BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Jun 13 - 11:47 PM

...and just a simple office memo from the White House and they'd do it, in a New York second!...but, if you might have noticed, they're enforcement seems to be rather 'selective' to say the least...so it would seem that certain competition is being 'regulatorily' paired down....it just appears Monsanto is on the 'pay back' list, or 'bribe' or pay off the 'blackmail' list,..but some magical way, they are being given a green light...maybe it's the fascist's food supplier list....but then, you think it's only Republicans who would do this, and I say it's more like the Republicrats ...but whatever, they're getting a pass. How come the bill names Monsanto, in particular, and not ALL(there's that word again), companies engaged in GMO research or production???....just Monsanto....ya' think if another company would try to muscle in on the market, ya' think the EPA, FDA, or the USDA would step in???,,You bet your ass they would!...and that's how it works!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:38 AM

I'm about as anti Tea-Party/Republican mentality as anybody can be---my values are much closer to Ralph Nader's. And I was so relieved when Obama got back in during the last election. Yet most of what GFS is saying seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 01:27 AM

Thanks Larry...They did the same thing with the housing finance stuff...they got a loophole to work through..then they closed it, so nobody else could pull that off...and then they called it 'reform'.. everybody is relieved, and applauds..and then on top of it, with a new song and dance, that was hailed by one party or the other, they got bailouts, to boot!...and ever since they've been ducking and weaving, and got the parties into pointing fingers, as such on here...and they just walk away. NOBODY was charged with anything!!!

The 'right' will tell you, it was to 'stimulate the housing market', on behalf of the investors, the left will tell you that it was making housing 'affordable' to everyone, everybody claps for their side, and boos the other..the debate goes on, then withers..too boring...not 'entertaining' enough....the market bubble pops, we're left holding the bag, while the economy tanks, all those builders of homes go broke, out of work...and now the corporations have to 'find' a 'remedy'...which, in reality is just a set up, nearing the final scam....and the ideologues clap like a bunch of barking sea lions, bobbing on a buoy, trying to call attention to how wise they are, and why we should listen to them!.........Meanwhile poverty grows..but that's OK with the manipulators.......all you have to do is convince them to turn in their guns, (or their neighbors), and the threat of any resistance is a comfort to them!
Now I'm not in anyway promoting any violent act, anywhere..but just describing their motives and paths we've been traveling on...and BOTH sides will debate it, and what party does what, may yet to be divied-up, or assigned, as to obscure what they've been up to, and where it's coming from....but, what they're doing, is they filter who's to support what, through the most compliant party....and the rank and file party devotee, may be sincere, as I'm sure some here are...but in reality, they have been sincerely deceived, and quieted, and beaten down.
Am I still making sense, Larry??..All you have to do is stop rationalizing blame away, and watch the events go down, through all the very planned distractions!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the privately owned 'Federal Reserve' will print up some more, non-backed, fiat money, ...ahhh sigh of relief....and charge us interest, to pay for the game they've been hoodwinking and scamming us with...Pretty slick, eh?

Monsanto is just one of the crowd of big boys..so they get the benefits of the available government covering.
It's not rocket science...it only seems that way, because they try to keep people stupid, as not to connect the dots!!!

Anyway, have a great night...I might be up for a bit more...between practice sessions.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 01:43 AM

Correction...so scratch the other one....


Thanks Larry...They did the same thing with the housing finance stuff...they got a loophole to work through..then they closed it, so nobody else could pull that off...and then they called it 'reform'.. everybody is relieved, and applauds..and then on top of it, with a new song and dance, that was hailed by one party or the other, they got bailouts, to boot!...and ever since they've been ducking and weaving, and got the parties into pointing fingers, as such on here...and they just walk away. NOBODY was charged with anything!!!

The 'right' will tell you, it was to 'stimulate the housing market', on behalf of the investors, the left will tell you that it was making housing 'affordable' to everyone, everybody claps for their side, and boos the other..the debate goes on, then withers..too boring...not 'entertaining' enough....the market bubble pops, we're left holding the bag, while the economy tanks, all those builders of homes go broke, out of work...and now the corporations have to 'find' a 'remedy'...which, in reality is just a set up, nearing the final scam....and the ideologues clap like a bunch of barking sea lions, bobbing on a buoy, trying to call attention to how wise they are, and why we should listen to them!.........Meanwhile poverty grows..but that's OK with the manipulators.......all you have to do is convince them to turn in their guns, (or their neighbors), and the threat of any lesser resistance is a comfort to them!
Now I'm not in anyway promoting any violent act, anywhere..but just describing their motives and paths we've been traveling on...and BOTH sides will debate it, and what party does what, may yet to be divied-up, or assigned, as to obscure what they've been up to, and where it's coming from....but, what they're doing, is they filter who's to support what, through the most compliant party....and the rank and file party devotee, may be sincere, as I'm sure some here are...but in reality, they have been sincerely deceived, and quieted, and beaten down.
Am I still making sense, Larry??..All you have to do is stop rationalizing blame away, and watch the events go down, through all the very planned distractions!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the privately owned 'Federal Reserve' will print up some more, non-backed, fiat money, ...ahhh sigh of relief....and charge us interest, to pay for the game they've been hoodwinking and scamming us with...Pretty slick, eh?

