BS: The GOP will steal the election [2012]

Subject: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 06:22 PM

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/10/14-4

Mitt's cronies own the voting machines. Guess who will do the counting?

Bain is involved. The GOP will steal Ohio. Husted and Kasich will make sure.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 07:58 PM

Yeah, there is more than a little evidendce that John Kerry won in 2004 but, hey, the Republicans have been into election rigging for some time now and are the experts...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 08:16 PM

NO!! Quit giving that kind of negative bs energy! If we lend our will, our thoughts and our actions, to the positive, we do a great service for all. If we promote fear-mongering, we stoop to their level.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 08:41 PM

I'm with kat on this.

I'm damned tired of people telling me that "the fix is in," "the whole thing has been bought," "there's nothing anyone can do," and the whole "You can't fight City Hall" thing, which is a rumor promulgated by City Hall, hoping that you won't even try.

No, I'm voting for Obama and the whole slate of candidates I've already decided on. Then, if the Ratfinks get in, well, at least I've done MY bit!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: gnu
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 08:46 PM

kat... agreed. Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,mark-s(0n the road)
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:16 PM

Good Lord - fumble fingers tonight

Anyway - Hey - It ain't over! President Obama has a good chance to take Ohio. Voting machine conspiracies will not seem so big a problem then!
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 10:36 PM

Koch brothers to workers: Vote for Romney or 'suffer the consequences'

In an email obtained exclusively by Up w/ Chris Hayes, the CEO of Florida-based software firm ASG asks his over 1,000 employees to vote for Mitt Romney for president, and suggests their jobs may be at stake if Romney doesn't win.

By Martha C. White

As a contentious election season enters its final weeks, a flurry of communication from corporate leaders to rank-and-file workers strongly implies that voting for Obama could imperil their jobs and their financial stability.

Employees of a paper company owned by the outspoken billionaire Koch brothers received a mailing warning that they could "suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation, and other ills" if they voted for candidates not supported by Koch-owned companies or its political fund-raising arm.

The company also provided workers with a list of those candidates it supports. At the top: Mitt Romney, according to media outlet In These Times, which broke the story. "The packet also included an anti-Obama editorial by Charles Koch and a pro-Romney editorial by David Koch," it said.

"This is in no way an attempt to 'intimidate' employees," Greg Guest, senior director of corporate communications at Georgia-Pacific, said in a statement on the site kochfacts.com.

"It's free speech. On the other hand, while it's maybe not directly intended to be intimidating, it can be intimidating," said Izzy Kushner, president of consulting firm HR Impact and president of the Human Resources Association of New York.

Although the Koch brothers are known for their outspoken support of the GOP, "Our support is not based on party affiliation, and we support both Republicans and Democrats who support market-based policies and solutions," Guest's statement said.

"In the flyer sent to Oregon employees, all 14 Koch-backed state candidates were Republicans," In These Times reported. A request for examples of Democratic candidates included on the list of Koch-supported candidates was not answered by press time.

In recent days, other reports have surfaced of company heads telling workers to vote for Romney in the upcoming election, ...

....

[More at the link]

So who's surprised?

John

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 11:13 PM

Those evil fuckers!

Hear, hear, Don!

Thanks, gnu!

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 12:24 AM

Hmm. Steal an election? Sure wouldn't be the first time, would it?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 08:50 AM

As pointed out by Kat and others, the premise of this thread, like so many of its ilk, is drivel.

The orginator of the thread could not help Romney more if he were paid directly by him for services rendered.

The stupid defeatist attitude of those who endorse the premise of the thread is exactly what Romney and the GOP want.

Hope I'm not too subtle.

Who won in 2008?

This election, like so many, is all about turnout. Huge numbers of young people and minorities voted in 2008.    If, perhaps influenced by asinine threads like this, some think it's not worth voting since the GOP will steal the election anyway, and stay home as a result, Obama will definitely lose.

But if similar numbers to 2008 of young people, minorities-- and other people who recognize the long-term (or even short-term ) threat Romney poses to the social safety network, especially Medicare and Social Security-- do support Obama again, Romney will have no chance.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 09:08 AM

Ditto that Mr Davies. Obama's going to win, but folks have gotta stay positive.

I wrote to President Obama to say I hope he kicks ass in the debate, but that means he's got to get in ass-kicking mode. (No it wasn't in those words.) I doubt he'll ever get to it, but that kind of attitude circulates. We have been letting the Republicans get us down. In little words, screw them! They do not own democracy, try as they have. Not yet anyway. Not unless people give in or give up.

