common sense trumps their partisan propagandized dogmas!!..........I KNOW!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:08 PM Several states will not implement the provisions, so their citizens will not benefit. The option granted to the states by the Supreme Court allows them not to expand their Medicaid programs. NY Times, June 29, Reluctance in Some States Over Medicaid Expansion. The states include Kansas, Nebraska, South Carolina, New Jersey, Mississippi and possibly Texas (which has 25% of citizens without health coverage). NY Times, June 29. For Uninsured in Texas, Supreme Court Ruling Adds Uncertainty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:20 PM Q: "Several states will not implement the provisions, so their citizens will not benefit." Good for them!!!!..matter of fact, the states would be freer if they refused most all federal government enticements and bribes!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,josepp Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:25 PM ////Bruce is saying that what wronger does is not wrong. But he is saying that responding in kind is wrong.//// Thanks, I know that and I'm saying that two wrongs don't make a right. If he can defend what he's saying then he should defend it instead of responding in the same wrong fashion that he was attacked with. If he can't do that then he cannot defend his position and that calls into question the idea that he is one of mudcat's few original thinkers. He sounds more like one of mudcat's many foamers-at-the-mouth when confronted with ideas and thoughts that he can't process or tolerate because they run counter to his own. Mudcat has enough of those and too many of them get free passes because other posters seem to regard them highly for no fair reason accept they agree with that person's attitude regardless of how puerile it may be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 03:43 PM Joe, "original thinker" or not. wronger's tone and lines of attack is what invites the response. He is very similar to GfS this way. It is not enough for them to criticize the Administration. They have to call people who do not share their views stupid. They have to say untrue things to back up their views. I can put up with those sorts of things a few times without responding. And I did. But comes a time when it seem appropriate to point out where what they are saying is wrong and to point out that they are the ones being stupid. Bobert is always fair and above board in these discussions. He make his opinions clear and he makes it clear what he thinks of those who disagree. Whether it is Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney or Songwronger, if you take certain stands you know you are going to predictable reactions from Bobert. There is no need to take that personally. They is no justification for calling that hate. There is especially no need for third parties, who have engaged it their share of political back and forth themselves (I'm looking at you Brucie!) to butt in and say that is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:07 PM Q: "Bobert is always fair and above board in these discussions. He make his opinions clear and he makes it clear what he thinks of those who disagree." What a crock of shit!! If he has nothing, he calls you a 'bigot', 'hater', 'racist' or 'Tea Pub'!....Dear 'Q', if you wanna be taken seriously, then get serious! Many people see Bobert, as the resident drunk, when he answers other people's post as he does. I personally like Bobert, and all his anality...in a way...but that doesn't mean his responses have anything whatsoever to do with accuracy, or intelligence!..Most of it, is blithering blather of Democrat party talking points, which is already known, and a given, just bull diarrhea.......the good thing, though is when he does post, it's good to see how weak those same talking points are...so he gets Don to help him, and post together, as he thinks it makes his 'case' stronger'......and, Boy, is that DUMB! I'd rather get HIS opinions as a human being, rather than a party rat. .......and he's called on it, all the time. ..but we love him anyway....and BTW, Bobert, I've never heard any of your music...anyplace to hear it? I have a feeling, it is your strong point!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:14 PM "Whether it is Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney or Songwronger, OR GfS if you take certain stands you know you are going to predictable reactions from Bobert." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:35 PM Yes, Jack..you are correct....and that's because Bobert's response, is always the same...so it's not hard to pick which 'one' he'll come up with. It starts with name calling, and goes downhill from there, into the land of sheer talking point nonsense!...oh, and of course Tea....(rolls eyes), GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:35 PM GfS, I think if there was a pole taken, "Who is the Village Idiot of the Mudcat?" You would get a lot more votes than Bobert. Keep in mind that when Bobert is not talking politics, he engages in self-depricating humor. Many people remember your history from the Democratic nominating contest of 2008. You were calling everybody who disagreed with you stupid then. In fact, isn't your name a constant message to us all that you think of yourself as the lone sane visitor in this insane place. You are not making any friends like that. Anyone who tells you otherwise. Anyone who tells you you are better than Bobert is just winding you up because they enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself. There are plenty of people on this forum who will do that. Here is a suggestion. Start calling yourself "Likes the Blues" or something that says something about you that doesn't make you seem so nuts. Here is another suggestion. Register for the forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:36 PM sorry... poll taken. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:38 PM First. lets clean up some of the misinformation about the ACA... 1. The "opt out" is not an "opt out" for the act itself... It is an option for states in how they deal with Medicaid (income eligible) folks... These are the poorest of the poor... These are ***not*** the folks who will be required to purchase insurance nor those who will be subsidized... The states that elect to opt out are, in essence, depriving their poorest from getting health care... (Note; GfinS and others may think that's a fine thing... Personally, I think is immoral and will kill many people who now have some level of Medicaid coverage)... 2. "Administrative" as JtS used it was in reference to the ***costs*** of administering the program... Not the Obama administration... 3. No one is forced to purchase health insurance... The penalties are not all that steep for not doing so and in most cases would just be deducted from tax refunds which, BTW, when we are talking about people who now do not have insurance and get low income credits means that it won't cost them anything out of their pockets... Them's is for starters... Yo, GfinS... Yeah, there's plenty of my music out there... Google "Sidewalk Bob) (me) and check me out live (well, I was on the day it was video'd) on YouTube... Then you can get some clips on my 1st CD "13 Shades of Blue" off either CDBaby or CigarBoxNation... And ya' can sent me $10 and get my latest CD "Sidewalk Bob Live @ Archie Edwards Barbershop" which was recorded last September... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 30 Jun 12 - 04:40 PM Jack: "GfS, I think if there was a pole taken, "Who is the Village Idiot of the Mudcat?" But then...it might be you, for not knowing the difference between a pole, and a poll!! Waving! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Jun 12 - 05:07 PM GfS Very clever of you posting that 4 minutes after I apologized and made the correction. You are like the Secretariat of idiots. Your lead keeps growing and growing..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: dick greenhaus Date: 30 Jun 12 - 07:38 PM Bobert- If you pay $100 for $85 worth of service, you're overpaying by 17.6470588% Jack the Sailor- THat 's in addition to any Federal administrative costs. it goes for advertising, bonuses, management salaries and lawsuits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 07:55 PM Dick... Your math doesn't make sense... The ACA requires private insurance companies to pay out 85 cents on the dollar for actual claims to providers... How one can take that single piece of information and make a statement that by making that a requirement will increase anyone's rate is mind boggling... Here's an example: Acme Health Insurance charges you $200 a month for health insurance but only pays out $100 to providers... What percentage of you premium went to the provider??? Well, that's purdy simple... 1/2 or 50%... Right??? Under the ACA Acme would either: 1. Have to pay out $170 to the provider (85% of premium) or... 2. Lower your premium (hark... this is why the health insurance companies have spent so much to defeat the ACA...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Amos Date: 30 Jun 12 - 07:59 PM The ACA is a positive step and will provide insurance coverage for millions of people who would other wise be denied it. Songwronger's rabid assertions are, I think, unfounded. HEre's a fairly clear general explanation of what it does, and when. Here's a discussion of the pros and cons of the bill's impact on doctor compensation. HEre's a government page dedicated to the health care act and related issues. Enjoy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court rules Obamacare OK - it's a TAX! From: Bobert Date: 30 Jun 12 - 08:27 PM Good stuff, Amos ol' buddy... Oh??? And... ...100... B;~) |
