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Subject: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: PHJim Date: 18 Mar 13 - 01:51 PM What do you think of this CNN reporting? CNN journalism |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Niggardly Bastard Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:13 PM They were star football players. The victim ruined their lives by permitting herself to be raped by them. Now they're Registered Sex Offenders. Why did she do that to them? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Bobert Date: 18 Mar 13 - 02:50 PM I have mixed feelings... Big Media has choices to make... While I do not condone rape in any circumstance I wonder why Big Media isn't pushing harder to cover the rape epidemic that is plaguing our military... Or why thousands of rape victims have gone thru the 5 hours of invasive procedures after a rape to assemble what are known as "rape kits" which contain lots of DNA samples to matched up with possible rapists that sit on shelves years without anyone actually acting on that evidence??? Yeah, great... We got two... Now let's quit the ballgames and really make rape a higher priority, Big Media... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Desert Dancer Date: 18 Mar 13 - 03:32 PM I caught just part of it and was appalled. Here's a Change.org petition asking them to apologize, that I signed. However, CNN was not alone. Here is a response that I shared on Facebook (not that I wrote) Steubenville teens are found guilty but rape culture remains alive and well. It points to the many places in our culture that privilege men and excuse rape. Yesterday I read an essay about "angry feminists" and how anger can be a useful thing. It pointed out that we're in a "third wave" of feminism: a lot of the legislative/policy work has been done, but the societal and cultural work goes on, and it's a harder and slower process. One more link, from a friend this morning: A Letter To My Sons About Stopping Rape. A world in which people act with empathy and compassion for others is the hard, hard work to be done... teaching all our children that good sex only comes from mutual consent -- and not just consent, but affirmation. That it's right to take action about something you see that is wrong. And yeah to your points, too, Bobert. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Desert Dancer Date: 18 Mar 13 - 03:51 PM And this just in: Fox News Runs Name Of Steubenville Rape Victim. Fox News, in what seems to be an editing mistake, ran a clip from the court room where [Trent] Mays said the victim's name. ... In an earlier piece on Fox's news website, the organization did manage to censor out the names of the two rapists, Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond. Their names, however, have been published by news outlets because the boys' lawyers have openly identified them in court. The victim's has not, until this point. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,CS Date: 18 Mar 13 - 03:56 PM Oops.. Yes, what a grubby little story and even worse coverage. What's most disturbing about the story is that it seems there were multiple witnesses who watched, recorded and uploaded footage of the assaults against this young girl, who was so drunk and incapable, that one witness described her as sitting half dressed and mumbling beside a pool of her own vomit. But the way that it's been couched as some kind of town tragedy, not because of this, but because a couple of footballers have now destroyed their own potential future careers, is quite repulsive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: akenaton Date: 18 Mar 13 - 03:57 PM We have nothing resembling a "free press" other than the freedom to spin and lie to the populace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Don Firth Date: 18 Mar 13 - 04:04 PM I'm sorry, but I do not have a damned bit of sympathy for these two young men. Where, during that CNN report, did they express any concern at all for the sixteen-year-old girl who was the victim of these rapes? And are they sorry for what they did? Or are they just sorry that they got caught!? So the two young men will have to serve time, and have blown their potential careers as professional football players. And so they will, henceforth, be listed as registered sex offenders. My heart bleeds! They should have thought of a few things like that before they unzipped! Perhaps their fate will deter any other such young men who might be inclined to force their attentions on some young girl. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: michaelr Date: 18 Mar 13 - 04:13 PM Shame on CNN for that report. And I think the two rapists got off with too light a sentence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Mar 13 - 04:17 PM ...but if you told young girls to not get drunk at parties with horny teenagers, some wannabe political activist will jump up and say you're intruding on their 'civil rights'! ....usually a political activist who doesn't think people should be personally responsible for their actions....then they grow old, and spout off a lot of other nonsense, rather than cop to the fact that they were irresponsible, and stupid in their youth. Oh well, tough beans....horny is as horny does.......maybe it's 'genetic'.........