BS: UK political parties for oblivion?

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 06:54 AM

Indeed, Backwoodsman, we leave it to others and trust them to get it right, and the others in question aren't fiddling around with ingenious "pretty clever financial properties" to try and avoid paying taxes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 08:29 AM

Well said Jim, but I wish Eck and Nick wid stick tae the "steemin' entrails" an' lee the cauld quiche alane!

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 11:51 AM

Jim.

You are subject to Westminster. You are ultimately governed by a coalition of Conservative and Liberal Democrats, with Labour leading "Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition."

If that weren't the case, people wouldn't be getting a stiffy rising from their kilts over a vote to be governed otherwise. The present Scottish Parliament is a legal instrument of Westminster and was signed into existence by a Minister's pen in Whitehall.

And can be unsigned too. But we English, who tolerate you (this is aimed at your compatriot above) have the good grace to give you the opportunity to bugger off. So long as my wife and I can still prop up your economy on our holidays without getting visas, that's fine by me.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 11:55 AM

"Indeed, Backwoodsman, we leave it to others and trust them to get it right, and the others in question aren't fiddling around with ingenious "pretty clever financial properties" to try and avoid paying taxes."

Fair point, can't dispute that!

I would say, though, that I was one of the 'others' who always played a straight bat, and never got involved in the more dubious stuff that some of the other 'others' get up to! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 11:56 AM

That was me, BTW - damn this iPad!

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 12:46 PM

Musket, I made a perfectly sensible comment about the state of affairs regarding political parties and your answer is a mild form of abuse. There was nothing in my reply suggesting any political motive but you have made yours perfectly,and rudely, clear. I'm sure the Scottish economy would be delighted to accept your hard earned money but your childish comments will be less welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 01:28 PM

It wasn't abuse Jim. It was fairly provocative yes, but pointing out the absurdity of saying Scotland doesn't have the mainstream political parties in any big way.

You do.

That is what the ruddy independence vote is all about!

There are many people south of the border who don't have Tory or LibDem MPs but still are governed by a coalition. The Scottish Parliament is, like it or lump it, a sub committee of Westminster. If it weren't, there would be no need for a vote, with or without a stiffy. (Mind you, the swingometer is another story.)

I didn't suggest political motive, I suggested arrogance. Arrogance in suggesting Scotland is not part of the UK political parties debate. It is until the people speak. My "childish" post was written in that way because I laughed at the smug "already a Haggis republic" stance that you posted. If you represented yourself wrongly, then fair enough, but I posted based on what you wrote..

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 16 Mar 13 - 01:44 PM

I didn't suggest Scotland wasn't a part of the UK political parties debate ... on the contrary, I was pointing out that Scotland is governed from Westminter which has one Tory MP in Scotland. No arrogance, merely a statement of fact. The thread asks a question which I answered. You obviously deliberately misunstood or rather misconstrued a humerous poem by Burns (which I included to go along with the secondary debate regarding sausages). I suggest you recognise the humour of the poem rather than snide remarks about a haggis republic.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 06:34 AM

The place I come from doesn't have a Tory MP either and never has done.

Anyway. How come an almost illegible poem by the bloke who more than anyone linked Haggis with Scotland is recognisable humour but Haggis Republic isn't? I suppose the word dour is a Scottish one. Lighten up fer chrissake. You will get far more ridicule when Salmond starts the referendum speeches. Comics and commentators can't wait for his gaffes. Haggis Republic too much for you? Then how's about a Celtic Tiger and axis with Ireland and Iceland?

Oh. Alex beat me to it. Damn...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 07:10 AM

Musket, go          shoot yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 10:28 AM

Nae good Jim! :0(......it's completely impervious to irony.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 10:38 AM

Three points to me.

No need to shoot myself Jim. I don't qualify to vote and need to go back four generations before seeing my lot wearing skirts and blowing up a cat's arse.

But if you are being so touchy about someone pointing out Scotland is no different to any other geographical groupings of constituencies I can't wait for the referendum because I am allowed a view and that view is that it is a stupid idea formed by misty eyed historians who are in danger of inflicting misery on a hell of a lot of people if Scotland runs a pad saw between Berwick and Carlisle.