With you on that all the way, Kat.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 12:29 PM

They will certainly *try*.
In my area, we are seeing a backlash against the voter suppression crap they tried to shove through...the very ones they tried to disenfranchise are now energized to vote for sure!

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 12:39 PM

Frankly the electoral system in this country, or should I say the lack one, is a violation of every citizens' civil rights.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: kendall
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 01:13 PM

Our own secretary of state is running for the senate. He gets to oversee the ballot counting. And that aint just negative energy.History has proven them to be snakes.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 02:49 PM

The evidence is already in. This is not a conspiracy theory but a fact. Stalin said, "it matters not who votes but who counts the votes.

The GOP pulled their crap in Florida defeating Al Gore and the conservative Supreme Court elected George W. Bush. The reason you who are reacting negatively to this idea is that you are in denial and fearful that this might be right. If you want to whitewash this,
that's your prerogative.

The polls conducted by Miami Herald and the N.Y. Times showed that Kerry was ahead
and that Blackwell, governor of Ohio, made sure that the election was fixed because of
his influence with Wally O'Dell who ran the Diebold e-voting machine.

I suggest that you nay-sayers take a look at Bev Harris and what she has been trying to expose for the last few years.   Also read the article by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman.

Remember what the governor of Pennsylvania has announced about restricting voters at the poll. "Romney, done!"

This doesn't mean that you should not vote, however. The vote is extremely important as
an American moral choice. Just don't count on the GOP not pulling their usual shit.
Watch the exit polls and then who the election is called for.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 02:59 PM

The GOP will steal the election if it is close enough to steal. When the polls put Ohio with Obama only 5 points ahead I put that in my Romney leaning category, a tie is a safe Romney margin. In Florida, NC, and other states which have simple voter suppression and GOP state government, the President is tied if he is three ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 04:14 PM

Yeah, like they stole the Washington gubernatorial election a cycle or two ago. Oh wait! It was the other side which stole that election. Give a rest guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 05:44 PM

No people need to know about this and not accept it passively as if there wasn't anything that could be done about it. Remember that the polls are conducted in a way that radically fluctuates and are only reliable one day at a time.

What is needed is paper ballots which are harder to manipulate.

We don't know the real poll numbers because the corporate owned media quotes them as if it supports their horse race, which brings them the advertising dollars.

Hart intercivic on which votes are cast through the e-voting machines in Hamilton county, Ohio, have a close tie in Cincinnati taken over by H.I.G. Capital with close ties to Bain Capital. H.I.G. has given a large amount of money to the Romney Campaign.

Remember that there is no transparency offered to the corporations who count the votes
or the custody of the voting machines which can be easily flipped.

This is a crucial aspect of elections that undermine democracy.

Those that refuse to look at this are not protecting their vote.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 05:48 PM

Don't trust the main stream media to give you an accurate account as to which candidate is ahead.

The MSM have newscasters who make a lot of money and are part of the 1% or close to it.

The only way to be informed is to seek out alternative media sources and get to know the people who really know what's going on.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 07:30 PM

"What is needed is paper ballots..."

Yes, yes, and yes.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 11:20 PM

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334921

The best article I have yet seen to do with how much people understand.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:03 AM

"governor of Pennsylvania...."

Then there's the little matter of the PA Supreme Court saying that the picture ID requirement cannot in fact be used for this election--they will revisit that issue afterwards.

But that doesn't fit with the whining about the stealing of the election--before the fact. So sorry.

As I said earlier, this thread is worse than useless.    Anybody--a young person, for instance, who feels that the change he or she hoped for has not happened may already be not fired up to vote.    Threads like this encourage that person to think "it's not worth it anyway--no point to my voting."

Again, Mitt Romney thanks those who support the premise of the thread.

But I have a question:    if you do in fact support the president, when will you start thinking--and therefore not starting worse than pointless threads like this one?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 07:56 AM

"As I said earlier, this thread is worse than useless.    Anybody--a young person, for instance, who feels that the change he or she hoped for has not happened may already be not fired up to vote.    Threads like this encourage that person to think "it's not worth it anyway--no point to my voting.""

Not only is this statement untrue, it ignores the central issue, the vote counting is not transparent to the public and is owned by private corporations.

