BS: Chick-fil-A flap

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:01 PM

As it turns out they are getting multi million dollars of free publicity. Its almost as if they planned it all.

So far this is the best comment I have seen/

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:19 PM

Agree, Jack. I've never been in one of their restaurants and haven't heard of them in ages until this happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:40 PM

From what I've read about the company in operating on its Christian values, "sinfulness" is a disqualifier for those who might like to acquire a Chik-fil-a franchise. No evidence it's come into play, but that would seem possible grounds to disqualify homosexuals as franchise holders.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html
http://nexus.som.yale.edu/chick-fil-a/ (Yale case study)

In addition to the NH franchisee, the only one in Chicago has spoken out in support of LGBT rights. Some gay employees have been having a hard time of it lately: Huff Post.

Corporate monies (through the WinShape Foundation - their charitable arm) have gone to organizations that actively work against the legalization of same-sex marriage, and some of those organizations also are seen to have an agenda hateful toward homosexuals. Detailed here: http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001

Here's an even-handed statement from a Christian perspective: Rachel Held Evans: Some words for Christians on both sides of the Chick-fil-A war (written before the C-F-A Appreciation Day). She has a sad post today: When you feel out of step with your religious community....

I think the Boston & Chicago mayors are making a big mistake, and I note that there are prominent statements from activists for marriage equality making statements to that effect (Andrew Sullivan, and Steve Salbu, in an NY Times op-ed).

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 08:58 PM

Great links, Becky.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 09:14 PM

I dunno. All I can say is that I'm getting really hungry looking at all the pictures of chicken sandwiches that I've come across in the course of this discussion....

Becky's links were some of the most tempting.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Stu
Date: 03 Aug 12 - 04:37 AM

30 years old, and still as relevant as ever: Are you a gay christian?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: beeliner
Date: 04 Aug 12 - 01:27 AM

Many years ago, I lived in Western PA and there was a Chick-Fil-A in a mall in Greensburg, PA - perhaps it's still there - and they had the best dam' cole slaw I have ever tasted. Pure ambrosia!

My only complaint was that they allowed smoking.

Wearing one's religion on one's sleeve is rarely advantageous in business; as my paapy told me when I left home, "Son, never do business with a man who keeps a Bible on his desk."

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 12 - 01:37 PM

Take, for a moment, a different tack. How would folks that approve of the 3 mayors' actions feel about a city in, say, Mississippi refusing outfits like Ikea or KFC permits because they have publically appealed to gays?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Aug 12 - 02:00 PM

Unfortunately for your whole point there, anti-gay is discrimination and pro-gay is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 04 Aug 12 - 02:12 PM

To repeat, after two days of zero responses:

Gay marriages threaten traditional marriages by doing what precisely?

If somebody would explain that, there might be a basis for discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 12:09 PM

"3 mayors' actions feel about a city in, say, Mississippi refusing outfits like Ikea or KFC permits because they have publically appealed to gays? "

I hope to hell that you don't think that Cathy was appealing to heterosexuals with his talk about arrogance and such. What is arrogant is sticking your "Christian" beliefs into someone else's bedroom.

If the mayor of Jackson Mississippi wanted to ban a fast food company Because the President said people like Cathy should have their reproductive rights abridged until it was assured that they wouldn't pass their hatred onto their children. I would agree and you would have a point you bravely nameless guest.

But if the issue is as you said it is, then the conflict is over. Chick fil A is now publicly appealing to gays. No doubt, in part at least, thanks to the statements of the mayors.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 12:33 PM

Jeri-
While there are laws against some discriminatory actions, I'm not aware of any laws against having a personal opinion that's discriminatory. And I've heard nothing about the company in question acxtually discriminating against gays.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:21 PM

Not all discrimination is negative. We discriminate on sex between close relatives, even if they agree to be sterilised, while the arguably much more dangerous "sex between men" is promoted as "safe and healthy"

At last, the health figures associated with the practice of homosexuality are to be brought into the debate and we will begin to deal with the the reality of the issue....not an emotional response on "equality"

Latest figures are from Uniads "79% of all new hiv infections come from 2% of the population(MSM)"
"20% of homosexuals in major US cities carry the virus"


Compulsory registration and testing is reqd if the increase in infection is to be halted.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:30 PM

A definition for anyone who might need to read it.

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on his or her membership - or perceived membership - in a certain group or category. It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to a group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decisionmaking.[1]

Discriminatory laws such as redlining exist in many countries. In some places, controversial attempts such as racial quotas have been used to redress negative effects of discrimination -- but have sometimes been called reverse discrimination themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 01:33 PM

chicken-offsets-ted-frank

At last! a positive response! ;-p

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 02:06 PM

Dick, I understand your point, but as the company's owner, there may be a greater import to his words.

It IS a fine line, but if it can be reasonably assumed that he was speaking for the business, I believe it can also be reasonably assumed to be stating his intention to discriminate or condone discrimination.

Say, for instance, the manager of Burger King or... Denny's... publicly said he didn't approve of people of people of different races eating together. Is it a reasonable assumption of a business owner's intent to discriminate, or is it one guy voicing an opinion?

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 02:28 PM

Maybe more gay marriage would slow down the spread of HIV/AIDS. People who get married at least intend to be faithful to their partner.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: John P
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 07:56 PM

Cathy can say whatever he wants. I wouldn't eat at Chick-fill-a for two reasons: one is that the corporation gives lots of money to anti-civil rights campaigns. Two is the dumb-ass spelling of their name. The opinion of the owner is only important if it points to what the company does in the political arena.

I'm divided about mayors saying they don't want the restaurants in town. I don't think they should get to do anything about it other than opine. On the other hand, if there was a restaurant chain that had an owner who said that black folks were an inferior race, and if the corporation was giving lots of money to the KKK, I wouldn't want them in my city. But I don't think it wouldn't be Constitutional to deny them a permit for that reason. On the other hand, having public repercussions for people who bring hate speech (and money) into our political discourse is maybe not such a bad idea. Sort of like, "You have the right to say anything you like, but your monetary support of anti-civil rights groups means that you lose the right to do business in this town."

Another solution, of course, would be for the news media to stop repeating hate speech. Talk about playing into the hands of the bigots!

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 11:06 PM

Jeri-
Legally (thank God) it doesn't matter what a person thinks ( or says, xcept for the crying "Fire" in a crowded theater bit). Until Chick-Fil-a tries to act on their presidents' beliefs, the mayors have no business doing anything at sll about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 11:19 PM

The mayors have as much right to speak as Cathy and when they did speak Chick fil A back peddled from Cathy's stance.

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Aug 12 - 12:34 AM

I'm with Lighter -
I can't figure out how in the world it could be, that a homosexual marriage is a thread to my heterosexual marriage. All I can figure is that these people figure that if homosexuals can't marry homosexuals, they'll marry heterosexuals instead and somehow get "cured." I've known one homosexual who tried that, and his wife thought he was the perfect husband until she discovered he had hundreds of male lovers. The results were disastrous, and came close to destroying the two children of that marriage.
My religious faith tells me that homosexuals should not marry heterosexuals. I don't have any reason to think that religious authorities who oppose gay marriage, have any sort of legitimate enlightenment in this matter.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Chick-fil-A flap
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Aug 12 - 06:50 AM

Have the mayors actually done anything, or are they just stating their opinions?

And at what point does speech = acting? Verbal bullying would count as both. I don't think the CfA stuff has reached that point, and I've read where gay employees have been hearing as much garbage from anti-anti-gays as from anti-gays, mainly due (I believe) to the employees not wearing a sign identifying them is gay, and to the fact that people tend to take available opportunities to shoot of their mouths.