BS: Canucks... Trudeau?

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:26 PM

Thanks Charmion.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: meself
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 03:22 PM

Yup - he's got'm running scared ....

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 02:27 PM

First attack ad launched

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 08:06 AM

Guest was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:43 AM

poll analysis (for those who like 'em)

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:34 AM

Watch history at 11AM EDT.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 15 Apr 13 - 07:28 AM

An exquisite demonstration of logic Mr. Mc Lean.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 10:51 PM

bobad,
What's your problem with Mulr$ney?
Do you have the audacity to feel that Prime Ministers should not accept financial consideration from shady German AirBus promoters passing money stuffed envelopes in foreign hotel rooms. After all it's not like he was taking a bribe because that would be illegal and would bring shame to the Conservatives. If the Conservatives don't feel shame surely that proves that accepting those money stuffed envelopes is acceptable to the government of the day and therefore not illegal!

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:23 PM

Mulr$ney would be in jail if we had an equitable justice system in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:14 PM

Or, Mulr$ney

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 08:06 PM

Or Mulroney.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:51 PM

Though they are very different, of course Justin will be compared to his Prime Minister father. Who else would they compare him to? Outside the looks.

But, I suspect it is like comparing Ben Mulrooney to Brian Mulrooney .

Trudeau vs Trudeau

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:03 PM

Hitting the right note?

"And, although saying he is focused on addressing the environment and the economic problems of middle-class Canadians, he avoided laying out specific policy prescriptions. He said drawing up a Liberal platform requires widespread input from Canadians."

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:02 PM

And, the other fellers:


NDP takes 'socialism' out of constitution

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 07:00 PM

Your link she no work Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:59 PM

""Though light on policy, Trudeau offers key glimpses of next Liberal platform""



Glimpse

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:55 PM

Damning with faint praise:

"The Conservative Party of Canada was quick with its comment on the new Liberal leader.

In a statement, the Tories congratulated Trudeau on his win but immediately cast doubt on this ability to lead the country.

"Justin Trudeau may have a famous last name, but in a time of global economic uncertainty, he doesn't have the judgment or experience to be prime minister," the party said in a statement."

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:54 PM

Now. let's see if he can live up to what we (? *I*???) want him to live up to. And don't tell me he doesn't have to... he must... I expect and will accept nothing less. But, with 80%, I can't see that as tooo much of a problem.

Harper toast? Nah... he's crumbs on the breakfast table (Jethro Tull song).

I am HAPPY! But, we'll see.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:50 PM

It's official

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:47 PM

Watch the Conservative shit slinging begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:45 PM

8 Minutes ago... 80%!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM

I am on the edge but I figure it's gonna happen. We'll have the official word soon. Voting closed at 3PM EST today I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 14 Apr 13 - 06:38 PM

24,000 out of 30,000 votes cast - yikes, if that's a gauge of his popularity across Canada Harper is toast (we can only hope)

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: meself
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 11:52 PM

The thing that troubles me is the effect of the name 'Trudeau' here in the west - I'm not sure that people in central/eastern Canada grasp the depth of antipathy toward the memory of ol' Pierre here. And you can bet the Tories will be milking that ill-feeling for all it's worth. OTOH, Justin may have what it takes to rise above that and pull together the less right-wing elements across the country. It may be helpful if Marc Garneau is prominent at his right hand, to provide an image of the age, experience, achievement, and gravitas that Justin may be thought to lack.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 11:09 PM

I had a feelin right from the start it was gonna happen. Maybe it was that sense of "Pierre"? Is it a good thing? I sure hope so IF it happens. I just hope that if it does happen, he has at least half the balls his old man had on accounta that will be enough.

I still have my doubts that this youngster can do a good job on the world stage as PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:24 PM

Their conclusion should be "Um, yes, we do look like chopped liver." Then they should cut their losses and start looking for something useful to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:06 PM

It must be pretty deflating for the other contenders when the purported second in the running quits and says that the result is a foregone conclusion. they must be like "what are we, chopped liver?"

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:46 PM

Holy crap! He said it's a foregone conclusion so it's best just to get behind it? I would have never seen that coming!

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:19 AM

Marc Garneau Quits: Sources

CP | Posted: 03/13/2013 9:42 am EDT | Updated: 03/13/2013 10:07 am EDT

OTTAWA — Marc Garneau is ending his bid to lead the federal Liberal party because he's come to the conclusion he can't catch front-runner Justin Trudeau, a source close to the campaign says.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly about the campaign, said Garneau would make the formal announcement at a news conference this morning.

