BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 11:13 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 11:05 AM

Yup, you are right, Eliza. A much more supportive and humane society is the real solution to ending all kinds of abuse, drug abuse included. But it's a very complex solution that needs to be applied on many levels, so it tends to elude people who are primarily focused on money, competition, and survival.

LEJ - There are people I agree with about almost everything, people I agree with about a fair number of things, people I agree with about just a few things....but I have never yet encountered anyone that I agree with about absolutely NOTHING.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 07:44 AM

Eliza... "I know this sounds twee and vague..."

Not at all. It's bang on.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 05:02 AM

I think Little Hawk has made the most telling remark here:- "It's amazing what people will do to escape their pain." It would be excellent (and maybe in the far future it may happen) if people of all ages who were in psychological pain were nurtured and tended by society, given support and sincere concern and care, and helped to come to terms with whatever it was that damaged their happinesss. At present far too many folk are not getting this love and care. I know this sounds twee and vague, but nevertheless I defend it as the only real answer to the substance abuse among all age groups. A closer-knit society and culture would help. Too many people are alone, feel rejected and have been maltreated in various ways. I've often found Little Hawk's postings to be very insightful and balanced.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 04:11 AM

It's alcohol that causes the brain damage.
That, and buying lottery tickets.
(:-( ))=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 02:57 AM

Smoking cigarettes is a stupid habit. I did it for 10 years and quit thirty two years ago. I got smart, you might say.
But I will also say this: If use of marijuana is a component of intelligence, then I would suggest it may have it's benefit, if the statements of those who indicate some use in this thread are weighed against those who don't. Anytime you find yourself agreeing with sawzall or whatever his name is, and Norman Crunkle, you might want to question your views, there LH.

BTW, well said gnu. You are quite a roller when you get a head of steam.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 01:13 AM

Oh ...I'll add this in regards to Bobert's post @ 31 Aug 12 - 08:45 PM

hemp

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 01:12 AM

There is a legal hemp farm near here, and the hemp is used to make all kinds of useful products, including various types of highly nutritious food. You can't get high on this hemp. It contains virtually no THC.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: number 6
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 01:08 AM

gnu ... no problem ... no need to apologize.

I certainly didn't expect this thread to get so many posts ... I did expect much the content of the posts to be as they are ... after all, this is the Madcat.

biLL ... ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,999
Date: 01 Sep 12 - 12:09 AM

"I know members of my own family have been fucked up {{and}} by high THC. weed."

They shouldn't have been smoking it. Grass is like booze. It is NOT for everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:45 PM

You'd be amazed at how much CO2 an acre of cannibus turns into oxygen, ya'll and it can be turned into bio-fuel, building material, rope, clothing and hundreds of other things... It is the answer for the future and maybe actually get an entire generation a better life...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:28 PM

Hey Gnu, THC and the related mindfuck are not relevant to what Nurses do (illegally everyday) to help deeply sick people pass on. Different issue, thanks.

I know members of my own family have been fucked up and by high THC. weed.
I also know a lot of old stoners too, my Dad and many friends included. None bar immediate family have suffered serious mindfuck, only younger guys, so you old gits can pontificate however much you like, because it's not you old gits suffering from serious mental illnesses after all, that's for the younger gits.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:28 PM

And you lose more reality and intelligence points every time you post inane bullshit and incoherent arguements in unitelligible attempts at logic and language. Do you not realize your written words are posted for everyone in the entire world to read forever? Nobody is perfect but few fuck up as badly as you. You are a hack troll, at best. Have a toke and mellow out, man.

BTW, none for me. I stopped decades ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:10 PM

You gnet gnold, gnu. Real gnold.
(:-( P)=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 08:04 PM

Yeah... that's about what I would expect from someone of your IQ.

I think this thread is a few points short of an IQ overall. sIx's OP was a good one and the discussion could have been meaningful but the ensuing bullshit stinks.

Sorry sIx.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:55 PM

They're just a bunch of panhandlers anyway.
Begging for money to buy dope.
And only dopes use dope.
(:-( P)=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:26 PM

Hank... "Let's discuss children and glue sniffing.
Do you think when they run out of pot they sniff glue?
Does it lower their IQ?
gnu?"

No. Does what lower their IQ?

I think you need to find out what has lowered your IQ that causes you to ask such inane questions and to not be able to form proper thoughts and convey them in written language.

