BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan

Subject: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 10:04 AM

"More than 31,000 Americans have signed a petition calling for British TV host Piers Morgan to be deported.

They are angry about his advocacy of gun control, in the wake of the 14 December shootings in Connecticut."

PLEASE PLEASE! DON'T

We were overjoyed to get rid of him in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 10:24 AM

Hah hah! He's one obnoxious, pompous, slimy little twat for sure.. Ugh!

Still, I reckon someone over there in the US needs to start a "Don't Deport Piers Morgan!" petition, and see if they can beat the other one :)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 10:42 AM

He's certainly a 'mixed blessing'....even when I agree with him....

Tell you what... we'll keep him and send you Chris Matthews

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 10:56 AM

I rather like the man- I don't have to love him or live with him. I like the questions he asks; maybe because he is a Brit, he doesn't mind treading on American toes.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 10:56 AM

I'd love to see them take him to court and try to have him deported, so I could see the expressions on their faces when he invokes the First Amendment and their case is tossed out.

He could also counter sue for false arrest and imprisonment and claim his costs back.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:01 AM

Law suit like that could take ten years.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: number 6
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:14 AM

What concerns me is that 31k Americans have made an effort to sign that petition ... these people are anti gun control ... they speak loud ... where are the people that advocate gun control.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:15 AM

We've had him once and don't want him back, thank you. Why don't the USA start a penal colony somewhere (Antartica?)and send him there; and the Dirty Digger as well. And Sarah Palin....

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:20 AM

We have a penal colony we don't use any more. Funny place called Australia. I'm sure her Maj would be happy to license it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:22 AM

PS - this is a joke isn't it? Not even in the USA could you find 31,000 people stupid enough to believe it is possible to deport someone for lawful speech, could you?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:23 AM

Piers Morgan intercepeted cell phone messages as part of Rupert Murdoch's tabloid empire.

That is considered a serious crime in the US and should be grounds for deportation.

Actually, I believe that his permission to work here can be revoked. He would be expected to leave. No formal deportation is required.

Perhaps he can take Andrew Sullivan with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 11:23 AM

Its not very penal when everybody is clamoring to get in.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: alex s
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 12:13 PM

Please keep him. Anywhere you like.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 12:14 PM

I dunno' Bill.....that's too cruel although I think Chris has an interview style that is similar to Parliament. To our Brit friends, let me explain.......

Chris Mathews is a political commentator and interviewer on MSNBC. As a personality I would describe him as frantic ADHD. He asks a question and as the guest(s) begin their answers he adds in more personal opinion or modifications to the question and as the guest begins to answer again Chris bursts in again with more of the same. This may happen as many as 5 or 6 times! You know he's probably finished when he says to the guest, "Your thoughts?"   

The guest who has been trying desperately to inject a thought is left stupefied. Many have no idea what they're supposed to answer or what Chris has been rambling on about. Some ask for the name of the truck that just ran over them. Sometimes the segment ends before any question is ever answered at all because Chris has no idea when to shut up. It can be a bit frantic and one day I'm sure Chris will blow a headpipe but I find myself somehow enjoying it.

What makes Chris happen though is passion for what he believes and what he does and sometimes when he's on a roll he likes a bulldog that simply won't give up or give in. On an episode of Morning Joe" he was not to be denied as he took on Reince Priebus, Republican Party Chairman.......A few minutes of Chris


What say ye British Brethren?   Try some Chris Mathews? Or maybe not......I think we'll keep him.



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 12:37 PM

Yes, if anyone wants Chris Mathews to be included in any deal then by all means... Chris is rude...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 12:44 PM

How do we start a petition stating that we do not want him back in UK

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: gnu
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 01:50 PM

Spaw... I once had a boss who would use that technique to bully his employees. First time he tried it on me I said, "I'll finish answering your first question before I answer your second question." He was stunned for a few seconds and then became visibly upset. I assume his anger was partially due to the fact that there were four managers in the office and I, the newest of all peons wasn't kissing his ass or being cowed. That is, I believe he was embarssed. Each time of four times he interrupted me, I did the same thing.

It amazes me that TV show guests don't do the same thing.

