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Subject: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,C. Ham
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 01:51 PM

This strange Leonard Cohen story was sent to me today by a friend who saw it on Facebook.

Strange leonard Cohen story.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:06 PM

And your point, other than it being a complete pile of crap is?


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:30 PM

Thanks for a wonderfully funny and entertaining read. Ann must have a sprained tongue and a distended check.

DonMeixner


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: ollaimh
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:43 PM

that's a wierd one, back in the late sixties and early seventies cohen was a regular at an all night deli,when he was in town, perhaps he ate the bad rye bread.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:53 PM

And the bad rye bread lay dormant in his stomach for 10 or 20 years just waiting for its chance to cause weirdness.

I do believe coincidences happen. I also believe if the story were about Joe Schmoe, it wouldn't have inspired such creative pseudo conclusions.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:01 PM

Leonard Cohen strange?
Unbelievable!


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:14 PM

Our world just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser. Eventually we will 'discover' that every other person we know is 'multiple' and 'programmed'. Which, of course, since we are among the 'every other person' that someone else knows, means that we ourselves are bound to be among them.

I think, mangling DeMent's thesis, that I'll just let the mystery be.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:16 PM

Sounds like b.s. to me.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Newport Boy
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:16 PM

There's some strange people in the world - and I don't mean Leonard Cohen.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Beer
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:26 PM

I don't find anything strange about the story. It was what it was for the times.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 05:49 PM

The mind control experiments at McGill are mentioned as a foundation for Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" (a must read).

Whether cults surround the MKULTRA is anyone's guess but these experiments did take place there at McGill.

There is an interesting corollary, that of Scientology, John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
Hollywood is prone to this kind of cult, drugs abound, especially in the movie industry but whether there is a extensive coordinated effort to take over minds is kind of flimsy in that these incidents described seem sporadic.

I didn't know that Christopherson worked for the CIA. Is this really true?

I do know this. Drugs change the mind chemistry and weird things happen to people who get mixed up in them. I recommend Dave Crosby's book "Long Time Coming" as a background for the Hollywood pop scene centered around the Troubadour on Santa Monica Boulevard. He describes the drug scene in music very well. I encountered many people who fit the description of "alters" that were abusing LSD, one notable fine guitarist who was checked into Camarillo and came out with a shell like personality.

I attribute a lot of what happened in the Sixties and Seventies in the music scene to the control of the business side of recording through supplying access to drugs.
I was in Hollywood around the Seventies and saw a lot of stuff happening.

Cults are a Hollywood staple. The entertainment business is highly susceptible
to them.

I don't think that this story is as strange as it's painted. The commercial music business has it's weird side due to drug use.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:52 PM

Thanks Stringsinger. L.C. was into Scientology for a while.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:54 PM

http://www.ctka.neHere's part of the story of the Allan Memorial Institute's complicity in t/pr300-mkultra.html CIA experiments. That fucking agency deserves to have its balls handed to it in small pieces. Bastards. A piece of history often hidden from Americans, and a piece of history absent in too many Canadian texts.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:56 PM

Don't know what the heck I did there, but the link works.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:08 PM

I am NOT suggesting Cohen was involved. I don't believe the story and a continued reading of various comments from that Facebook page seem to make the tale somewhat uh, dubious.

Cohen is a writer. Almost by definition he's strange. I know little about him other than I like some of his songs.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:24 PM

Meanwhile in California:

Inside the LC

That is a more intelligent take on conspiracy theory because while it pulls together a lot of weird stuff, it doesn't attempt to construct some overarching paranoid explanation in the way Ann Diamond does.

Looks quite likely on her evidence that Cohen had some connection with the Montreal/CIA experiments as a young man. But her evidence thins out *very* fast in more recent decades, leaving nothing but unsupported personal impressions and creative interpretations of song lyrics. "Alters" my arse.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:44 PM

Hmm. Interesting story. I have no opinion about it one way or another, but it's interesting. I very much like Leonard Cohen's work...and, yes...he is undeniably strange, as are many people in the entertainment business. This is stuff we can speculate about all we like, but I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

I suggest a reading of Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" for some insight into the mind control experiments that took place in Canada under the direction of the CIA...and which greatly damaged many of the "patients".