... "but the reality is that modern *strong* weed strains do have a damaging impact upon the mind."

Give us some facts and figures and bear in mind that not all druggies smoke drugs the way you think they do.

"It's amazing what people will do to escape their pain."

Indeed it is, LH. Just as amazing as what some people will do to cause others pain. Twisting words and arguements, make innuendos, spewing "facts" without any evidence... controls freaks the lot. Well, except for any obvious trolls.

Smoke em if ya got em.

BTW, I was watchin a buddy die this afternoon in palliative care at the hop until he fell asleep and I figured it was time to go. He is kinda sick, eh? The methadone dose wasn't doin the trick so they upped it 25% and it makes him sleepy. The oxy is gone (assholes for $) so it's all they can do until he needs morphine... I guess. Oh, yeah, right, no morphine on accounta we are at war with those heathen bastards that grow the shit. Why, I hope Harper and Obama bomb the hell out of them so we can all be safe... after they finish spraying all the ganja crops with that shit that causes kidney failure and Parkinson's disease... that'll teach those pesky teenagers to mind their IQs!!! Who needs stupid teenagers anyway? May as well kill them as have them hang out at the mall smokin dope, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 06:54 PM

It's nice that the old stoners here have never felt any bad effects from their odd joint - most old stoners I know don't either, but the reality is that modern *strong* weed strains do have a damaging impact upon the mind.

I'm in too close contact with both dealers and users to not know that this is objectively so. Eliza has her own experiences from a different direction, neither of us are lacking in experience here, but this thread reeks of overage teenage posturing.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 06:36 PM

I used to smoke cigarettes. I just wanted to fit in.

I decided to quit. It wasn't easy, It took maybe 10 years for the desire to go away.

Now that I have quit and I see other people smoking, it seems like the dumbest thing a person could do to themselves.

What is the need? What is the advantage other than the cool factor?

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:33 PM

Aerosol propellants.
(:-( O)=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:16 PM

Does it ever! My friends with the hobby shop would occasionally get some wretched teenage individual coming in to buy glue...and with obviously no interest in hobbies whatsoever. These individuals, always males, were clearly missing a good 50% of their original brain cells, and my friends would tell them, "Sorry, we don't stock that tube glue anymore."

Then there's gasoline sniffing...a seemingly popular way of destroying those pesky brain cells on some of our Canadian Native reservations in far nothern communities.

It's amazing what people will do to escape their pain.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 11:53 AM

Let's discuss children and glue sniffing.
Do you think when they run out of pot they sniff glue?
Does it lower their IQ?
gnu?
(:-( ))=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 11:22 AM

Yikes! I agree with Bonzo about something. I always thought that smoking anything was a really weird idea...it makes no sense at all. No animal would be so stupid. If you want to enjoy the THC in pot, do the sensible thing...eat it!

This proves that we can all find common ground if we just look hard enough. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:58 AM

LEJ... or call it a deficiency. Aloof and simplistic.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 03:03 AM

people who smoke anything must have a low IQ!

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 01:10 AM

Ah me. When you don't like or approve of something, how comforting it is to aloofly call it a weakness. And I want someone to tell me how many marijuana addicts have murdered someone to procure more weed.
Ever heard of live and let live?
And because something's legal, it doesn't mean anyone is required or even encouraged to consume it. I would never even offer you a glass of Cabernet if it's an insult to your inner strength and appreciation or reality.
But to criminalize something as innocuous as marijuana smoking makes me wonder how secure in your reality you really are.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:54 AM

Perfectly stated, DDT. You have described the problem with most present day research quite correctly. It serves the predetermined purposes of those organizations who funded it. If not, further funding is not made available to the research group, and the results are not published.

We not only live in the age of BS and propaganda, we live in the age of institutional (and media) cowardice.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:09 AM

You have to understand why that happens: all research is funded. The researchers are indebted to the funders and must basically produce the results that the funders want to see. The experiments and what not are all set up to give the desired results and hence no real control groups. They don't dare bite the hand that feeds them. And if you want AMA or ADA or Heart Association or any other groups' endorsement on your study, you just buy it with the funder's money (and permission). No joke--their endorsements are for sale. You buy the endorsements you want. People will think these groups actually cared about that study and have looked it over. Sorry but they are too busy counting the money to care about the study.

