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Subject: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 07:24 PM

News just out.........


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 07:37 PM

Maybe it's time they had a female Doctor Who.

Imagine Jo Brand...


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 11:50 PM

Maybe it's because I'm American but I've never figured out why the show was popular and lasted so long.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 12:36 AM

Have you watched it much, Wesley? It grows on you. And everyone I know wants to have their own Tardis. :)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 01:47 AM

The Tardis is not all it's cracked up to be.

In mine the transport controls are annoyingly erratic, so you never know where you're going to end up - and lot's of times you don't even know where you're starting out from.

And all those interior rooms do nothing but collect dust bunnies - some of which are disturbingly aggressive.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Neil D
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 02:21 AM

John Hurt?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 02:40 AM

For obvious reasons oughtn't they to get Roger Daltrey? He's an actor too ~~ was excellent in Jonathan Miller's The Beggar's Opera way back when...

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 02:41 AM

A complete aside, but the BBC website told us that Steven Moffat is the 'runner', which was the first time I'd discovered American TV has decided to use the same name for both the top job and the lowest job in the industry. Why on earth (or Gallifrey) should anyone do that?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 03:52 AM

"Maybe it's because I'm American but I've never figured out why the show was popular and lasted so long."

Don't worry, Wesley, I'm British and I don't understand it either!

My best guess is that, like most 'TV SciFi', it's appeal has nothing to do with 'real' speculative literature. For that, the show's plots would have to be informed by real science, be thoroughly thought through and make some sort of sense (rather than the half-baked jumble of of silly notions derived from 'pop science' that they usually are). Basically, 'Dr Who' is yet another soap opera and I suspect that its audience are more interested in the relationship between the eponymous 'Dr.' and his glamorous assistant than they are in any speculative content.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:25 AM

I can't say I've enjoyed the shows much since Matt Smith joined, but I don't think that's down to him, but that the overall standard has declined from some well thought out ideas to "the half-baked jumble of silly notions" you refer to. But I don't think it is necessarily the case these need to be correct scientifically, since some of the most interesting stuff is of quite a different nature. For example, in one of the Christopher Ecclestone episodes a dalek gives a one liner to the doctor: "You would have made a good dalek". That's simply brilliant, in my book, since it opens a whole train of thought on exactly how they differ, and whether it is in fact true. And that, for the thoughtful kind of person, reflects into their own lives about whether they as different from some other group as they assume they are. To me, that is (science) fiction at its best.

I can think of perhaps a dozen such points throughout the series (hmmm, I wonder what the plural of series is?), but I can't think of any since Smith joined.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:29 AM

Agree with Shimrod, I find Dr. Who to be very weak as sci fi, it's more of a soap opera slash romance with some scienceish ideas tagged on, though I do think it has seen better days.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Acorn4
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:37 AM

Stacey Solomon?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,The Doctor's Glamorous Assistant
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:43 AM

On a point of order, and at the risk of being thought a pedant, the new incumbent will not be the new 'Who'. He or she will be the new 'The Doctor'.
The Doctor's name is 'The Doctor', not 'Doctor Who'.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:45 AM

Roger Daltrey, he's already been in The Who.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:49 AM

I beat you to that point 8 posts back, Dave.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 04:54 AM

Dr's Glam Asst ~~ We know that, but the pedantry has been overtaken by a sort of folklore; deliberately engineered by the originators of the series title, I should say.

My late wife Valerie spent a few days in hospital once, where there was a Chinese houseman called Dr Hu. Every time the call came over the tannoy for "Dr Hu", all the ladies in the ward would shout in chorus "And the Daleks".

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 06:53 AM

but I've never figured out why the show was popular and lasted so long.

It hasn't. It had a (generally) good run from 1963 to 1989 when it was cruelly culled by a cynical BBC. I think anything that came afterwards is referred to by the faithful as Nu-Hu (New-Who) to differentiate from the original continuity & the mythos thereof in which we might still imagine what the world would have been like if Geoffrey Bayldon had taken up the mantle thus depriving the world of Catweazel. Nothing in Nu-Hu can compare with this, much less the Weirdlore Zeitgeist that gave us The Daemons in 1971 - though I must confess to hiding behind the sofa when the morris dancers came on.