Uk parties for oblivion? At least their leaders see the dangers in getting smaller when business and economy depend on globalisation.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Mar 13 - 01:53 PM

Is Musket deliberately trying to encourage any Scottish Mudcatters to vote for leaving what would be left of theUnion.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 18 Mar 13 - 12:13 PM

That last one with a link wasn't from me.

Dunno what it is or whether I agree. Won't look at it on principle.

Only sans cookie cos phone won't hold them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:31 AM

I `ad that Colonel Chinstrap in my cab this morning. `e was fair bristling with `is waxed moustache and `is swagger stick under `is arm.
I said, "Morning Colonel, What`s got you all `ot and bothered then?"
`e said, "I`ve been keeping tabs on the Mudcat, Jim. They`re going on about the politico Johnnies, left, right, centrists, sausages, taxes, duties, train fares. They`ve even got Jimmie bringing haggis and Rabbi Burns into the forum and yet not one of them has an inkling as to how or what to do to bring about meaningful change."
I said, " Fair dooz, Colonel, What`s your answer to it all then."
`e said, "Simple ,Jim. What we need is a Bloody Good War!!


Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:51 AM

Careful Jim!

That could all too easily be prophetic.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 08:13 AM

How about this, Don T!


England could have no choice but to bomb Scottish airports in order to defend itself from attack if Scotland became independent, the former Solicitor General for Scotland has warned.

Lord Fraser of Carmyllie said if Scotland was left undefended, the enemies of England could use it as a base from which to launch air raids over the border, The Herald reported.

"If that were to happen what alternative would England have but to come and bomb the hell out of Glasgow airport and Edinburgh airport," he said.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:49 AM

Stop fretting, it'll never happen. The intelligent, sensible majority in Scotland will tell the SNP where to shove its referendum and vote to remain in the Union.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 19 Mar 13 - 03:07 PM

Backwoodsman, as long as the Scottish public are deprived of truth (The McCrone Reort) you are perfectly correct.

McCrone report
The McCrone report was a dossier written in 1974 by Professor Gavin McCrone, a leading government economist, for the Conservative UK government into the viability of an independent Scotland.
The report predicted that North sea oil revenue would have given an independent Scotland one of the strongest currencies in Europe and a large tax surplus. On this basis, it went on to say that officials advised government ministers on how to take "the wind out of the SNP sails". The incoming Labour administration classified the document as secret over fears it could give a further boost to the SNP's policy of Scottish independence.[1][2][3]
Thirty years later oil production had peaked and during the decade to 2012 declined by 6% per year, though due to increasing oil prices the annual tax revenue take remains considerable, coming in at around £35 billion in 2011-2012.[4][5]
The dossier came to light in 2005 when the SNP obtained the report under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. The full provisions of the Act came into force on 1 January 2005.[1]

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 03:13 AM

So long as voters are deprived of 'truth.'

Where have I heard that before.

Bloody hell. I started baiting our tartan correspondent purely because of the smug way he felt that UK political parties were irrelevant in a remote part of The UK.

Looks like I was onto something.   So you don't trust the intelligence of your compatriots to reach a decision without your prescribed literature?

McGraw of Harlow is right in his question above. Just that it isn't my comments that will wind up the voters. Is it Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 04:42 AM

We trust the intelligence of the Scottish people Ian, but I certainly dont trust the UK media or government to present the facts to them.

However, for the obstacles, I hope to see Scotland an independent nation once again.
Come independence, were going to make Jim Knowlege our national bard, as his whimsical humour seemes a bit to deep for the English.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 06:45 AM

I would have thought a 30 year old document even deeper...

Well you have your vote and you will exercise it based on your take. You claim in many other threads that you are swayed by cold facts so just make sure some of your rationale is more up to date and relevant. It's the money not the soundbites that count. Oblivion of political parties may be the title of this thread but long term irrelevance is already upon us.

Hence I remain bemused about an argument over whether a scone gets local cream.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Mar 13 - 06:54 AM

""England could have no choice but to bomb Scottish airports in order to defend itself from attack if Scotland became independent, the former Solicitor General for Scotland has warned.""

Jesus H Christ!

You couldn't write that as a theme for a bloody sitcom.