It's all bullshit. We live in the age of bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:56 PM

What amazes me is that the studies I have read about don't have a sound basis. That is, they don't have a contolled sample group (yeah, I KNOW it's almost impossible... which is sommat else that bugs me) or a controlled reporting procedure or anything else controlled. D'ya s'pouse the researchers are on the ganja er what eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:51 PM

>>>>I do however feel that the number of folk in the research group in the article above was not large.<<<<

The above article was useless as anything educational. Its purpose was to put out anti-pot propaganda. Its title is totally misleading and couple that with the first few paragraphs that I quoted and that's all most people are going to read of it so its purpose was served. Reading further turns out to be a waste of time because it then admits that the info in the first few paragraphs was BS. Then it states that those with schizo natures may develop them from smoking pot but then it goes on to state that pot may actually have beneficial effects with schizo patients. Then it winds it up with saying that people still shouldn't take it because we really can't be sure how it effects people and hence it could be bad for them.

So what do you learn from the article? Nothing. It had nothing to say of any importance. Its purpose was to put out anti-pot propaganda through its midleading title and first few paragraphs.

It's indicative the useless information that the mass media bombards us with everyday that we have become so inured to that we accept it as something worthwhile.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: gnu
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:53 PM

Hank..., "I think the total lack of integrity in the average American is a much bigger problem than any drug use. Most people's word is worthless. They lie, cheat, steal anything from anybody. And it's fine and dandy by them. They should be ashamed, but they have no shame."

That's rather endearing.

No shame? That's almost laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:17 PM

The family I have been describing were all treated by the same psychiatrist, who told me herself (I was involved as a volunteer support agent) that cannabis had played a huge part in the problems they had all suffered, and in her opinion had triggered incipient, genetic schizophrenia. After having attended the funeral of the young woman, I decided not to continue this work as it was so very harrowing and sad. I can accept that perhaps the psychiatrist was not up-to-date with the latest research, as this was quite a few years ago.I do however feel that the number of folk in the research group in the article above was not large.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:06 PM

Excellent point, Jeri.

People usually decide FIRST about something controversial, according to their usual customary set of prejudices, preferences, and fears what they want to consider as "the truth". Then they hunt around and cherry-pick whatever bits of "evidence" and opinion seem to best fit their desire and they ignore (or don't even notice) the rest.

It's easier that way. And far more satisfying. You could call it "selective vision" or "selective blindness". The mass media do that too when they bring us what they term "the news".   They find exactly what they wanted to find before they went out looking.

If you think in terms of hammering, everything becomes a nail.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:47 PM

I think the total lack of integrity in the average American is a much bigger problem than any drug use. Most people's word is worthless.
They lie, cheat, steal anything from anybody. And it's fine and dandy by them.
They should be ashamed, but they have no shame.
(:-( ))=

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:39 PM

The article also tells us

In recent months, new research has explored some of these issues. One study led by Dr. Serge Sevy, an associate professor of psychiatry at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, looked at 100 patients between the ages of 16 and 40 with schizophrenia, half of whom smoked marijuana. Sevy and colleagues found that among the marijuana users, 75% had begun smoking before the onset of schizophrenia and that their disease appeared about two years earlier than in those who did not use the drug. But when the researchers controlled for other factors known to influence schizophrenia risk, including gender, education and socioeconomic status, the association between disease onset and marijuana disappeared.

(Emphasis mine) You can't just cherry-pick parts that turn your crank.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:33 PM

Thank you A Reg, most interesting. The issue of not taking ones medication affected one of the young people I mentioned on my earlier post. He often neglected to take his tablets and smoked cannabis instead. The result was very bad. At one point, he was found by police in the middle of an 'A' road trying to 'exterminate the aliens' (ie confronting approaching vehicles travelling at speed). He also tried to jump from a high wall, but a passer-by grabbed him. None of this is in the least funny or clever, just very sad indeed. He had been perfectly normal until his late teens, when the drug-taking began.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:24 PM

>>>>Since the days of Reefer Madness, scientists have sought to understand the complex connection between marijuana and psychosis.<<<

What connection?? There has NEVER been a "connection." This statement simply assumes one and sets up the reader for the rest of this pseudoscientific article.