Enjoyed the Sarah Jane Adventures though; back to basics with character & story development rather than bogging itself down with big meaningless concepts and mawkish overkill.

Here's my vintage CYBERMEN just to show I'm a real fan of the show.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 12:16 PM

Thanks for the advice, JohnInKansas. I want one because I think it would solve the problem of where to keep all of the books.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 11:15 PM

THIS is video science fiction! Poo on Who!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Jun 13 - 11:21 PM

Rowen Atkinson with Hugh Laurie!!

....(again)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 02:49 AM

MtheGM, Roger Daltrey, shit actor IMHO.

I stopped watching Dr Who after Tom Baker.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 03:22 AM

To the critics - please remember that this was, and judging by the timing still is, aimed at the teen/younger adult audience. While I agree it is not traditional sci-fi I do not believe that is any reason to knock it. Doing so is akin to knocking music, no matter how good, because it is not folk. I can't see that happening, can you? :-)

If you think of more as loosely science connected fantasy, pretty much like Hitch-Hikers guide to the Galaxy, it begins to make more sense. Well, I suppose sense is too strong but I can't think of another at the moment!

As to being more interested in the romantic aspect, not guilty. My family and I find the token romantic intervals more of a distraction. Fortunately they are not too often or too obvious so I can live with that.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 03:34 AM

Really, Dave? I thought him absolutely right in Jonathan Miller's The Beggar's Opera ~~ as good as Olivier in the Peter Brook film, tho the character quite differently conceived by the two of them. I have both on video & often play them back-to-back, to continued pleasure & enlightment.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 05:08 AM

in one of the Christopher Ecclestone episodes a dalek gives a one liner to the doctor: "You would have made a good dalek". That's simply brilliant, in my book, since it opens a whole train of thought on exactly how they differ, and whether it is in fact true. And that, for the thoughtful kind of person, reflects into their own lives about whether they as different from some other group as they assume they are. To me, that is (science) fiction at its best.

I can think of perhaps a dozen such points throughout the series (hmmm, I wonder what the plural of series is?), but I can't think of any since Smith joined.


My favourite 'sight gag' in the Matt Smith era was in "A Good Man Goes To War". Madame Vastra (the Silurian) and Jenny (her 'assistant') have overpowered two guards and one of the guards (picking up on the chemistry between the two) says "I don't know what she sees in her", at which Madame Vastra lashes out at the guard with her six-foot tongue.
Fortunately it will have been completely lost on the kids!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 05:54 AM

The writing in the current series has been so poor I'm not sure it matters. Especially Mark Gatiss, dreadful.

How about Nick Clegg? Plenty of acting experience, and he seems at a bit of a loose end at the moment?

Ohhh no, no, wait I've got it! Boris Johnson!!! Go on give me one reason he's not perfect?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 05:56 AM

He was pretty good in ' Tommy ' I'll admit, but he had a part in one of those CSI programmes and it was appaling.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 06:01 AM

Didn't see that one; but not all parts suit all actors. But, apart from "Tommy', get hold of that Beggar's Op & I think you'll be impressed by Daltrey's performance.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 06:12 AM

Boris Johnson!!! Go on give me one reason he's not perfect?

The Doctor usually has some intelligence :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 07:27 AM

And you reckon Boris hasn't, D? I think you would do well not to underrate him. You wouldn't be the first, but where are they all now?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 07:50 AM

Luckily, Michael, I don't move in those circles so however I rate him will not matter a ha'purth.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 08:04 AM

Then why express such a fatuous opinion on the matter in the first place?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 08:46 AM

Are you just arguing for arguments sake, Michael, or can you really not understand that politicians are fair game for any amount of ridicule? It is indeed a fatuous comment, never intended to cause any in-depth political comment, so please do not feel obliged to provide any analysis of either Mr Johnson's admirable qualities or my lack of them.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: My guru always said
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 09:14 AM

NeilD gave you a bit of a 'heads-up' earlier & I assume he watched the end of the last program. As far as I know it will be John Hurt. Hope this doesn't spoil your fun......