(rolls eyes). GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:16 PM I am still a bit unclear as to what your objections to the CNN report are. Making vague assertions is a sin, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: meself Date: 18 Mar 13 - 05:44 PM I was like Stim, but I've figured it out. If this were the only report on the story, I'd be 'appalled' as well - but it's not; it's only one of the more recent of God-knows-how-many. The focus of this installment was the sentencing - seems natural enough to me that the two young men would be at the centre of this bit. What I get from it is: they were two students who seemed to be full of promise; they committed a horrible crime; now they're paying the price - and it's sad to see such a waste (isn't it?). There is little mention of the victim in this report; is this not because it is assumed that viewers are familiar with the crime; that is to say, what happened to the victim? Seems to me it's the same impulse that inspires 'good-night songs' like Sam Hall or Tom Dooley - a person who perhaps could have done better turns to crime, possibly kills someone, is sentenced to death, repents or does not repent on the gallows, sentence is carried out. The listener has a bit of a thrill of horror and a twinge of regret, then goes on with their life. Or did I miss something? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: PHJim Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:28 AM Yes, poor Ted Bundy. He could've been a wonderfully successful lawyer. The guy had a brilliant mind... as did Charlie Manson. Tragic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: meself Date: 19 Mar 13 - 01:18 AM Just curious: why did you ask what we think of the reporting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:50 AM Bundy?? Manson??...It was genetic..they couldn't help it!...They need a 'civil rights' activist....to get some of them-those-there equal rights...and a free cell phone!.....and recognized that their behavior wasn't really behavior....Call Don 'The Froth Proff' Firth...! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Peter Date: 19 Mar 13 - 06:54 AM Of course they could help it you fuckwit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,mando-player-91 Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:20 AM I think it's pretty sick that today in 2013 we are living in a rape society . The Media is sick and Fox news is the worse. No one ever ever asks to get rapped alcohol or no alcohol it's not a invite for a yes on it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Mar 13 - 07:33 AM ""...but if you told young girls to not get drunk at parties with horny teenagers, some wannabe political activist will jump up and say you're intruding on their 'civil rights'!"" You really are a disgusting piece of shit Goofie. Youngsters don't make a point of asking permission to get smashed, however much good advice they have received, but that doesn't mean that they should be raped and abused. Put the blame where it belongs! Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: JohnInKansas Date: 19 Mar 13 - 08:01 AM In the context of prior reporting on the incident and the trial, it's not too hard to see a justification for emphasis on the "ruination" of the lives of the perpetrators. Perhaps "inept" is a better description of the report cited than "irresponsible." As to whether kids ask permission to get drunk and be criminals, one of the aspects of this case that needs to be pushed up front is that they had the permission to get drunk, if not to act like criminals, from the people who set up the party. A newer report, from just after the sentencing, might be of interest here: Two teen girls charged for online threats against Steubenville rape victim By Andrew Rafferty, Staff Writer, NBC News A day after a juvenile court judge found two Steubenville High School football players guilty of raping a 16-year-old girl, Ohio's attorney general announced two more teens have been arrested — for allegedly using social media to threaten the victim. A 16-year-old girl will face a charge of aggravated menacing for threatening the life of the victim on Twitter, according to a statement from State Attorney Mike DeWine. A 15-year-old girl is charged with menacing after being accused of "threatening bodily harm" to the victim on Facebook, DeWine said. On Sunday, Trent Mays, 17, and Ma'lik Richmond, 16, were found guilty of raping the teenage girl during a night of heavy drinking and partying in a high-profile case that drew national attention to the small Ohio town. Shortly after the trial concluded, DeWine announced a new, wide-ranging investigation that could yield more charges. "Let me be clear. Threatening a teenage rape victim will not be tolerated. If anyone makes a threat verbally or via the internet, we will take it seriously, we will find you, and we will arrest you," DeWine said in a statement. Social media played a unique role throughout the investigation as investigators used photos, messages and videos posted online to piece together what happened the night of Aug. 11, 2012. A now infamous 12-minute video shocked many in the town of 18,000 for the callous and profane way they discussed raping the young female. "You were your own accuser, through the social media that you chose to publish your criminal conduct on," the mother of the victim told the boys after the verdict was read. And more charges are likely to come down the line, perhaps for the football coaches and parents where the parties were held. Next month a grand jury will meet to consider evidence gathered during dozens of interviews, including the coaching staff of the Steubenville football team. "I've reached the conclusion that this investigation cannot be completed, simply cannot be completed, that we cannot bring finality to this matter without the convening of a grand jury," DeWine said on Sunday, barley an hour after the judge handed down the guilty verdicts. The two teens charged Monday are being held in a local detention center. WTRF of Steubenville reports the two will appear in front of a judge on Tuesday. [It's pretty sad (IMO) when a whole town thinks that the only purpose that matters for a school is whether they field a great football team, but it's not confined to Steubenville, or to football.] John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Rapparee Date: 19 Mar 13 - 08:54 AM I think most journalism today is irresponsible. Drunk or not, rape is rape. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,CS Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:08 AM Regarding the ruination of the assailants potential future careers, it would seem that there have been efforts to cover up the crime against this girl, and it would also seem that there are others who were involved in - what the participants themselves described as - the "rape crew" who have evaded prosecution for the parts they played. All pretty shady stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:10 AM Sorry, I'm not seeing that the CNN report linked to above was "irresponsible journalism". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Bat Goddess Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:20 AM You mean these kids really had no idea that what they were doing was not only WRONG but illegal?!? Being hauled into court was a big surprise? What ARE they being taught? And by whom? That because they're important football players they can do any damned thing they want (including posting photos of their crime on Facebook) and there are NO consequences? That no matter how outrageous their behavior, they won't end up in jail and tagged with "Sex Offender" for the rest of their lives? Yes, the journalism in this case is irresponsible. And not teaching kids of either sex the difference between right and wrong is irresponsible. And keeping them ignorant of the fact that having sex with someone incapable of giving consent is both wrong and illegal is irresponsible. That the lack of respect for another human being is irresponsible. All that being said, why did no one teach the young woman how to drink and how dangerous (in a lot of different ways) it can be to drink to the point of passing out? Linn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,CS Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:30 AM As to the girl being unconscious, I have read accusations that suggest a date rape drug was administered prior to the group assault, but police maintained it was too late for a toxicology report to prove that. I've also read that the police claimed to have lost the video of a member of the "rape crew" joking about the attacks while the girl was still unconscious, that video was later uploaded to the internet by Anonymous, who - unlike the police - were apparently able to find it. All a bit shady as said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Mar 13 - 11:01 AM And these poor lads will be "Registered Sex Offenders" their whole life. Here's a clue: THEY ARE SEX OFFENDERS! And, of course, Guest From Same old Shit, in a vain, narcissistic, irrelevant rant once again ferrets out more liberal hipocracy and displays his moral and intellectual superiority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 19 Mar 13 - 11:13 AM The Guardian ran a good comment on this : article |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 11:57 AM gillmor: "And, of course, Guest From Same old Shit, in a vain, narcissistic, irrelevant rant once again ferrets out more liberal hipocracy and displays his moral and intellectual superiority." Well Gilly, at least you agree with me about ferreting out 'more liberal hypocrisy'!! ..and for the moron crowd..my post (18 Mar 13 - 04:17 PM)was pretty much satire...yet still par for the course!...and directed to the phony, hypocritical political 'activists' who parade around championing lunatic behavior, under the guise of idiots, claiming their lunatic behavior, as an civil right entitlement!!! By the way, Gilly, your criticism of my post, contradicts itself...and makes little sense. You might re-read it, and get a clue as to why....unless, of course YOU were being satirical, yourself! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:05 PM Having watched the CNN piece carefully, it seems to me that the message that they conveyed, clearly, but not vindictively, is that whatever potential these kids had, they destroyed through their own choices, and the atrocious acts that they've committed will follow and define them through life, and not their talents, their potential, or their dreams. I think that it is greatly painful to see young lives destroyed, however it may happen, and I don't think it is irresponsible to react to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:08 PM Ho hum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:14 PM The above was not aimed at you, Stim, but rather toward Guest from SOS, although I'll reserve all my sympathy in this case for the victim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:26 PM An age old wannabe 'so-called liberal' smear tactic...with NO substance..No facts...just smearing poop. Way to go, Gilly!..more proof that when you have nothing factually valuable to say, or add, you just contradict yourselves, trying to. ..I guess, as you pointed out,.. more ferreting out 'liberal' hypocrisy!