>>>>Cannabis can cause short-term psychotic experiences, such as hallucinations and paranoia, even in healthy people,<<<<<

In all my years of smoking marijuana I have NEVER had a hallucination. As for paranoia, I wouldn't recommend smoking pot if you're worrying over something as it tends to intensify that worry but then I wouldn't recommend using any drug if you're worried or pissed off or depressed (unless, of course, it's medication specifically to treat that condition). But, no, healthy people do not have hallucinations from smoking pot unless it's been treated with or taken in conjunction with some other drug that does induce hallucinations.

I have never known ANYONE who hallucinated on pot and I'm talking about going back decades and knowing hundreds of users.

>>>>>but researchers have also long noted a link between marijuana use and the chronic psychotic disorder, schizophrenia.<<<<

No they have not. While I do not smoke pot much these days, I was a very heavy user in my younger days. I am not nor have ever been schizophrenic and have never to my knowledge met anyone who is. If there was any link, there wouldn't be upwards of 20 million pot smokers in the U.S.

>>>>Repeatedly, studies have found that people with schizophrenia are about twice as likely to smoke pot as those who are unaffected. Conversely, data suggest that those who smoke cannabis are twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as nonsmokers.<<<<

Again, pure BS. One more time: if this was true the 20 million pot smokers in this country would be a HUGE threat to this nation's well-being. I don't think anybody TRULY believes this--except old, burned-out folkies long past the age of being useful to anyone much less themselves who are now trying to warn their children or grandchildren off using the same drugs they themselves used when they were growing up.

>>>>One widely publicized 2007 review of the research even concluded that trying marijuana just once was associated with a 40% increase in risk of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders.<<<<

Again, WHO really believes this?? This is the same old shit we used to read in the 60s: "One puff of the demon weed and I grabbed an ax and hash-browned my wife and kids." Yeah, right. Junk science at best. It's the same crap we read about taking one puff of crack can make you an addict for life or that AIDS is spreading among heterosexuals faster than among homosexuals or intravenous drug-users--and pot-heads if articles like this could get away with saying it.

This crap is no more scientific than articles that can prove the earth is 6000 years old or that global warming is a liberal, athiest, commie plot.

What's funny is that SMOKING pot is probably not the greatest way to treat your lungs and yet these articles are less interested in discussing that than in trying to prove that pot transforms intelligent, responsible people into psychotic, gibbering idiots.

A pox on this shameless crap and a double pox on people too dumb to know pseudoscientific garbage when they read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,A Reg.
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:55 PM

Marijuana and schizophrenia.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,DDT
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:38 PM

I'm sure pop culture has nothing to do with why kids are idiots these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 12:34 PM

The adverse effects of alcohol, even heroin and cocaine, overeating, smoking tobacco, can all (with effort and help) be reversed. But the mental illnesses and personality changes brought about by strong cannabis cannot. Once the schizophrenia has been triggered, the patient is on anti-psychotic medication for life.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 11:18 AM

Sawzaw, I agree with your every point in your 2nd to last post, and I'd have to say my experience has been virtually identical to yours. After having been around many pot smokers for years and years, I eventually tried it on a handful of occasions...simply in order to investigate and find out what the experience was like and why people would bother. I didn't want to remain ignorant of the actual experience, since it seemed to be of such concern to so many people.

My conclusion was the same as yours: I "made a decision that it distorted my perception of things and I could live without it. After the buzz went away everything was back to normal so what is the need? I will take normal over distorted any day."

I think there is a strong desire to avoid (or alter) reality in a great many people. One reason for that is...they find life painful to a greater or lesser extent. They'd like to escape the pain for awhile, so they injest a substance that helps them escape the pain for awhile. This could be alcohol, pot, crack cocaine, tobacco, a cup of hot tea, food, whatever... ;-) Anything that's a diversion helps you get away from the pain of life for awhile.

(I mentioned food because some people are "recreational" eaters who way overdo it. They eat far more than their body needs, get very overweight, and hurt their health. That's a form of addiction too, and it's based on emotional problems in most cases.)

You've got to decide for yourself whether the thing you're injesting to make yourself "feel better" is worth whatever negative side effects you may suffer from it. My impression of pot was, it wasn't worth it for me. I wasn't all that impressed anyway, and like you, I prefer not to artificially distort my perception of reality.

For someone who is in chronic physical pain, though, it may definitely be worth it.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:18 AM

For Bobert there is a Boss Hogg behind every Bush.