I'm very pleased to see that idiot is a former Solicitor General.

They should increase his medication.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 03:48 AM

"Scotland is no different to any other geographical groupings of constituencies"

Scotland is not just a group of constituencies though. It is a nation within the union. Of course the UK parties are relevant here but the political landscape is totally different so I kind of get what Jim was getting at. As to your comments about haggis republic etc well they do verge towards the offensive side but as the debate within the Scotland itself is largely at least civil then no doubt we can live with someone on the sidelines making childish remarks. Your comments about you and your wife paying for Scotland are again simply not true. As to the Ireland and Iceland remarks then one can also point towards Norway. Ireland doesn't have Scotland's vast natural resources. Not all small countries have failed and not all larger ones are stunning successes - points towards Spain and Italy! As to the Westminster v Holyrood thing then yes theoretically the Westminster govt could wind up the Scottish Parliament tomorrow. Realistically though it is not an option which would be considered. It wasn't within Holyrood's powers to hold a binding referendum. Theoretically the UK govt could have blocked it altogether. Instead they chose to do no more than tinker with the details. Politically it wasn't an option to block it just as it wouldn't be an option to dismantle devolution against the will of the Scottish people.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 03:55 AM

"I suggest you recognise the humour of the poem rather than snide remarks about a haggis republic"

The first verse of a MacDiarmid poem springs to mind as Musket continues to think he keeps Scotland afloat.


Tell me the auld, auld story
O' hoo the Union brocht
Puir Scotland into being
As a country worth a thocht.
England, frae whom a; blessings flow
What could we dae withoot ye?   
Then dinna threep it doon oor throats   
As gin we e'er could doot ye!
My feelings lang wi' gratitude
Ha'e been sae sairly harrowed
That dod! I think it's time
The claith was owre the parrot!

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 04:56 AM

You are right about one thing though Allan. It isn't true about my wife and I paying for Scotland because I never ruddy well said that in this thread. You are listening to that chip on your shoulder rather than reading what I put. I reckon in another thread I may have asked the question, based on conflicting statistics leading to nobody being certain of their stance.

I have relatives in Norway, (ironically, they moved there from Edinburgh but I digress.) We shall see how that place pans out when they run out of gas and the EU don't have to pander to them any more. The Norwegian government reckon 2023...

If Haggis Republic is "offensive" I must remember that satire can always be classed as offensive. I suppose if you put your poem without translation, I can't find that quite as offensive hey? No matter. Haggis Republic isn't my original phrase anyway. Billy Connolly used it on his last tour...

If every inhabitant of the Hoots Mon! Och Aye The Noo' Wannabe Republic are going to be so touchy about being wound up, looks like I am going to enjoy the coming months.

Even Dick Gaughan took time out from siding with the Lairds and Gentry he reckons to despise in order to say, with a lovely sense of irony, "If the English want their independence, let them have it."

Political parties for oblivion? What price SNP after the referendum?

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 05:06 AM

:0)....Good one Allen.....but I dont think MacDiarmid would have much truck with some of the career politicians who are steering the SNP

We need a bit more "heart and soul"....the revival was based on a new beginning, no more foreign wars, out of NATO,a start made on the irradication of poverty, drugs and the underclass.

We seem to be engaged in playing politics now and losing the support of the Scottish people. They are not unintelligent and can spot a careerist a mile away.

If we're not careful that revival will melt "lik sna' aff a dyke"

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 06:09 AM

Sorry that was me...Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 08:54 AM

We?

The mist begins to clear...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 11:09 AM

Dont worry Ian....after a couple of hours I'm sure it will return as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Musket
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 12:16 PM

Scotch mist?

I notice your mate has chosen the date for his pantomime. Did he check the diaries of all working tax paying citizens and find a dat when most of them are on holiday?

