BS: Death penalty for disobedient children

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 05:16 PM

Ask any bible scholar. The correct literal translation is "Thou shalt not do murder." That makes capital punishment and killing in combat, which are sanctioned by society, perfectly OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: gnu
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:35 PM

This nutbar is a scientist who believes the earth is 6000 years old and people support him? Throw on top of that the others? The dispair thread comes to mind.

Re the bible... I talked at length to a man who had almost became a Jesuit priest and he told me that it was written so that a priest could support or deny any action or circumstance. The example I recall immediately is "eye for an eye" vs "turn the other cheek". That is "control".

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 04:25 PM

He missed the 'thou shalt not kill' part I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 03:36 PM

Charlie isn't that wonderful - as in a "proper Charlie". I did get the correct pronunciation, but couldn't resist, applying the principle whereby Hyacinth Bucket becomes Bouquet.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 03:24 PM

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

King James Version (KJV)

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


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So.. it's in the Bible... gotta take it all literally! But...this is only relevant to naughty kids who live in gated communities?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 03:09 PM

These Christians, Don, keep trying to read that dreadfully written book - you know, the Bible - but can't seem to get but a few pages into it before confusion sets in... In other words, they never make it to the New Testament and the Jesus part...

Jesus would tell the entire bunch to "fuck off" if He were to come back today... Actually, if he did come back today they'd badger Him the same way they go after Obama...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:42 PM

It's pronounced foo-kwa, not the way you think.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:41 PM

Wesley, we know having lived in Georgia that there are so many fundamentalist
nut cases in the state and this statement doesn't surprise me at all.

I didn't see anything about death penalty for children in the Bible. I seems I read somewhere that Jesus loved the little children and didn't expect them to act like adults.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:40 PM

And these people call themselves "Christians."

There is more than sufficient reason for the weeping of Jesus. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:37 PM

Is Charlie Fuqua really his name?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:35 PM

Arkie, you do have some interesting elected officials.

Arkansas State Rep: 'If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn't Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?' (state Rep. Loy Mauch (R) in letters to the Democrat-Gazette, vehemently defended slavery and repeatedly suggested Jesus condoned it. His other letters call Abraham Lincoln a Marxist and celebrate the Confederate flag as "a symbol of Christian liberty vs. the new world order." The state GOP has finally pulled funds from him.)

Arkansas State Representative: Slavery Was A 'Blessing In Disguise' For 'The Blacks' (State Rep. Jon Hubbard (R-Jonesboro) in his 2010 book, "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative". Hubbard says, "...they've taken small portions of my book out of context, and distorted what was said to make it appear that I am racist, which is totally and completely false." I'd like to see any context that would put this in a better light!)

Republican Candidate [for state legislature] In Arkansas Says Parents Should Seek Death Penalty Against 'Rebellious Children' (Charlie Fuqua, candidate for the Arkansas legislature, in his 2012 book, "God's Law: The Only Political Solution". Fuqua is a former member of the Arkansas legislature and has received support from two sitting members of Congress. The state GOP, who supported him previously, has now cut him off. Fuqua's book previously came under scrutiny for advocating expelling all Muslims from the United States. )

All of these links go to "ThinkProgress.org", a blog from the Center for American Progress that I visit daily for my daily dose of lefty outrage. I do try to read it somewhat critically... I certainly try to put some emotional insulation on before reading.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 02:16 PM

I am beyond appalled that anyone would vote for ANY of these people...

Millions do. Welcome to the U.S. - best country on earth, you bet.

Also, welcome to the current Republican Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 01:40 PM

How do you spell "American Taliban"???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 01:26 PM

Something has certainly kept that guy from realising he needs a saviour, and soon.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:47 PM

> It teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in our society.

Don't some people say that about the Quran?

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:46 PM

Sorry about the link. It just had a little about all the folks named in one place. For those who are interested there is plenty of information available on the net. Gov. Beebe, who is concerned about the image of Arkansas, has commented and to his credit has not used the outrageous views of a few as an attack on republicans or all conservatives. I cannot help but wonder if the crazies happened to be democrats what the response may have been. Republicans in the state have begun to distance themselves a bit from Fuqua, Hubbard, and Mauch. Some have requested that contributions to their campaigns be donated to charity.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Musket
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:45 PM

mmm... Here in the first world, we really do get a bit scared of less advanced countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, United States of America, Nigeria, North Korea etc, letting dogma rather than pragmatic facts dictate how their country is run.