I think I felt a little paranoia while under a buzz.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:02 AM

Strong strains of weed do screw with your brain quite badly - my usually low-key partner became convinced government helicopters were following him wherever he went. I tried to tell him at the time that he wasn't important enough and it was paranoia induced by the weed (not Skunk incidentally but 'White Widow' - one of stronger strains of weed out there with a THC content of 20-25%) but he persisted freaking out about black helicopters until his regular access ceased to be so easy and he consequently ceased smoking. Needless to say, I'm glad he hasn't smoked much since then.

Otherwise, most of the people I've known have regularly smoked resin over the years. A much milder brew which so far as I know anecdotally is not reputed to induce the kinds of extreme paranoia and psychosis that extremely strong strains of weed more likely to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:03 AM

LH:

I agree about eliminating the laws but when an activity leads to people violating other people's right, that activity should be illegal.

For example people stealing and killing to obtain money for drugs. Also the criminal activity associated with supplying drugs.

Some say if a drug is made legal, the crime associated wit it will go away. I do not believe it. People can buy liquor but there are still moonshiners and violence associated with that.

Sometimes pot use leads to other illegal activity. If you watch Cops, seems like every time they pull a wobbly or suspicious driver over, they find drugs, guns, cash, stolen car, drivers license or registration violation, someone on probation, wanted criminals etc. It seems to come in a package of associated crimes.

But not always. If someone wants to smoke pot and it does not send them in the usual downward spiral, fine but why should they try to promote as something everybody should do? Even then the suppliers of pot engage in criminal activity that harms society overall. But pot smokers don't want to talk about the murderers they are supporting.

To my mind, only a dumbass would smoke pot and brag about it as a badge of honor. Very unwise.

Yes, I smoked pot a few times and made a decision that it distorted my perception of things and I could live with out it. After the buzz went away everything was back to normal so what is the need? I will take normal over distorted any day.

I can handle the world as it is any time. Why do I need an escape, especially an illegal escape? I don't give a damn if alligators are up to my ass, I can deal with it better without any distortion of reality.

It is the people under the influence that run off of the road and kill them selves or that kill someone not under the influence. So what good is the influence?

One of the major distortions I experienced was inability to judge distances or sizes of things. Things seemed so close or so far, so big or so small. How in the hell can you drive without being able to judge distances? Use a saw? Drive a nail?

Music sounded better, colors were brighter, food tasted better, but what advantage is that when you can't operate normally?

I wonder how many accidents at home like falling or breaking something were caused by a buzz?

I have heard that reality is for people that can't handle drugs. I believe the opposite is true.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:27 AM

He doesn't smoke pot, Bobert. I told you, his chosen recreational drugs are alcohol and tobacco.

1930s? Yeah. He came over on the banana boat in the early 30's, landed in New York, then moved to Chicago by the late 30's. He's one heck of a lively character considering his age! I can't account for it. He says it's due to all the booze and cigars...claims that they promote longevity.

You never know...maybe he made some kind of special deal at "the crossroads". Like Robert Johnson is reputed to have done. He was a contemporary of Humphrey Bogart, Errol Flynn, and Johnny Weismuller, fer Chrissake! They're long gone, but Chongo is still raisin' hell.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 10:37 PM

1930s???

Well, I guess he is gonna blame his pot smokin' on why he can't figure out the toilet???

Is that his last answer, LH???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 10:31 PM

Chongo's testimonial is a lot like yours, Bobert. He has smoked heavily and drunk heavily ever since the 1930s, and it hasn't stopped him from becoming a famous crime fighter, an inveterate skirt-chaser, a household name across America, a courageous champion of species equality, and a candidate for president! ;-)

I wonder what would have happened had he abstained from cigars and hard liquor, though? Might he have done even greater things?

We'll never know...

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 10:12 PM

LOL, EeeeeJaaaa...

BTW, Cowabunga and don't Bogart that joint, my friend...

B:~)

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 09:47 PM

But just think what you might have achieved if you hadn't smoked pot, Bob. You could be a Republican Congressman by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Young pot smokers run risk of lower IQ
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 09:29 PM

I've smoked pot since 1967... During that time I have:

Gotten two college degrees
Taught school
Worked as a GED teacher in the Richmond City Jail
Worked at a drug rehab (yeah) facility
Been a social worker
Been an assistant service manager at the largest Chevy dealer in central Va.
Owned and managed auto related businesses from 1982 until 2005 and...

...comfortably retired and...

...still buzzin'...

Pot ain't the problem... How you live your life is...

B~