I like Morgan's "style" because he is logical, polite, speaks his mind and doesn't give a **** what anyone thinks about it. I get the feeling that some of the questions he asks in interviews he would never ask in a private conversation. Also, I'll bet it's possible that even HE doesn't like some of the questions but feels it's his responsibily to ask the "tough" questions. Having said that, I have switched channels after a few choice words such as those in posts above entered my mind. And, I did have a great laugh when I read the OP so there has to be SOMETHING there, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 01:54 PM

The Ugly Politics of Piers Morgan

Peter Wehner | @Peter_Wehner 12.20.2012 - 9:55 AM

On Tuesday night, CNN's Piers Morgan interviewed Larry Pratt, the executive director of Gun Owners of America. Anyone who has watched Morgan knows he has an obsessive dislike for America's gun culture. He's a fierce advocate for gun control, so it didn't take a genius to predict the interview would be confrontational. But it turned out to be much more, and much uglier, than that.

Mr. Morgan was furious, insulting, and childish during the interview. He called Pratt "an unbelievably stupid man," "dangerous," accused Pratt of being a liar, said, "You shame your country," and for good measure added, "You don't give a damn, do you, about the gun murder rate in America."

On Morgan v. Pratt, I have three observations to make. The first is that you would think that if Mr. Pratt was as stupid as Morgan said, Morgan could easily best him in a debate. But he didn't. And I say that as someone who has disagreements with Pratt on gun control.

Second, Morgan embodies an attitude that we're seeing more and more on the left. It's a nasty combination of supreme self-righteousness and reflexive demonization. Piers Morgan can't accept that people of good will and decency might hold views that are very different than he does on gun control. And so it's not enough to say Pratt is wrong; he has to be portrayed by Morgan as moronic and a moral monster. This act is lovely coming from those who from time to time, and when it's convenient, lecture the rest of us on the importance of civility in public discourse.

Point three is that Morgan and his CNN colleagues Don Lemon and Soledad O'Brien have become vocal and emotional (but not particularly well-informed) advocates for gun control since the Newtown massacre. There is not the slightest pretense of objectivity. They and their network have a story to tell, a cause to advance, an ideology to champion. And they will use their posts as journalists, including (in the case of Lemon and O'Brien) as anchors, to make their case.

Now the liberalism of these three individuals–and CNN more broadly–is hardly a state secret. Their bias is evident to anyone who watches them. That's true of someone like Anderson Cooper, whose show I generally like. But since the killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School, CNN's cast of characters (Cooper excluded) has begun to resemble the prime-time line-up at MSNBC. And for all of MSNBC's problems–and they are very nearly endless–at least there is no play acting. They are left and they are proud of it. Which is better in some respects than CNN, which is liberal but pretends not to be.

Piers Morgan made a fool of himself and embarrassed his network on Tuesday night. And while I don't share Larry Pratt's views on guns, he did the country a bit of a service in revealing the ugly politics of Piers Morgan.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,theleveller
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:22 PM

Not a great fan but, in this instance, well done to him. He certainly gave that fascist twat a kick up the arse. What total hypocrites Americans can be - freedom of speech unless we don't agree with what you say. Arseholes!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: gnu
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:43 PM

Oh dear. I did not see that interview. In light of the above, maybe he should be deportrd for being impolite.

Having said that (sorry) I am unaware of the context and Morgan may have been justified, so I'll have to see the interview before passing opinion or gas.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:47 PM

There are two sides to the gun control issue? Like the two sides to global warming debate? And evolutions debate?

Only in America.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:52 PM

Maybe he should be deported for being "impolite"

I don't even...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 02:58 PM

Free speech is OK, if you've got permission, or are one of the chosen few.
I'm reminded of the last lines of the Magna Charta monologue, which seem to apply across the pond too.

"It's due to that there Magna Charta,
As was signed by them barons of old
That in England today, we can do what we like,
As long as we do what we're told!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:00 PM

Leveson report on Morgan and hacking: -

"There was not evidence to establish that Morgan authorized phone hacking, or that the Mirror engaged in the practice".

So Morgan's crime is to be rude to a man who defends murder weapons?

Amazeballs.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:07 PM

In my opinion Pratt was more rude and he acted rudely first.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:09 PM

re: Chris Mathews.. I thought I had learned to ride my way thru his programs, paying attention to some interesting parts and just shaking my head sadly when he went off as Spaw describes......but last week, he tripped me up with an especially tedious bit of interruption, and quiet, mild, little old me found myself yelling "SHUT UP!" at the TV set.

He didn't....

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Brian May
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:19 PM

For once I agree with Piers Morgan (wow . . .)

Since it takes years to get somebody accused of terrorism, any deportation is likely to go through in days . . . how dare he criticise the gun lobby!