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: meself
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 01:26 AM

If the story of Dr Cameron (of McGill U.) and his CIA-funded research were not in the public record, and had not been thoroughly reported in 'respectable', mainstream media news sources, you wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't, anyway.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:27 AM

Skimmed it. Saw a few conclusions, didn't see citation one to suggest that there was actually any fact involved in that blog entru. That's the thing about the Internet. Anyone can say anything.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:48 AM

I agree with Stilly. However, the conclusions that can be drawn by some people are scary to say the least. If we, as human beings, decide that anything goes, that any reaction is justified...

Like (from 9's link):

"It is now clear we are facing an implacable enemy whose avowed objective is world domination.... There are no rules in such a game. Hitherto accepted norms of human conduct do not apply.... If the United States is to survive, long-standing American concepts of fair play must be reconsidered... We must learn to subvert, sabotage and destroy our enemies by more clever, more sophisticated, more effective methods than those used against us."

Sounds like a video game, huh.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: C. Ham
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 03:04 PM

Since yesterday, I've been reading through Ann Diamond's two blogs with utter fascination. They include Mother of Darkness, from which the posting I linked to at the beginning of this thread comes from, and Driving the trance Canada.

Diamond is a very good writer but she seems to be living in a paranoid fantasy land. She is obsessed with Leonard Cohen and many of her eyewitness stories about him are not true according to a poet I know in Montreal who knows both of them.

And I really find many of her stories to be unbelievable, including that Kris Kristofferson was a CIA operative responsible for Janis Joplin.

Diamond also believes that her late father was reincarnated as one of the Backstreet Boys (who are under the mind control of Disney, a CIA company).

It is true that the CIA was involved in some gruesome experiments in Montreal (see this article from the Montreal Gazette), there is nothing beyond Ann Diamond's writing to suggest any connection with Leonard Cohen.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: pdq
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 03:56 PM

The link that Jack Campin supplied is a "must read" for all fans of 1960s Rock and Folk Rock from the southern California scene.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,MahoganyFolk
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 09:15 PM

Thanks for sharing the story!


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Jul 12 - 09:39 PM

Yo. Bien dit!


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 12:57 PM

Interesting responses to my blog on L.C.
The more you know about the McGill mind control program, the more it will resonate with some people. Otherwise, it could easily seem like a paranoid fantasy. I encourage C. Ham to live next door to Leonard Cohen and meet his entourage sometime.

Obviously we're waiting for the definitive biography while the facts of his career speak loud and clear (and mainly fall on deaf ears). A mind controlled ex-McGill student who got further training at Columbia (he flunked or dropped out of both institutions), he remains in NYC to infiltrate the Beat scene there. In 1960, when he is still an unknown and has not written any famous songs, he is featured playing guitar with a group of other "artists" in LIFE magazine photos which are clearly posed to send two messages, one to the public and one to the intelligence community. A few months later, he "accidentally wanders" into the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961 and is arrested as an American spy.

This, my friends, are just the first pages torn from the CV of a budding operative, and CIA spymaster Allen Dulles looms behind all these projects. I would be the first person to agree that LC is the sweetest, smartest singer you'll ever meet - that's one of his faces. He would not get far in the music business if that were all.

Kristofferson, meanwhile, has been associated with Satanist/pedophile Michael Aquino who founded the Temple of Set and has gone unprosecuted for heinous crimes against children and women. Both are AF, both allegedly involved in drug and human trafficking. I suggest you stop humming along and go download and read Dave McGowan's e-book on the Pedophilocracy -- and follow the links.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: pdq
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 01:14 PM

There may be some confusion when "L. C." is used to denote both Leonard Cohen and Laurel Canyon, the subject of the amazing blog that Jack Campin linked to.

Again, the story of the start of Folk-Rock in Laurel Canyon is both amazing and horrible.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,Ann Diamond
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 03:25 PM

Thank you for pointing out a source of possible confusion. Dave McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon is essential reading for anyone trying to understand the music business back in the hippie days. Leonard Cohen, who once told me "I never liked the Beatles," arrived as a Nixonian straight man if you equate the Beatles with JFK, long hair and liberalism.