Never mind, don't forget the "UK political parties for oblivion" agreed to allow him his day in the international limelight. Just think on about that...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Allan Conn
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 01:43 PM

"If every inhabitant of the Hoots Mon! Och Aye The Noo' Wannabe Republic are going to be so touchy about being wound up"

On the contrary I said we can live with someone on the sidelines making childish remarks. Just wish you could maybe come up with something a but more inventive than the usual stereotype. Less boring.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 21 Mar 13 - 05:28 PM

Allan, I sat with MacDiarmid in a studio inGlasfow and recorded him reciting that and other poems. On the same LP The Legend and the Man, he recites another of his pems Scotland Small? He would have dismissed comical critics like Musket ..... elephants can have deals but fleas can't have elephants.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 04:43 AM

God, I should always check before posting. My iPad changes words when I'm not looking! I meant to write Elephants can have fleas but fleas can't have elephants.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookies
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 09:06 AM

Aye and English can have midges. Especially when on holiday in Scotland..

To be honest I wasn't sitting on the sideline. I feel Th UK should have a say in things that affect The UK and find it to be arrogant in the extreme for a few counties to try and declare UDI. Pooling resource and risk brings stability, as I have found and promoted in many areas such as business and public sector. Government is no different. So if you want something more inventive, then invent a currency. Keep sterling and ou need to pool economic strategy with the rest of The UK anyway so independence will have the effect of Scotland having less not more say in its economy. Get the Euro and ditto, only Frankfurt rather than Westminter. Invent a currency and you exchange the haggis for a banana.

On the other hand. Ripping the piss out of nationalists and other dinosaurs is fun, and actually has a social benefit. Helps to prevent modern outward looking people from taking the silly sods seriously.

Self determination? No. Just the one salary for the same politicians...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 11:12 AM

""I feel Th UK should have a say in things that affect The UK and find it to be arrogant in the extreme for a few counties to try and declare UDI.""

You don't feel that the UK already had its say when it chose to devolve government of Scotland to a Scottish Parliament?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 11:16 AM

I don't remember getting a vote on that, Don...

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 03:04 PM

Self determination means just that. The inhabitants of Scotland will vote for that. The population of England is about nine time that of Scotland and could outvote Scotland on anything as has been done for the last 300 years. The government of the UK is determined by how England votes, hence the demand for self determination, an independent country.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 03:39 PM

The good people of Scotland will vote, yes.

Whether they vote to lose influence in matters of international importance or even economic matters affecting their currency of choice- the outcome hasn't been decided till the vote.

Mr McClean seems rather cock sure of himself. Me? I have more faith in the intelligence of the British people living in the northern end of the country. .

Don. Devolving to County councils, regional assemblies or whatever. Call them a parliament if you must but the powers are still at the parish pump level whilst ever Westminster and the city influence the value of your currency and provide you with defence. Most Scottish people realise that. Even the misty eyed nationalists. If they didn't they would be content with their bloated parish council.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Stu
Date: 22 Mar 13 - 03:41 PM

"The inhabitants of Scotland will vote for that."

Well, not all us nasty English want you to leave Jim, as Scotland offers some balance to the south-east centric government of our countries and without a devolved English parliament (never going to happen as the collective guilt and for past actions and the fear of nationalism shackles the English psyche still) this domination by London and the south-east will become worse for the regions and Wales too.

Plus, I'm an old-fashioned sort who believes there is strength in diversity and the boundaries between our countries are the artificial constructs of the people who have exploited our differences rather than build on them. 2000 years ago there was no Scotland, England or Wales and all of us are descended from the people that lived here then (with other bits mixed in for spice), and the cultural fluxes of the ensuing years that have been absorbed into our culture and given us the wonderful regional differences we have no are built on those common foundations; foundations that go back tens of thousands of years and are strong and run very deep in all of us.

So forgive me if I see our politicians on either side of whichever wall, dyke or sea you live on as people of straw, short-sighted and unimaginative, tied to the tropes of empire or some romantic ideal that itself was propaganda of a sort. We're not all the same of course, but we're nowhere near as different as some would have usd think.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 03:53 AM

Sugarfoot Jack, This is not an anti English matter. You'll notice I said the inhabitants of Scotland. This means your vote would count if you lived in Scotland and were on the electoral roll. Free University education is also for the inhabitants, regardless of nationality. If Scotland and England were independent members of the EU then all people living in England could also be entitled to free University education in Scotland.
Independence would allow the people of Scotland to run Scotland, get rid of Trident, for example, and kept education etcetera free. Different countries, geographical units if you like, have different takes on matters and Scotland has shown it has progressive ideas it cannot put into practice as it cannot control its purse strings. With one Tory MP but having to put up with the coalition policies is just unfair. At least the people of England can decide their own government.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 05:05 AM