The source says Garneau — a former astronaut and the first Canadian in space — has decided Trudeau simply has too much momentum to be stopped before the voting begins early next month.

His decision leaves seven candidates in the running.

Sources tell The Huffington Post Canada the former astronaut will throw his support behind front-runner Justin Trudeau.

Garneau, an MP since 2008, kicked off his campaign last November, stressing the economy as his key issue.

The 64-year-old retired navy captain and former head of the Canadian Space Agency said the Liberals had to address economic issues if they hoped to remain relevant.

"At the core of my vision is a stronger economy — a vibrant, dynamic one where we are on the leading edge of discovery,'' he said in a policy statement.

Garneau shook up the staid leadership race in recent weeks with some pointed attacks on Trudeau.

He accused Trudeau of failing to offer solid policy proposals. He also warned that the party had gone for untested high-flyers in the past with disastrous results.

But his barbs had little measurable impact on Trudeau's campaign.

Voting for the Liberal leadership will be conducted online and by phone early next month, with the winner to be announced on April 14.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 07:11 PM

"last two liberal leaders" were sacrificial hams.

"street fighter" = "his old man's balls"

To me, if Justin can go all the way and IF he is a "street fighter" like his old man, we may gain back some ground. Tough fight that will involve every voter. I KNOW that sounds inane but wtf else can we hope for? MORE of toady Harper style government is frightening. It may be too late to put the FERA into foreign governments and investors but...

I think I'll stop there... it's obvious where I am going. To bed fairly soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 07:07 PM

And it can backfire, big time.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:35 PM

The question is, will the new one be a "street fighter"?

Here is a related PET interview, where he talks about negative political-personal attacks:PET

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 06:03 PM

Neither of the last two leaders of the Libs were street fighters.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 05:08 PM

""Ahhhh, but the Libs wrote the book on evading such when a new leader was chosen behind closed doors""

Regardless of how they were selected- I recall the last two liberal leaders faced a significant negative PR campaign and did not deal with it well or evade it at all.I suspect it contributed to their downfall.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 04:16 PM

"...because he has not been subject to a major negative PR campaign - yet that is..."

Ahhhh, but the Libs wrote the book on evading such when a new leader was chosen behind closed doors. Pierre was a man's man, true and honest. Jean was a politician and the "politics" of electing a Lib will shine. Will the electorate go along? We'll see. I just hope that if Justin does go all the way, he did inherit his old man's balls (likely) and he can wield the kind of backroom power his old man had (dubious perhaps but quite possible if Jean and others pull strings for him... we'll see).

Personally, I just have a gut feeling he actually could go all the way. I know that really does sound silly but it's possible. Perhaps more than most might think.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 03:34 PM

I suspect the poll results are because he has not been subject to a major negative PR campaign - yet that is. I speculate that one will evolve shortly after the leadership is determined (they could be already prepared and "in waiting"). Time will tell how well he deals with that type of situation, and just how many skeltons from his past will emerge - it would likely include any unpopular aspects of his late fathers career.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: bobad
Date: 08 Feb 13 - 02:44 PM

"If a federal election were held in Canada today and Justin Trudeau were at the helm of the Liberal Party, they'd win a strong majority in the House of Commons, says a Forum Poll for the National Post."

National Post

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 03:40 PM

Halifax? Well, Dartmouth, but I wouldn't expect The Big Smoke to know the difference.

Anyway, fuck Imperial. It only needs to go to Saint John... a CANUCK refinery.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 03:15 PM

Hating PC Party not criminal, judge rules 8

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 03:11 PM

'I think parliament's going to die': Ignatieff predicts end of Western democracies."




Is parliament becoming pointless?

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 03:08 PM

Why not a pipeline east?

Wagons East?

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 02:50 PM

I just hope that someday he'll be known as Stephen Harper The Last.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 06:01 AM

I think he wants to look Presidential, and what says "really, really important" louder than a bullet-proof car flown in for your motoring convenience?

The traditional next step is a see-thru dome on top of the car a la His Holiness John Paul II.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 08:06 PM

"Harper's personal security appears to have been tightened recently."

Good idea. 'Specially if he comes down home. I know he wouldn't be welcomed in my neighbourhood so awful much. And I live in town. See him travel in seafarin and lumberin an minin country down home?... better bring in a fookin tank.

I wonder. Do them there Indian fellers know he don't trust em fer his security? A bit of a slap in the face of our commonwealth brothers innit?