Cohen's career was going nowhere by the end of 1980, and then John Lennon died just as Ronald Reagan (whom LC lavishly praised at the time) became President,ushering in the present era of mind-controlled assassins posing as "lone gunmen". You just had another one go off in Colorado. Reagan brought us the Iran Contra affair and the war in Nicaragia, which is interestingly tied into the CIA drug ops that Kristofferson allegedly had his hand in.

Cohen is often now portrayed as a saint rather than a gangster (times do change), and he runs his own spy network which, in Montreal, consists mainly of that "poet" C. Ham consulted, not one comma of whose story ever changes. Isn't it suspicious that he always repeats the same formulaic response, that I am a "very good writer" inexplicably obsessed with Leonard Cohen and "none of her stories are true." Fascinating. "None of them are true." Does that sound like a programmed response? And, seriously, could I make this stuff up?

I guess it's one of those tragic conundrums, that a woman can be obsessed and totally unreliable but also "a very good writer." When did "writing" becoming separate from thinking and observing and communicating what you observe and think in a coherent, readable manner.

I am venturing out onto thin ice because I'm getting tired of reading various attempts to make sense of Cohen's strange but all too decipherable career, penned by people who, needless to say, never lived next door to him. They do their best with what they have but none of them is aware of the MKULTRA program and its impact on Montreal, and certainly they did not live on Mount Baldy, or Hydra. I can think of only one person who does. And that's me. Let me reiterate: we met many times on the street before he got my phone number from a mutual acquaintance in 1977. He invited me to Hydra, gave me names and addresses of his friends. He strongly suggested I study with his Roshi.

None of the biographers can even guess what it would be like to be a young woman dealing with his erratic behaviour alternating between neediness, seduction and abuse -- which he began to refer to as "training." Plus the political dimension, whether we like to hear it or not, e.g. demanding that his girlfriends convert to Judaism ... those strange rants about Israel and "geopolitics" ... accusations of "mutiny" when I lost interest in the game... his intimations that there was a powerful cult behind him that was poised to take over the "scene"... and his slanted references to a coming holocaust that would punish the Gentiles for WW2...

Of course, his fans would be skeptical but just supposing my stories are true. I mean, what if? It's a crazy world out there and I don't blame singers for being caught in it, but I also think the audience has a right to peek behind the curtain, given that they pay for the music not to mention its subliminal content.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,mando-player-91
Date: 20 Jul 12 - 08:46 PM

I don't find anything really weird about the story if it's true which I doubt however I wouldn't want to be bound up like that. LSD however is another story I believe it's one of the most amazing things ever that science encountered.... a walk down the road trip. To think that today if used right all the things that LSD could go back to curing again


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 11:33 AM

I tell you what. I'm much more impressed by the fact that, having been out of the limelight, and not having toured for ages, in his mid seventies he performed on a wildly successful 3 year international tour than I am in this nasty thread. Sounds like b.s. to me. I can see Laughing Lennie's lawyers warming up in the bullpen.( Why are lawyers and tour double underlined?)


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 11:36 AM

Sorry. They were only underlined in the preview.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 11:49 AM

"... (who are under the mind control of Disney, a CIA company)."

I thought I smelled a rat.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 12:10 PM

Given the total lack of evidence that anybody in history has ever been "mind controlled" in the way AD would have us believe Lenny has been - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Jon Ronson's book "The Men Who Stare At Goats" is an eye-opener on this stuff. The US military kept on throwing millions down the toilet of spook-psych research for decades despite total failure to achieve any useful results at all.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 01:57 PM

On second thought this b. s. appears to be too old to be actionable. Too bad. L.C. could use some more dough for his pension fund.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,AD
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 01:26 PM

Sorry, wrong board. This is for music lovers, fans. Nobody here has ever heard of MKULTRA mind control, although the EMI label was set up by British intelligence during the Cold War, expressly to reach and control the minds of young people via rock and roll.

No evidence for mind control? Not if you don't want to look for it,and/or can't read or google. Searching <> or something similar will bring up, literally, thousands of pages. I know you're probably too busy ... but try it sometime.

Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
Some historians have asserted that creating a "Manchurian Candidate" subject through "mind control" techniques was a goal of MKUltra and related CIA projects ...