"and find it to be arrogant in the extreme for a few counties to try and declare UDI"

The country isn't at the moment trying to declare UDI. There is a debate within the country on whether we should go independent or not. It is called self determination. Whatever the outcome is (and I personally think that the No vote will almost certainly win) a big majority of the Scottish people favoured the principle that we had the right to choose. There is nothing arrogant about determining your future - the arrogance is in suggesting one shouldn't have such a right.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 05:51 AM

Then perhaps Salmond will give some overseas aid to North Lincolnshire to allow us to try a bit of self determination? Or any other parish for that matter.

Swapping deck chairs on The Titanic when you could be building lifeboats isn't about the outcome. It's about whether it was a good idea in the first place.

The boat shaped lump of concrete in Leith swallows enough of Scottish tax as it is, before actually doing anything..

If we keep Trident Scotland will still pay a fair share you prat. Defence isn't up for grabs ifi read the document correctly.

Out of interest I don't have a view either way. My view is a stage back. People will be asked to vote without full knowledge of facts and consequences. Both Salmond and in the red corner Darling have started with unrealistic porkies to justify their stance.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 06:02 AM

Scotland is a distinct nation and a constituent part of the UK and not a shire of a Greater England. There is just no comparison with North Lincolnshire or any other 'parish' as you put it. You may not like the fact that the Scots can determine their own future but there you go - that is life. I won't descend to the childish name calling!

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:10 AM

"Different countries, geographical units if you like, have different takes on matters and Scotland has shown it has progressive ideas it cannot put into practice as it cannot control its purse strings."

Of course, and I'm not arguing against a referendum or self-determination (I'm solidly in favour of it) but I still don't want the Scots to leave the union, as I wouldn't the Welsh. If Scotland leave we'll be at the mercy of the south-easters until the year dot. Mind you, dump Trident and I'll be happy. As for electing our own government, it won't be an English government, it will still be the government of the United Kingdom.

Salmond is a little Scotlander in the same way so many English politicians are little Englanders. He's hardly a progressive, sucking up to Murdoch like a buttock-loving remora and disappearing up the arse of the execrable bully Donald Trump, whom he feted when Trump was trying build a golf resort for poshos that eventually trashed a coastline and whose lackeys still pursue appalling campaigns of intimidation against the local people.

Ah well, like Alan said, that's life. If it's so, good luck to Scots, I don't really blame them. Who want's to be ruled by the feckless tosspots we have in at the moment at Westminster. At least you'll be ruled by your own feckless tosspots.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:16 AM

There you are Ian, an object lesson on how to conduct yourself in debate.

Will it do any good?....I doubt it,as your main purpose here seems to be trying, unsuccessfully, to "wind people up".

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 07:52 AM

Thanks, Sugarfoot Jack, I am not a member of the SNP but believe in an independent Scotland to choose its own feckless tosspots or not as the case maybe. At least we'll have the opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 08:20 AM

Regarding an independent Scotland, here is something worth considering providing Parliament has the determination to implement it. The National Debt of the U.K.(as of the last quarter of 2012)is £1347 billion. Since the total population of the U.K.(that is from the Orkneys and Shetland to the Channel Islands) is, say, 65 million then that figure equates to a debt of £20,700 for every man, woman and child. Since the population of Scotland is 5 million at least then the first thing Alex Salmond would inherit, come a yes vote, is a national debt of £105 billion. I don`t think free BMW`s for all would be possible for some time!

Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:21 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: UK political parties for oblivion?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 09:46 AM

I think you miscount, Richard.

Strictly speaking there aren't any significant UK parties already. All the main ones restrict themselves to the island Great Britain. If Scotland goes that would presumably change to Southern Britain, in the "United Kingdom of Northern Ireland and Southern Britain".

I'm pretty unsure where I stand on Scottish Independence. If I was in Scitland I'd certainly be for it, but it's not nice to think of living in a country likely to be permanently dominated by the South-East corner of England. And in time ever more so, as the North goes the same way as Scotland sooner or later...