The pointless aspect of this thread is the denial of those supporters who don't want to face the issue. It doesn't matter who supports the president if he will have the election stolen from him and don't think that it can't happen as Bush V. Gore and Bush V. Kerry have shown us.

The attitude that this issue is swept under the rug is what is really useless. If Americans won't defend their vote, then what's the point of democracy?

It's not just the ID restrictions that are a problem, it's the chain of custody of the e-voting machines that are a problem.

As long as Americans choose to be ignorant about this issue, you can count on the continued corruption in election fraud. Hey, democrats, don't say I didn't warn you.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:04 AM

Just think. If you were a conservative, you would be a winner instead of a whiny loser.

You could be happy instead of a crybaby.

You could be satisfied instead of being unhappy because someone has something you don't have.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:32 AM

That is really funny considering the "whaaa" post of yours that just got deleted on another thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 09:55 AM

Sawzall- you could also be a self-enamored, loudmouthed, ignorant, greedy prick and be happy that you've got everything most everyone doesn't have.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 10:32 AM

"Just think. If you were a conservative, you would be a winner instead of a whiny loser.
You could be happy instead of a crybaby.
You could be satisfied instead of being unhappy because someone has something you don't have. "

How a can anyone write this without irony? I guess it is only childish whining when other people do it?

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:15 AM

The GOP are gonna steal second place.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:14 PM

They stole North Carolina legislature in 2010. I guess bought it would be more accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:54 PM

This should be a non or bi partisan issue. It's not a matter of which party affiliation you have but protecting the vote against discriminate voter ID laws throwing voters off the roles or the manipulation of e-voting machines which can be easily re-calibrated by those in dominant political power to defraud the public, and the buying of elections by corporate lobbies.

Putting heads in sands doesn't make this issue go away.

it can be done by Republicans or Democrats and it needs to be stopped.

Answer: throw out the flipping voter machines and reinstitute paper ballots which are harder to manipulate or use to cheat. Curtail the corporate lobbies and get rid of the statutory voter ID laws, a modern version of the poll tax.

This is not a negative view of the voting process but an attempt to save it from corruption.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:55 PM

Guest 999, watch the exit polls and compare them to the erstwhile winner.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 12:56 PM

"This is not a negative view of the voting process but an attempt to save it from corruption."

It's pretty much like talking morals in a whore house, Frank.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 01:20 PM

Then democracy has been prostituted by unscrupulous politicians and I take a more
proactive view that with education on this issue, something can be done about it.

Putting the head in the sand (denying that it exists) will not fix the problem.

Fortunately there are those such as Bev Harris, Amy Goodman, Thom Hartmann, Greg Palast, Fitrakis and Wasserman who are willing to tackle the problem and not become defeatist.

Hey America, you want to be ruled by corrupt politicians who steal elections and sit there and take it?

I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:18 PM

So the Libs admit defeat.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 12 - 11:22 PM

Liberalism, by its nature, cleaves to the inherent biases of reality; as such it can be fended off, but it cannot be defeated.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 08:23 AM

There is no defeat when truth exposes the iniquity of the electoral process. I conclude that not all the e-voting machines will be corrupted but the nature of the technology makes it very easy for technicians to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: bobad
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 09:32 PM

GOP contractor arrested for destruction of voter registration applications

The Rockingham County Sheriff's Office in Virginia announced Thursday that it had arrested the man who allegedly tossed completed voter registration forms in a dumpster.

Police on Thursday arrested 31-year-old Colin Small, who was a voter registration supervisor employed by Pinpoint, an independent firm contracted by the Republican Party of Virginia.

Smith has been charged with four counts of destruction of voter registration applications, eight counts of disclosure of voter registration application, and one count of obstruction of justice.

"There is no indication that this activity was widespread in our jurisdiction; it appears to be very limited in nature but there is the possibility that additional charges may be filed in the future if it is deemed appropriate," the sheriff's office said in a statement. "There are no other details that we can release at this time, as this is still an active and ongoing criminal investigation."

Earlier this week, a man working at a Tuesday Morning store saw someone toss something in the dumpster behind his work and speed off in a car. When he investigated what had been thrown out, he discovered several voter registration forms, which were filled out.

"Those eight or nine people may not know what happened, and imagine how they're going to feel the day on election day, they go into vote and their name isn't on the list. I'd be a little bit ticked off," said Rob Johnson, who found the forms and contacted police.

The forms were delivered to the Rockingham County registrar just hours before the registration deadline.