What is really scary is that some of these countries have military equipment that can reach beyond their borders. Now that's scary if an uneducated electorate allow people with mental health problems run for office.

Joking apart, I thought you had a secular constitution? I once read that only The UK and Iran officially had religion as part of their statutory framework, and whilst I can't speak for Iran, we largely ignore the idiots and get on with pragmatic government, even the bad bits.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:35 PM

Here's another one. And this guy is from my home state of Georgia:

Here's a video

Do I need to add that this guy is on the Congressional Committee on Science Space and Technology? Astounding.





12:01 PM ET
Congressman draws fire for calling evolution, Big Bang 'lies from the pit of hell'
By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – A U.S. congressman is attracting attention and criticism for an online video that shows him blasting evolution and the Big Bang theory as "lies from the pit of hell" in a recent speech at a church event in his home state of Georgia.

"All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell," U.S Rep. Paul Broun said in an address last month at a banquet organized by Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Georgia. "And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior."

Broun, a medical doctor by training, serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Speaking at Liberty Baptist Church's Sportsman's Banquet on September 27, he said that "a lot of scientific data that I've found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth."

"I don't believe that the Earth's but about 9,000 years old," Broun said in the speech, which Liberty Baptist Church posted on its website via YouTube. "I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That's what the Bible says."

Scientists say that the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and that the universe dates back 13.7 billion years.

In his speech to the church group, Broun called the Bible the "the manufacturer's handbook. … It teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in our society."

"That's the reason, as your congressman, I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I'll continue to do that," he said.

Broun's office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Wednesday.

The congressman's remarks about science have drawn attention online, with critics taking aim at his role on the science committee.

Bill Nye, the popular science personality, told the Huffington Post in an e-mail that "Since the economic future of the United States depends on our tradition of technological innovation, Representative Broun's views are not in the national interest."

"For example, the Earth is simply not 9,000 years old," said Nye, a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program "Bill Nye the Science Guy." Broun "is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology."

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:20 PM

That link doesn't seem to work, but a search on the names gets several articles.

I am beyond appalled that anyone would vote for ANY of these people... but even more appalled that supposedly reasoning humans could develop such ideas at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 12:19 PM

Now, there's a REAL "Christian"[sic] for ya.

Hey, these nutcases are positively pandered to by the Republican Party (or what's left of it)so what should one expect but exactly this sort of thing.

If the TeaPubs had ANY conscience or moral compass whatsoever, they'd distance themselves from these lunatics & condemn them.


Q.E.D.

(Abe a Nazi? I always thought he was ahead of his time.....)

Subject: BS: Death penalty for disobedient children
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Oct 12 - 11:18 AM

While I can personally testify to the presence of some wonderful, thoughtful, intelligent people in Arkansas and can honestly include conservatives and republicans, we have our bigots and fools just as does Mudcat.

The morning paper mentions Charlie Fuqua of Batesville (lock the doors, Batesville is only 35 miles to the east)who is a candidate for the state legislature (I don't think I need to mention which party)who in a recent book "God's Law" suggests that the law stated in Deut 21:18-21 be instituted. He does not think it would have to be used often, and one must follow strict rules but it would allow the stoning of disobedient children. This charitable pro-life candidate also suggests that prisoners who cannot be rehabilitated in two years be executed and all Muslims be deported.

More details for the curious can be found in the following link. But first a word about Loy Mauch, sitting Representative from Bismarck. Brother Loy has the endorsement of the Arkansas Right to Life Political Action Committee and has repeatedly defended the institution of slavery and has referred to Abraham Lincoln as a terrorist, Nazi, and Marxist and in one dramatic quote a "fake neurotic Northern war criminal". His comments appeared in a series of letters to the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. This link has a bit about Mauch, Fuqua, and Hubbard.

Arkansas Times