BS: Reality: Real or Fake?

Subject: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:37 PM

I think it's a fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: bobad
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:43 PM

Life is bad enough - reality is ten times worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:44 PM

Another vote for fake...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:26 PM

read before you decide

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:28 PM

Page 88... "Everything must be somewhere."

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 10:30 PM

Why yes, we have 2nd opinions!

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Janie
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:10 PM

What the "bleep" do I know?

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Janie
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 11:12 PM

Or mebbe that would have been phrased as "how the bleep can I know?"

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: GUEST, Ebbie, housesitting
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 01:50 AM

That brings up an interesting question. I have quite frequently seen something that I discovered no one else had seen (Quiet, Bill D!:) and it got me to thinking: How can we possibly know what is real? One person's reality may be a far stretch from another's.

Two people standing side by side admiring a sunset- are they discussing the same things?

I remember one time years ago sitting in a car in north Portland, Oregon when the car filled with dancing, glittering, multi-colored lights (Actually, I thought it was a rainbow). I looked at my brother and laughed. He laughed with me. Years later he told me that he had seen nothing, that he laughed because I did.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Ernest
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 01:59 AM

Reality is just an illusion caused by lack of alcohol....

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 02:53 AM

Reality is for people who can't handle booze or drugs, and Henry Krinkle.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:19 AM

You talkin' to me?
You talkin' to me?

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: GUEST,Black Belt Caterpillar Wrestler
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 07:25 AM

I'm for pan-dimensional multi-personal solipsism (if I exist).

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 04:20 PM

Reality may sometimes be illusory, but it's not fake. "Fake" implies intentional deception. For reality to be fake, there would need to be a deceiver of Miltonian proportions. If we follow that path very far we'll wind up burning witches at the stake again. Let's just say that reality is real, but it's interpretation is subject to the imperfections of human perception and understanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:04 PM

"There was a faith healer of Deal,
Who said, "Although pain isn't real,
   When I sit on a pin
   And it punctures my skin,
I dislike what I fancy I feel."

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:18 PM

BWL... "... reality is real, but it's interpretation is subject to the imperfections of human perception and understanding."

Ohhh... wow... man. No, seriously, dude... waaaay cool.

Translation... well said, BWL.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:25 PM

(for Ebbie: The fact is, all experiences are real. Whether all the phenomena composing them are based in 'material' entities is not a question we can easily answer. *I* seldom have any that I have doubts about, but I know a number of folks who seem to. I have certain biases, but *shrug*.... maybe someday enlightenment will strike.)

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:32 PM

That is, Bill, if this entire thing known as life and Earth actually exist...

This could all be part of a collective mirage...

You know... An optical delusion...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 05:56 PM

Yeah, Bobert... that's what the philosopher David Hume said.... and he made a real good case for it, but then in a footnote he said..(paraphrased)"I really think my analysis is right on, but some days, it sure is hard to remember that when 'life' happens."

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:02 PM

By the way, when I said above, "For reality to be fake, there would need to be a deceiver of Miltonian proportions," I neglected to point out that I do, in fact, live in Milton, Florida and am, therefore, a Miltonian. I can assure you that if such a deceiver did exist in such a small town, I would be aware of him. That's not to say that Milton is totally free of used car salesmen, insurance agents, lawyers, and bingo parlor operators, but none of them are named Lucifer.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:25 PM

Ahh... but if it WAS Lucifer, he would use a nom de plume...mebbe somthin' like 'Krinkle'

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 06:32 PM

If you start with the assumption that what you are perceiving is reality, then isn't it, by definition, real?

"Reality": Real or Fake? is the way you should be putting it. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 09:20 PM

Well, as Plato pointed out, all "reality" is simply a reflection of the "real", mere shadows of the "real" we cannot comprehend reflected upon a philosophical wall. And as my philosophy teacher pointed out, lower your head and run full tilt at that reflection of a stone wall and test its reality.

That's why reality is fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Bert
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 09:23 PM

I'm going to take the blue pill next time!

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 09:28 PM

> Well, as Plato pointed out, all "reality" is simply a reflection of the "real", mere shadows of the "real."

Why should I believe this "Plato" anyway? Who gave him the news?

Speaking for myself, which means for all of so-called you, I'm just a brain kept alive in a vat in the thirty-ninth century, and all of "you" are mere hallucinations induced electronically by the Vatmasters.

Prove me wrong. Don't bother. You can't. Because I'm only talking to myself.

Yawn.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 10:16 PM

Universe ...???

Multiverse ...???

Infinite time ...???

Sub Atomic dimensions ...???

God and The Big Bang ...???

1976, 4.00 am on a cold dark rainy morning
in a motorway service station cafe just outside of Taunton..
A chance meeting..

A mysterious sinister wizened dirty scruffy old hippy spread his well worn intricate scrolls and charts out
on a tomato sauce and mustard stained table,
and for the offering of a mug of tea and a plate of chips,
over many hours until well after day break
he revealed all the secrets and mysteries of existence
to me and my hitch hiking companions....

and swore us all to a life time of secrecy.........

Sorry, I promised never to tell...

[even if I could remember a single word of it..???]




I grew up in the 1970's in rural South West England;

the enchanted magical land of Farmhouse Cider and Psilocybin mushrooms................

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 01:22 AM

Its not really real until you measure it, then it collapses from wave to particle reality.


my favourite so far: Life is bad enough - reality is ten times worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 08:48 AM

You are actually all in my dream and I will most likely soon wake up-prepare for it all to end.

Subject: RE: BS: Reality: Real or Fake?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 12 - 09:27 AM

God lard and butter! You actually met Bobert????