Raw Story (http://s.tt/1qrZV)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: GUEST,Miriam
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 06:19 PM

Of course they will, if they can: Their entire philosophy is "if we can't win, cheat." They stole both Bush elections, the first with the aid of the Supreme Court, which stopped the recount and just handed the whole thing over to W. Our philosophy is "the greatest good for the greatest number of people." They don't want democracy, they want oligarchy (government by the few) and/or plutocracy (government by the rich). The democratic philosophy is "the greatest good for the greatest number of people." Remember Ted Sorensen, speech writer for JFK, who said "Ask not what your country can do for you"...

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 06:34 PM

Miriam is certainly right about the Repuglicans.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 07:09 PM

I think Miriam is right about both USA parties. However, it was necessary for the Republicans to cheat in 2000 and 2004 to win those elections...so they did, and they got away with it. The Democratic Party has often cheated in elections too, I think. There's historical evidence that they have. It's likely, for example, that there was cheating by the Democratic machine in Chicago in 1960 which helped John Kennedy win that election.

As Miriam said, "They don't want democracy, they want oligarchy (government by the few) and/or plutocracy (government by the rich)."

And that's what really exists in the USA. Government by the rich. It also exists in most other places, by the way, but not quite so blatantly in most cases.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 07:55 PM

Bull, LH...

That is delusional not based on recent (last 50 or so years) American history... One and probably two stolen presidential elections have been stolen by the Republicans in the last 12 years... The last stolen election in American history goes back to 1876 with the Hayes/Tilden election when the winner was declared the loser in a deal to end Reconstruction and Union occupation of the South...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Genie
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:17 AM

The ONE sure way to counteract the voter suppression, voter intimidation, and electronic vote flipping is to TURN OUT IN HUGE NUMBERS to vote.   If the actual preferences of those who vote (or try to vote) are nearly evenly split (within a couple percentage points) it's pretty easy for an election to be stolen by selectively preventing people from voting in certain districts and/or by tampering with the voting machines.    But it's much harder to do that if one candidate (or issue) is actually winning by a large margin.

So do not be discouraged.   Get mad! Get energized! And get out there and VOTE!

I'll also say to the Democrats who, on election night, SEEM to have lost by a fairly slim margin: DO NOT CONCEDE until ALL the votes have been counted, including absentee ballots and provisional ballots.    (Hear that, John Kerry?)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:26 AM

The Democranks will lose due to incompetence.
Prez al-Obama is resorting to puerile childish insults.
(:-( P)=

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:19 AM

Not as puerile or childish as ninety percent of YOUR BS!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:31 AM

Damn! I agree with Don again. I even saw something by Mither the other day that I agreed with.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 11:56 AM

"DO NOT CONCEDE until ALL the votes have been counted"...

A concession is merely an expression of opinion by a candidate that it looks as if he or she has lost, and is as subject to error as a claim in advance that he or she is going to win. Presumably the counting must still goes on, and that's what determines the outcome of the election. (Setting aside the matter of disputing hanging chads and so forth, where a concession might be liable to stop the challenges.)

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 01:11 PM

Not in this country McGrath, especially if the Secretary of State in the close states are in the other party. It shocked and dismayed me when I first discovered this in 2000. Many partisan Americans seem to think it is OK to turn counting the votes into a legal contest.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 01:22 PM

The law is our last recourse to see that one Party doesn't cheat and if there is cheating going on, the court cases must ensue without a concession.

I agree with Genie that perhaps great numbers of people can overcome the vote flipping but this is unlikely in this election.

It's Romney who is the bully at the debates resorting to nonsensical attacks on Obama. So far, Obama has kept his cool and has a presidential demeanor.

The Repugs are better at cheating and bullying, reflected in the Congress, Tea Party, and other fascistic groups.

I doubt whether this election will result in anything except fierce ideological battles and partisanship. It may in fact split the country in half causing reactive expressions of dissatisfaction.

If Romney gets in, there will be blowback like you've never seen.

Ayn Rand will finally be discredited by huge numbers as she deserves to be.

And then there's "Turdblossom".

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 03:50 PM

Ayn Rand's philosophies are likely to get a good try.

Subject: RE: BS: The GOP will steal the election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 06:46 AM

Jack, not if some of us can stop it. Rand is a plague of sociopathy that will ruin our country.

Here's another article that shows you how much the GOP intends to cheat.


http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19137

Our democracy is in peril. It may have been for some time but people have to wake up.