Of course, I gotta admit, if his security is in doubt here in New Brunswick... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 07:38 PM

The Hair flies 2 cars to India on the taxpayers tab. Surely a rickshaw would have sufficed!
Fools Folly

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 07:19 AM

:)

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 06:40 AM

Ed... I think I'll stick to my first post.

I plead "the Lobster".

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 09:26 PM

Given their general platform and their general attitude, I like the NDP by far the best of the 3 parties. I like the Liberals next after them. I don't like the Conservatives at all, though there was a time (the pre-Mulroney era) when I liked them fine. They weren't a bunch of neocons then.

I think the Liberals and NDP should form a coalition of some kind and get the Conservatives out of office...ASAP. Then get us out of the USA's wars.

The NDP's suggestion that national medical insurance should include dental and prescription drug coverage is brilliant...and long overdue. Dental expenses can be very large indeed, and many people with low incomes simply can't afford them.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:51 PM

Regardless of the NDP's clear support for international peace efforts, and internatioal military action through the United Nations (when needed), I don't see how anyone could tag a lack of investment in the Canadian military, since the 60's (when the NDP was formed) on that party. As to this position influencing many voters, I suspect it has at specific time periods, among some voter demographics, and in some locals. Let's not also forget that general public support for military spending (in regards to other government spending priorities) differs today from various points from the 60's to the 2000's.

Sorry gnu, your statement about "back in the day" is so vague to me that it is meaningless to the discussion. If you don't want to be more specific,, ok - your choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Canucks... Trudeau?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 08:28 AM

NDP

Principles and policies

The NDP evolved from a merger of the Canadian Labour Congress (CLC) and the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF). The CCF grew from populist, agrarian and socialist roots into a modern socialist party. Although the CCF was part of the Christian left and the Social Gospel movement,[12] the NDP is secular and pluralistic. It has broadened to include concerns of the New Left, and advocates issues such as gay rights, international peace, and environmental stewardship.

New Democrats today advocate, among other things:

        Gender equality and equal rights for LGBT citizens
        Improving environmental protection through government regulations
        National water safety standards
        Reducing poverty in Canada[13]
        Aggressive human rights protection
        Expanding funding for public transportation
        Expanding public health care, including dental and prescription drug coverage
        Social assistance policies that reflects citizens' needs and assist their re-entry to the work force
        Abolishing the unelected Senate of Canada and ensuring more proportional representation[14]
        Workers' rights including raising the minimum wage to pace the cost of living
        Aboriginal peoples' treaty, land, and constitutional rights
        A foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy, peacekeeping, and humanitarian aid instead of offensive military action
        Renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
        One wing is focused on ending the Canadian War on Drugs and legalizing recreational drugs[15]
        Lowering taxes for small businesses[16]

#######################################

Liberal Party

Principles and policies

The principles of the party are based on Liberalism as defined by various liberal theorists and include individual freedom for present and future generations, responsibility, human dignity, a just society, political freedom, religious freedom, national unity, equality of opportunity, cultural diversity, bilingualism, and multilateralism.[9][10] In the present times, the Liberal party has favoured a variety of policies from both right and left of the political spectrum. When it formed the government from 1993 to 2006, it was a strong champion of balanced budgets, and eliminated the budget deficit completely from the federal budget in 1995 by reducing spending on social programs or delegating them to the provinces, and promised to replace the Goods and Services Tax in the party's famous Red Book.[11] It also legalized same-sex marriage and the use of cannabis for medical purposes, and had proposed complete decriminalization of possession of small amounts of it.

[edit]Current policies

During the 2011 election the Liberal party's policies included:[12]

        Introduction of a family care plan for Canadians supporting ill family members
        Pension plan reform
        Additional investment in higher education via direct financial aid (learning passport)
        Spending restraint (less on consultants and advertising)
        Reduce deficit to 2 per cent of GDP by 2013 (currently at 5 per cent)
        Cancel corporate tax deduction and return rates to 18 per cent (currently at 16.5 per cent)
        Restoration of the long-form census
        Quadruple renewable energy production, including wind, solar and biomass energy sources
        Introduce a national food policy to support Canadian farmers


Both the above are clipped from Wikipedia. It's easy to notice many similarities between the two parties--and easy to see that both are fundamentally distant in ethos and philosophy from the Conservatives.


In answer to Charmion's cogent question, 'What to do?', I suggest we have a starting place.