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 19 Mar 13 - 12:34 PM You know Guest FSOS you have been so assiduous in exposing Left Wing duplicity and treachery I think you have ascended to Super Hero status. How about "McCarthy Man" or "The HUAC-inator" as possible monikers. Your choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Stim Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:34 PM I am not exactly sympathetic, I regret the loss, though. I think a fair amount of blame falls on parents, teachers, coaches, etc who failed to convey to these kids that they have it in their capacity to destroy both their own lives and the lives of others. These guys are much luckier than the seven teens that hopped into a stolen honda Passport with a friend up the road in Warren, Ohio just a couple days ago. Their friend decided that it would be fun to drive 60 mph around the local "dead man's curve". And now six of the eight, including the driver, are dead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 19 Mar 13 - 02:43 PM Happy Sillymore: "You know Guest FSOS you have been so assiduous in exposing Left Wing duplicity and treachery I think you have ascended to Super Hero status." How about the 'left wing' being a little less....umm....how did you put it...."Left Wing duplicity and treachery"..... So you attack me for THAT??????!!..I'd think you'd turn your attentions to the..."Left Wing duplicity and treachery"!!!! To quote Belushi...."But Noooooo!!!"...and again Belushi, "Wise up!" GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 19 Mar 13 - 08:52 PM The Guardian article (Peter Laban's link) wasn't all that good, and sometimes irrational. Raping a comtose girl lying in her own vomit is surely more to do with drink-fuelled lust that a "desire for power." I have cringed at most of the Fox and CNN coverage, but that's to do with their generally tacky style, whereby news presenters positively wallow in what they report rather than make any attempt to be objective. This particular news item, as others have noted, concerned the sentencing. And what I took from it was a clear warning that a crime as serious as rape can have serious consequences no matter who the perp(s) might be. I have no problem with that. Other broadcasts, of which there were many during the course of the trial, covered other aspects of the case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: meself Date: 19 Mar 13 - 09:52 PM I skimmed the first couple of paragraphs of the Guardian article and skipped the rest - it didn't seem to be saying any more than had been said already in posts on this thread. Don't know why it was recommended. Or why the thread was started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 Mar 13 - 09:43 AM Matt Binder has been collecting horrific "tweets" about Steubenville (and before that, other topics). If the CNN story annoys you, these will make you apoplectic: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: JohnInKansas Date: 20 Mar 13 - 11:36 AM There is a new report this morning about a comment by the Ohio Attorney General who explained his request for continued investigation of whether other crimes were committed in connection with the case. For anyone interested, the report is at Ohio attorney general: Girls who threatened rape victim 'crossed the line'. An "incidental" comment by the AG that caught my attention was: ""I think it would be a mistake to think we're specifically looking at the football coach, or coaches – there's 27 coaches actually on the football team. We're looking at every aspect of this," he said." 27 COACHES???? FOR A %@$!# HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM????? I wonder how many math and science teachers they have(?) They must have on Hell of a Marching Band for the half time shows ... ? John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,jts Date: 20 Mar 13 - 12:44 PM I think I would like to know what the football team had to do with the crime. Were the drinking at a team sanctioned party? Did coaches cover up things they knew about? If there was no football team involvement, why identify them as football players? Is "football player" that exalted in Ohio or at CNN? I could not call this Irresponsible Journalism. I would not call and interview with a "reporter" expressing her feelings about those boys without taking into account the broader legal and social picture journalism at all. It is just reality TV and Candy Crowley is just another Ryan Seacrest type host. Without as much objectivity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Mar 13 - 01:05 PM Irresponsible Journalism??? Oh, they are responsible, alright....but not to the public...only to those who own them, and use them to promote ideologies that create the imaginary illusion, that you NEED something, that another 'loan' from the central 'banks' can provide....with some fat interest attached, of course....all the while calming the people down...after all, it's only entertainment! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Stringsinger Date: 20 Mar 13 - 01:11 PM What journalism? The Crappy News Network? (CNN). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Mar 13 - 10:58 PM ""I think most journalism today is irresponsible. Drunk or not, rape is rape. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."" If they were really doing the time that the crime deserves, they'd be too old for playing football by the time they got out. We've seen heavier sentences for dangerous driving. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Irresponsible Journalism? From: Bat Goddess Date: 22 Mar 13 - 10:32 AM Why is this important? Why are we still having this discussion at all? Why does the state AG want to investigate the COACHES further? Read this article in The Nation's blog -- Verdict "...text message sent by one of the now-convicted rapists, team quarterback Trent Mays. Mays had texted a friend that he wasn't worried about the possibility of rape charges because his football coach, local legend Reno Saccoccia, "took care of it." In another text, Mays said of Coach Reno, "Like, he was joking about it so I'm not worried." " It didn't matter how outrageous or illegal their behavior because their coach "took care of it"...and now they feel betrayed because their lives are ruined? Gimme a break. Linn |