That level of paranoia, I find VERY disturbing. I carried a concealed Browning during the Gulf War and it only made me feel very aware, not powerful.

Who would want to do that where they live? If they NEED that or perceive that they do, then they're living in the wrong place.

As for automatic rifles, I won't even go there . . . that's a sick society.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:52 PM

Piers Morgan is a tabloid scumbag, not a serious journalist as promoted by CNN.

His criminal activity in cellphone interception is serious and does not have to be proven in court to trigger revocation of his INS status.


"Morgan is alleged to have close ties with the Rupert Murdoch family and defended them in the media against suggestions that they were more involved in the News International phone hacking scandal than they claimed.

During Morgan's tenure as editor, the Daily Mirror was advised by Steven Nott that voicemail interception was possible by means of a standard PIN code. Despite staff initially expressing enthusiasm for the story it did not appear in the paper, although it did subsequently feature in a South Wales Argus article and on BBC Radio 5 Live in October 1999. On 18 July 2011 Nott was visited by officers of Operation Weeting. The Daily Mirror's publishers Trinity Mirror declined to comment when approached by The Independent for its article of 6 August 2011.

On 13 July 2011 the political blogger Paul Staines alleged that Morgan published a story while knowing it to have been obtained by phone hacking while editor of the Daily Mirror in 2002.

Morgan described in a 2006 article he wrote for the Daily Mail how he had heard tapes of messages that Paul McCartney had left for his wife, Heather Mills, on her mobile phone. Morgan wrote that 'Stories soon emerged that the marriage was in trouble - at one stage I was played a tape of a message Paul had left for Heather on her mobile phone. It was heartbreaking. The couple had clearly had a tiff, Heather had fled to India, and Paul was pleading with her to come back. He sounded lonely, miserable and desperate, and even sang 'We Can Work It Out' into the answerphone.' "

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Raedwulf
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 03:56 PM

X embodies an attitude that we're seeing more and more on the "other side". It's a nasty combination of supreme self-righteousness and reflexive demonization. X can't accept that people of good will and decency might hold views that are very different than they do.... And so it's not enough to say Y is wrong; they have to be portrayed by X as moronic and a moral monster. This act is lovely coming from those who from time to time, and when it's convenient, lecture the rest of us on the importance of civility in public discourse.

Sounds like any politically-founded debate to me. X could be Tory, Labour, Democrat, Republican. I reckon, though, pdq is a Republican, given the slant shown...

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 04:19 PM

The allegation that Morgan was a phone hacker was soon retracted by the Parliamentarian who made it.

It was also found by CNN to be unsupported.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 04:26 PM

The fact, Piers Morgan is a phone hacker by his own bragging.

He used many stories that he knew were illegally obtained and there are numerous sources who say the same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 04:50 PM

So may I safely assume, pdq, that you have signed the deportation petition? lol

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 04:56 PM

I'm holding out for one that includes "undesirable aliens" Andrew Sullivan, Piers Morgan and that old fart who looks like Alfred E. Newman.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 05:08 PM

Typical PDQ - shrugs off a judge led enquiry in favour of his prejudices. And typical US right wing scum. Silence anyone who disagrees with you.

And, interestingly, by the standards of most countries, Morgan is somewhere a long, long way from the left.

However, the left will always have moral superiority over the right for the right defend the liberty of the powerful to exploit the weak. They are inherently immoral. Defence of rightist position can only be based on selfishness or mendacity.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 05:37 PM

There goes the neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 06:17 PM

Question: On what basis would we request/require Piers Morgan to depart these shores? I imagine he has enough money that we won't find him a drag on our charitable agencies, I don't think they have found drugs on his person, he has kidnapped nobody... Lots of other things he hasn't done.

Can we get him for saying things that hurt our feelings? (It might prove embarrassing trying to cite him for exercising free speech rights.)

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 06:25 PM

This is all just right winged grand-standing... Grand-standing and temper-tantrums is about all the right has left... Their ideas aren't accepted by the majority... Most of their leaders can't get elected without rigging voting districts... So they are reduced to "Plan B"s, filibusters and bluster...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 07:02 PM

""His criminal activity in cellphone interception is serious and does not have to be proven in court to trigger revocation of his INS status.""

Do you not bother to read what is posted, Peedee, or are you just selectively illiterate?

The Leveson inquiry, which was very thorough, stated clearly that there was NO EVIDENCE that Morgan, or the "Mirror" were involved in illegal phone hacking.

