BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)

Subject: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: mg
Date: 04 Nov 12 - 04:40 PM

RIP

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 11:43 AM

Then again Nov 2d is the day they took over the Teheran embassy and kind of started off the islamonazi terrorism thing... which should also be remembered.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 12:07 PM

"they" were responding to a previous event that happened in 1953, Mrrzy.

As below:

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran, and its head of government Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).[4][5] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[6]

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), now known as BP.[7] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s, a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a vestige of British imperialism.[8] Despite Mosaddegh's popular support, Britain was unwilling to negotiate its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically.[9] Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott[10] while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government.[11] With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup.[12] Classified documents show British intelligence officials played a pivotal role in initiating and planning the coup, and that Washington and London shared an interest in maintaining control over Iranian oil.[13]


I don't call people who fight against a foreign-sponsored coup to take over their country, overthrow their elected government, establish a dictatorship there, and steal their oil...as "Nazis". I refer to the foreign powers (USA and UK) who staged the coup as "Nazis" if anyone is, and the Shah was their local Iranian stooge to help them do it.

The entire history of bitter hostilities between Muslims and the West since the end of WWII (and even before WWII) has resulted from the West's hunger to control Middle Eastern oil. It is perfectly natural that an indigenous Muslim population should resist the takeover of their land and the theft of their natural resources by foreign powers and foreign intelligence agencies. It is perfectly natural that they should resist the imposition of foreign-backed dictators such as the Shah. The Iranian revolutionary actions in 1979 were the actions of Iranian patriots, not "Nazis". They were demonized in our media for only one reason: their actions defied the West and put the oil back in the control of the Iranian nation rather than in the control of foreign (British and American) oil companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 05 Nov 12 - 04:08 PM

LH,

As long as you remember that there were more Iranians killed by their own government in the first year after the revolution than during the entire reign of the Shah.

And the Shah never had women and children march in front of his armies to find the land-mines ( the hard way), as the mullahs did in the war with Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: gnu
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 04:11 PM

I am taken aback. I should say nothing but that would be a slap in the face of those this day is about.

Lest we forget?

How dare you forget... and ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 05:55 PM

You bet, Beardie- the good old compassionate humanitarian Shah.

Gimmie a freakin' break, will ya?

And what the hell has this got to do with Armistace Day, anyway????

Get a life, or at least get a brain.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 06:00 PM

And this is outside major wars and minor battles:

Secondary Wars and Atrocities of the Twentieth Century

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Nov 12 - 06:04 PM

Main page

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: ollaimh
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:15 AM

iran was evolving into a secular social democratic state and the americans and british stopped it and destroyed civil society in iran with their torture regime. everything after is the direct result of the coup against mozadegh and the over tunring of the democratically elected governemtn. without the shah there would have been no mullahs.americans really should stop military interference in other people's countries. it has always backfired in the long run and rarely even gets genuine short term results.the only people who benifit are the military industrial complex. unfortunately they have run america for decades, and are the reason for it's decline.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 01:21 AM

They should stop listening to their CIA.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 03:07 AM

I can't let Armistice Day go by without playing this one at some point on radio.

Australian Light Horse in the Middle East were not allowed to bring their horses back to Oz (apart from one belonging to a general). In other countries, they gave the horses to farmers etc but it was reckoned the Arabs were pretty cruel to their mounts so they were to be put down.
Each man undertook to shoot his best friend's horse so no-one had to shoot their own!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hniMrGeF4us&feature=related

It was not just people who made the supreme sacrifice.

Subject: RE: BS: Armistice Day (unmoderated)
From: GUEST,Eddie1 continuing sans cookie
Date: 07 Nov 12 - 03:53 AM

Sorry - above was me.

Eddie