Origins and Techniques of Monarch Mind Control | Secret Arcana
secretarcana.com/.../monarch-programming-mind-control/
"Dr. Joseph Mengele of Auschwitz notoriety was the principle developer of the trauma-based Monarch Project and the CIA's MK Ultra mind control programs.

Probe V7N3: Mind Control Part I: Canadian and U.S. Survivors Seek ...
www.ctka.net/pr300-mkultra.html
In this case, the CIA involvement is real and the covert nature of the ... atrocities committed by CIA-funded mind-control (MC) researchers during the Cold War are rarely .... The prevailing anticommunist hysteria that grew to justify the MKULTRA ...
CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao8

CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA. ...

MK-Ultra, CIA Mind Control & Brain Washing to Make Assassins ...


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 01:38 PM

"if you equate the Beatles with JFK, long hair and liberalism". While the blog itself is mildly interesting as a source of 40-year-old gossip, stuff like this makes no sense. I've also never heard the term 'alter', in the sense of one of multiple personalities before. All sounds a bit David Icke.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: open mike
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 01:55 PM

i remember hearing that Leonard Cohen spent some time in a meditation retreat on top of a mountain in southern california....this was about the time that news was coming out that he was broke...then his career took a revival and he went on world tour shortly after that (74 years old?) does anyone know the name of the mountain retreat he was at? does anyone recall hearing any of this?


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: open mike
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 02:00 PM

"He has been living at an ashram at Mount Baldy Zen Center,in California,   for some time. " found on the web


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 02:16 PM

From LeonardCohen.com: He now divides his time between Mount Baldy, a Rinzai Buddhist mountain retreat about an hour north of the city (Los Angeles,) and his own two-story house close to a downtown temple in the neighbourhood of Crenshaw.

Does anyone else confuse him and Leonard (Spock) Nimoy?


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Elmore
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 02:56 PM

When he was younger people used to claim he looked like Dustin Hoffman.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 03:00 PM

Yeah, well, those people all kinda look alike. Probably the result of a 50+ year secret program of genetic selection.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Beer
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 03:26 PM

I have a very special recording of Leonard when he performed at a Psy. hospital i work at. Sent a copy to his manager in Cal. We communicated until he received it. Then nothing.. Hope Leonard got to hear it as it is something I think he would enjoy. This was 1971 hand held cassette recording. Not even a thank you from his manager. Oh well, what can you say, some folks just think they are extra special. And i don't mean Leonard.
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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:51 PM

Nobody here has ever heard of MKULTRA mind control

I imagine most people reading this have known about MK-ULTRA for a few decades, as I have.

It was a total failure at "mind control". They certainly wanted to be able to make people act like programmed robots in the way you claim Lenny is. There is no evidence they succeeded, even to the tiniest extent, with any subject. It was effective as goat-staring and failed with far greater brutality and expense.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: meself
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:02 PM

Hey, Beer - Would that have been the same manager that stole all Lennie's money, I wonder?


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: Beer
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 06:34 PM

No , it is the one he has now.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 09:21 PM

I have no idea whether this L.C. story is true or not, simply because I have read nothing to substantiate or refute a link between L.C. and MK-Ultra.

As a music lover, I am still naive enough to believe that the music I have been listening to for the last 60 years was not put out there with the express purpose of controlling my mind, other than to sell a few records of course. Beyond that, I would have to regard such efforts to have been a futile waste of time and resources, and doomed to failure as I have never mastered the art of controlling my own mind from engaging in its erratic ramblings.

If the accuracy of this story can be judged by the statement made by Guest.AD at 22 Jul 12 - 01:26 PM

"Nobody here has ever heard of MKULTRA mind control, although the EMI label was set up by British intelligence during the Cold War, expressly to reach and control the minds of young people via rock and roll."

then I think this should confined to the BS section.

The EMI label was set up when? For what?

I think Guest.AD should read the History of EMI, and in particular the section 1930 - 1949. EMI was around a little before the Cold War and Rock & Roll.

Dream on! I think I'll stick to my naivety, thanks.


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Subject: RE: Very strange Leonard Cohen story
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Jul 14 - 02:55 AM

More from Ann Diamond on her favorite next door neighbou: http://www.lulu.com/shop/ann-diamond/the-man-next-door/ebook/product-21686963.html


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