If you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps you would like to produce it before you render youself vulnerable to a libel suit.

You should also make any such evidence available to the UK authorities.

NO?............Thought not!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 07:11 PM

P.T.Barnum couldn't sell the Republican Party to the nation with Green Stamps by the next election.

Mitt Romney has scuppered them for the forseeable future.

It's a shame that moderate Repubs have to live with that legacy, but the bottom line is that they should have stamped out the TeaParty at its birth.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 07:16 PM

There goes the neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: ollaimh
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 07:33 PM

it is amazing that anyone is so stupid as to think cnn is liberal, but ignorance and america is like apple pie and cheese.(or perhaps love and marriage for non canadians).

cnn liberal--what a crock.

as to piers moragn,i rarely whatch him. he did a famous interview skewering conman black. saw it on youtube, gee i'm glad conman is british and not canadian anymore, i wish murdocj could be deported back to australia and striped of his fortune, but piers morgan--really who cares.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: pdq
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 07:46 PM

What we have here is an hysterical attack on the 2nd Amendment by a foreign national who makes a point of hiding behind the 1st Amendment.

More than hypocrisy going on here.

Foreign nationals are not entitled to vote, carry firearms, petition the Federal government, or enjoy any of the other rights delineated in the Constitution.

In many cases, these "rights" are extened to foreign nationals, but that is out of largesse.

They then become privileges, not rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:09 PM

No, pdq, the only hysterics I see these days are in your club... None on my side... I mean, I didn't wait hours today in line to buy a fucking gun... That is the ultimate hysterics... Throw in this nothing that "Obama is out to take away your guns" and ya'll worked up into the lather...

Chill, man... Take some drugs or something... No, we don't want your guns... Just the military style ones... That represents less than 1% of the guns in the US... Also the high capacity clips that also represent less than 1% of all clips...

And for the record, ollaimh is 100% correct... CNN is not liberal... I find it center/right... I mean, liberals know this stuff... That's what makes us liberals... Righties don't know this stuff... They just pull out the usual brain-dead "liberal press" when they can't think - think, there's a concept - of anything reasonable based on facts to say...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:15 PM

I have no great love for Morgan or his politics nor indeed his confrontational style ... however the recent massacre and its tragic legacy provided Morgan with a legitimate opportunity to question the currency and validity of the right to bear arms ... it seems that many take the view that the second ammendment is inviolate ... This law/statute/ammendment, call it what you will, is over 200 years old. Why does the US have so many gun related deaths ... 'cause you have really .. like really poor gun control. Listening to the dipsticks who purport to have an informed view on the subject is farcical. Arm teachers, more hidden guns ... lets all have guns !! Hey let Iran and North Korea develop nuclear weapons .... fuck me you know it makes sense ... fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity ... In many ways supporting Morgan is difficult for me but on this ... I'm behind him and as for 40,000+ who have petitioned his deportation ... freaking great cause the issue will now get an even higher profile ... well done dummies!!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:23 PM

Well said, Frug... We are stuck with guns but...

...we don't have to be stuck with the kinds of guns that a designed exclusively to kill people...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:34 PM

CNN is liberal? Nope......I'm with Bobertz on this one. Fox is nothing but a mouthpiece for the right and especially the Teabaggers. And while I admit freely that MSNBC is liberal, they do have some folks that are not such as Joe Scarborough and Steve Schmidt. The Fox News group does no news and is "flagshipped" by Sean Hannity, a college dropout with no credentials short of being an asshole.

Sharing the 9PM time slot across from him on MSNBC is Rachel Maddow with a degree in Public Policy from Stanford and a Doctorate from Oxford in Political Philosophy which she attended on a Rhodes scholarship. MSNBC also reports news stories with a pretty limited bias. Fox invents the news such as the "War on Christmas."

CNN is older with far more centrist news people and former politicos. The talking head roster is less controversial by far.



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:47 PM

How quickly we forget where CNN was in the later Bush and early President Obama years. Liberal? Yeah, riiiiightt!

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 08:56 PM

There was a time when it CNN was maybe a little center left... That was when Ted Turner owned it and Jane Fonda was pounding on him...

Then he sold out and it went the other direction...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 09:34 PM

I figured that Ted was pounding on Jane as well..........or at least I would.........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Don't deport Piers Morgan
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Dec 12 - 09:37 PM

Yup, it was some fine mutual poundin'...

B;~)