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Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?

JohnInKansas 31 Jul 12 - 06:17 PM
framus 31 Jul 12 - 07:39 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 31 Jul 12 - 08:07 PM
Ross Campbell 31 Jul 12 - 11:10 PM
JohnInKansas 01 Aug 12 - 12:56 AM
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Subject: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 06:17 PM

A news report posted a couple of hours ago indicates some "features" for the latest Apple Security Update that may include reasons for some Apple users - and Windows users of Safari - to be concerned.

I will NOT POST a link to the article, because the URL that comes up looks slightly "strange" (why would a link URL need to be 492 characters long and identify both my ISP and my home page in the link????) Maybe later if I figure out what's going on.

You should be able to find the article easily via under "US News" or several other msnbc pages, or at SecurityNews if interested, and Norton gives the report (and the bizarre url) both clean readings.

The significant part of the report is:


Apple security update ditches Snow Leopard, Windows users

Almost all those vulnerabilities expose users to attack by maliciously crafted Web pages

By Paul Wagenseil
Security News
31 July 2012

Last week, Apple released the latest version of its Safari Web browser, patching more than 100 vulnerabilities. But if you're running an older version of Mac OS X or any version of Windows, you're in for some harsh luck.

Safari 6 is available only for the brand-new OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and its predecessor, OS X 10.7 Lion, which itself is barely a year old.

Users of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, which as of June was running on nearly 40 percent of all Macs, apparently won't be getting the upgrade.

As for Safari for Windows, Apple has removed all traces of it from its website.

A request to Apple for comment was not immediately returned. ...

[end quote]

There's a little more in the original article, but the couple of things that might be of interest to people here are that:

a) what appears to be a significant security update (127 vulnerabilities mentioned?) will not be available to users of Apple OS versions that apparently haven't been out long enough for people to get well acquainted with them.

b) Safari for Windows has "been disappeared" from the Apple website.

There may be perfectly innocent reasons for the rather unusual nature of the release, but it seems worth watching for further reports to see if explanations appear - if anyone sees reasons to be concerned.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: framus
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:39 PM

You miss Steve Jobs, don'ya?
Don't even start to understand most of the above (sorry!], but would love a book to teach me the iMac.
I am just about competent with the iPad, but the Mac scares me witless (adjust leading consonants to suit).
Can anybody assist, please?

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Subject: RE: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 08:07 PM

Well, this Snow Leopard AND Windows user (XP & 7) has just dirched Safari. Seems like a real shoot-yourself-in-the-foot move. What else do they think we're going to do? How to sabotage your product, lose goodwill and alienate customers, chapter 986.

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Subject: RE: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 11:10 PM

I abandoned Safari in favour of Firefox sometime back when Safari started refusing to load my email service. Discovered later that an upgrade to OS 10.4 and corresponding Safari version would have solved the problem. Currently still using Power PC Macs, so all this new stuff is rather academic. My attempt at future-proofing was to buy an Intel-powered Mac Mini, but even that, with Snow Leopard OS 10.6, is verging on the obsolete as far as Apple is concerned.

framus - there have been (so far) four different iMac processors -the G3 iMac is an all-in-one CRT box with multi-coloured body, the G4 iMac is the dome-shaped body with anglepoise screen, The G5 and Intel models look like a simple monitor screen, all the computer gubbins is contained in the frame behind. More important as far as learning how to use your machine is knowing what operating system you have. This determines what other software your computer will run. If you click on the Apple symbol at top left of your screen, then click "About this Mac", you will see information on what type of machine you have, what OS is loaded and details of processor speed and memory. Clicking "More info" will list the various technical specifications of your computer's components.

When you've figured out what operating system you have, I would recommend acquiring the appropriate version of one of the Mac "Bibles". The documentation included with computers is less than useless and the Apple "Help" screens are designed in such an arcane way that it is incredibly difficult to find out how to do what you want. I have found the "Missing Manual" series very useful, the "*** for Dummies" series probably as good, and there are others. I have found the ones I needed on eBay or from about £3 (They're about ten times that new!)

PM me if there's anything specific I could help you with.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:56 AM

While I can't really put the changes indicated "in context," some people who actually use Safari and/or Mac stuff might relate the exclusion of the "newest" Safari updates to the Microsoft exclusion of the latest internet explorer from WinXP.

I'm not sure that IE9 won't run on WinXP, but it's "approved" only for Vista and Win7 (and maybe Win8 but we don't know yet). On the other hand, WinXP is 12 or 14 years old, well past "scheduled support termination," and still running on about 40% (?) of Windows machines extant - and the IE versions it does run do still get patches.

Versions excluded from this Safari update are only about 2(?) years old. (the terms "Baby" and "Bathwater" come to mind?)

Apple could have plans for a separate update for the older ("pre-adolescent" as opposed to new "infant") versions. It's also possible that it's just taking a little longer to get Safari for Windows patched, so they've pulled new downloads temporarily, until they figure out what to do with it.

It's not so much that the "New Apple" doesn't present a pretty picture. It's just that the picture is an incoherent Picasso - at least for now; but then Windows users who might have thought about it (the 0.32%?) have always found Apple somewhat unscrutchable.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Apple Security Update - Strange?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 07:24 PM

Does anyone know if or how these security issues affect Safari on iPad2's? Mine runs ios4 rather than 5 (which I can get if need be) but I'm in the dark about what the situation even IS.

Jeeze, "exclusions"! You'd think that people capable of writing this software would also be capable of putting two & two together. The baby isn't so much being thrown out with the bathwater as drowned in it. The folks at Firefox and Chrome must be grinning like Cheshire cats.

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