Personally, I'd like to see Billy Connolly give it a try!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 10:13 AM

Mgas:

"Personally, I'd like to see Billy Connolly give it a try!"

Then no one in Liverpool would watch it! Having said that, banjo playing in the Tardis? Could work :)


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 10:14 AM

Me above.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 10:21 AM

I always wondered why David Tennant adopted an English accent for his time in the roll. I think a Scottish Doctor would work well. Maybe the next Doctor will be black? Lenny Henry anyone :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 10:36 AM

I think you would do well not to underrate him

You're bang on the money there, Michael - best we take that as a very serious warning for a future Tory Dystopia that will make The Thatcher Years look like Heaven on Earth.

*

As far as I know it will be John Hurt. Hope this doesn't spoil your fun......

Seems John Hurt was a red herring - one theory has him as the missing Doctor Regeneration between Paul McGann and Christopher Eccleston. Read all about it here, but take some aspirin along:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/23/doctor-who-john-hurt-50th-anniversary-show_n_3324473.html

*

For me the ideal Doctor would be multifaceted character actor David Threlfal - he could regenerate every month or so and still come out more convincing than that last two (I liked Eccleston, but would have preferred June Brown).


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 10:42 AM

I forgot - Threlfall already played The Doctor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGaqgzC9cR4


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 03:03 PM

Peter Capaldi. Alan Cumming ??


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 03:35 PM

DtG I suppose it's unfair to disparage things other people enjoy. To be truthful it's mainly an annoyance at the lack of scifi on TV generally as well as the ubiquity of soap operas and romance!

Someone above mentioned Tom Baker, now there was a Doctor! Weird, powerful and not quite human despite the appearance of being human, far too Other for romance!

I just can't abide these pretty clean-shaven boy-men and the romantic dramas they've imposed upon us as though to appeal to the female audience - as a girl who actually likes science fiction I'd like to tell the Beeb: real girls like real scifi!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jun 13 - 05:53 PM

Good on you, CS - You tell 'em - And while you're at it see if anyone can can that awful Twilight stuff! :-)

DtG
(Being just as disparaging so don't feel guilty)


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 10:30 AM

Just found out that had better take notice of me!

Doctor Who branded racist

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 11:13 AM

Seems somewhat daft to brand Dr. Who racist for only ever incarnating in white form. He's an *alien humanoid from another planet*. Maybe the people of Gallifrey simply don't have a lot of mellanin pigment? Maybe they never needed mellanin as a defence against sun-light, or maybe they've evolved not to need it? As a side thought, have any of the Doctors had even so much as a suntan? They always seem ubiquitously pale-skinned to me. As for referencing boo-boos from the seventies, give us a break, it was the *seventies* ffs, even crap like The B&W Minstrels were considered family entertainment!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 02:49 PM

A fictional character can't be a racist, by implication Lindy Orthia must mean the author of Dr. Who is a racist.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: andrew e
Date: 04 Jun 13 - 07:46 PM

William Shatner


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 01:44 AM

According to one UK rag this morning, it will be Michael Jackson's daughter.
Please God, let it not be true!


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 03:09 AM

What would it matter whose daughter, if she could play the part? And why should God care anyhow?


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 04:16 AM

I was under impression from the ending scene of last show that it would be John Hurt.

I just think the show is a laugh. But I am as inclined to sleep through it as sit on edge of my seat, depending upon many internal and external factors. Most of the fun is making disparaging commentary while watching it. Kind of like Mystery Science Theatre 2000.

If the new Doctor is woman, I'd like Sandra Millican to give it a whack.


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 04:51 AM

Eddie Izzard


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Subject: RE: BS: So who will be the new Who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 13 - 05:10 AM

The end of the last show was a bit contradictory, VT - Matt Smith said that he (the John Hurt Character) was everything the Doctor was not - Some sort of alter-ego. But, yes, the credits said he was the Doctor. I suspect it will pan out as the former unless the two 'halves' combine maybe? And a big yes to Eddie Izzard :-)

Cheers

DtG


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