English country dance tune request

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 02:31 PM

I went back to my primary source - "Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time" and, by gow YMMV - you're dead right! Where I got the idea of "the proper name" from I haven't the slightest. What a memory I have! Apologies al round, I think, especially to Lester and posterity!

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Lester
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 11:11 AM

Folktune Finder

Lester's Tune-A-Day

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 09:00 AM

On this thread Lyr Req: John Tams singing Dead Horse tells us he made up the additional verses - the fragment recorded by Tams being all that survives from tradition.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,OldNicKilby
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 07:10 AM

There is a great site for finding tunes ," FolkTuneFinder" there are nearly 20,000 tunes there.Sorry being a Luddite I am unable to do the blue clicky, well I suppose I am too lazy to learn

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Feb 13 - 04:39 AM

Great tune, and WHAT a find is Lester's blogspot! Over 160 tunes to play with!

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:21 PM

Just google the name of the tune, The Rogues' March you get dozens of explanations. ALL are basically the same.
It is the name of the TUNE, not the song.
It was used at "Drumming Out" ceremonies.
It's Old.
My additional info, it's the only tune I can play with any great deal of success on a Three Hole Pipe.
JohnB

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Howard Jones
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 06:11 PM

The Fiddler's Companion entry for Rogue's March goes into a lot of detail about how this was used as the "drumming out" march since at least the mid-Eighteenth Century. No mention of any "Pogue's March" even as a variant. The name is of Scottish/Ulster origin and is uncommon in England - my phone book covering part of a major English city lists only two, and as they live in the same locality they're very possibly related.

Besides, why shouldn't a tune about rogues be chipper and charming?

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Rumncoke
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 12:07 PM

Sorry - there are references to 'the rogues' march' going back quite a ways.

It is known well enough to be recognised just from the drum beat - at least in England it is.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 11:51 AM

I think it's too chipper and charming to be about rogues. I bet it was originally 'Pogue's March,' where somebody named Pogue wrote it.

I checked the Kansas City phone book, and Kansas City alone has 15 people named Pogue. Add another 5-10 for those who use only cell phones, and that's 20 Pogues in a middling Midwestern City. 'Pogue' must be a pretty common name. So I vote for Pogue's March, and forget the hanging, etc.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Feb 13 - 05:06 AM

We played it last night at the Queen Victoria session - Hare Hatch , just off the A4 ( Second Monday in the month) RG10 9TA

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Rumncoke
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 09:16 PM

Only the last verse and chorus are traditional, the rest are fairly recent - to pad out the original to make a 'proper' length song.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: alex s
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 04:15 PM

Don't remember, Steve, it's so long ago.... A mate sang it but I can't remember who.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 03:08 PM

Great tune, great words! Where are those words from, Alex?

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 02:04 PM

I was told that the Rogues' March was played by the army band as deserters were led off to the gallows.

But what do I care - it's a great tune, regardless of its history.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Marje
Date: 11 Feb 13 - 12:50 PM

It's certainly well known as The Rogues' March. I have heard it said that it was used as a gallows march and that one version only had thirteen bars because that's how long it took them to reach the gallows ...

Probably not true but it's a good story anyway.

Marje

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 11:54 PM

Many thanks for your responses and expertise. Very grateful. I loved hearing Lester Bailey playing. Was that the recording on the video?

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: alex s
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 07:30 PM

See above: tune is "The Devil shall be my sergeant".
Been playing it for years.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: alex s
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 07:27 PM

Poor Old Soldier - The Rogue's March

I left my home and I left my job
Went and joined the army
If I knew then what I know now
I wouldn't have been so barmy.

Poor old soldier, poor old soldier
If I knew then what I know now
I wouldn't have been so barmy.

Gave me a gun and a big red coat
Gave me lots of drilling
If I knew then what I know now
I wouldn't have took the shilling.

Chorus:

Sent me off on a real old boat
By Christ she was no beauty
Far far across the sea we went
Afore to do my duty

Chorus:

Fought the Russians, or was it the French
Really couldn't tell, sir
All I know is they fought so hard
They sent us all to hell, sir.

Chorus:

When we got back home again
To desert was my intent, sir
I sold my cot and I sold my coat
And over the wall I went, sir.

Chorus:

Went to a tavern and I got drunk
That is where they found me
Back to barracks in chains I was sent
And there they did impound me.

Chorus:

Fifty I got for selling me coat
Fifty for me blankets
If ever I 'list for a soldier again
The devil shall be me sergeant.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Lester
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 04:35 PM

E_F whilst you may be right it seems that the whole of Google disagrees with you. There are no references to a tune called The Rogues March to The Gallows" on the whole of the internet. Additionally all references I have read re "Rogues March" talk of said rogues being marched from camps but not being hung.

YMMV

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,Ebor_Fiddler (Well-known pedant)
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 04:01 PM

Its full name is "The Rogues March to The Gallows", but isn't it a cheeky little tune? (Sorry Lester - I couldn't resist it)
I remember playing it once at a "Folk" Church Service with our band as the Brownies came down the aisle with their flag. Mmm.

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Lester
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 03:06 PM

Rogue's March

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Lester
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 03:02 PM

Rogues March

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Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: alex s
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:47 PM

The Devil shall be my Seargeant

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:44 PM

It's actually a well-known and well-used morris tune - but, for the life of me, I can't recall its name, even after having played it loads of times!

Subject: RE: English country dance tune request
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:25 PM

Sounds like a lesser known version of a morris tune, sorry I cant help

Subject: English country dance tune request
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 10 Feb 13 - 01:21 PM

I am seeking the identification of the music played on a YouTube video of children dancing an English country dance. Can you help with the name of the music and the musicians. It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbbLGejXfs.
Thanks in advance.
Sheila