Monsanto is just one of the crowd of big boys..so they get the benefits of the available government covering.
It's not rocket science...it only seems that way, because they try to keep people stupid, as not to connect the dots!!!

Anyway, have a great night...I might be up for a bit more...between practice sessions.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 09:13 AM

What doesn't make sense is that GfinS blames everything and anything that can be construed, rightfully or not, directly on Obama... That is naive and ridiculous...

Rep. Darryl Issa, after the 2010 election, telegraphed what a Republican led House of Representatives was going to be like in saying that it would be nothing more than an investigative branch of government and that as long as the Republicans held the House they were going to do nothing more than investigate, investigate and investigate some more...

So here we are in the middle of scadalmania with really not all that much that has gone wrong compared to George W. Bush's administration... And no real evidence that Obama knew about any of these trumped up so-called scandals...

Benghazi??? Where's the scandal here???

IRS??? Where's the scandal here???

Snowden??? Where's the scandal here???

I mean, let's get real here...

The Republican House of Representatives is the problem... Not Obama... You can lay just about everything that is going wrong today in the government at their feet... This shifting of blame is hypocritical and the ***Big Lie***...

That's my beef with GfinS and that's my beef with the Teapublicans...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 11:22 AM

That makes sense, too. I see much more agreement than disagreement between what GFS and Bobert are saying. Just different phrases being 'highlighted'.    I guess what it comes down to, however, is what can be done about it now? What's the best way to disseminate information about the harm Monsanto is doing, and what can a concerned public do that would be most effective?

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: sciencegeek
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 11:50 AM

Larry... the best way to discuss an issue is to do just that... discuss the issue... not scream or squabble or whatever else... that really turns off people and more importantly - discussion.

who wants to go through a hundred or more posts of political bickering that has little or nothing much to do with understanding the facts of an issue??!!?? Political "facts" about legislation DOES NOT address the physical reality anymore than blasting back and forth about the role of the Pope and the Catholic Church explains a darn thing about astronomy and planetary orbits. It's an unpleasant distraction and the reason why gnu made the plea to take it elsewhere...

if I take a swing at the Conservative Right it is because their support of Creationism is dangerous to any hope of maintaining the integrity of scientific education in America. I say this as someone trained not just in more than just one field of science but who also obtained my teaching certification IN biology and the sciences. The Soviet Union lagged behind for decades because of their idological embrace of the Lemarckian theory of evolution... now there are some who want to even further off course.

Gulliver's Travels was not written for children... it was a satirical treatment of the idiocy going on in Great Britain at the time. And it still sums up political correctness and the glorification of irrational thinking. Just ducky, isn't it!

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: pdq
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:20 PM

"Yet most of what GFS is saying seems to make a lot of sense to me. ~ Larry The Radio Guy


That is why a few rabid attack dogs are trying (against Mudcat rules) to shut him up.

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:25 PM

Bobert, I went to cut and paste some articles that would adequately answer your questions...but we should do that on another thread, being as that would be to extensive of a thread drift..and this is more about GMO's, and how and why they are finding their way past the laws of common sense both legally and morally. So pick it up on another thread....there is a lot to share with you, if you're REALLY interested...meanwhile:

RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:28 PM

Thank you, pdq....The best way to curb corruption and deceit, is just simply shed light on it...some prefer darkness.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 13 - 12:47 PM

Yes, geek...

The embrace of un-science by the Teapublicans is standing in the way of progress on way too many fronts...

Climate deniers top my list... Now that what the real scientists predicted would happen is coming to fruition the deniers have changed their mythology to blaming it on cycles...

But back to GMOs... What we need is a NIH study of the effects of GMOs on animals... That would be a good start... I was going to suggest either the FDA or USDA but fear they have been infiltrated, like the EPA, with too many right wing ideologues who would make sure the study was screwed up...

But my concerns don't stop at just the possible ill effects of GMOs on our physiology but the other concerns I have with GMOs and Monsanto such as how Monsanto is using the courts to bust on mom 'n pop farmers... There needs to be more journalistic investigation and reporting on that aspect... Also, the negative effects on out environment... I am already concerned about the way that agri-business farms... Way too many chemicals and way too much run off...

Run off is polluting our water and killing our fish... The use of GMOs is contributing to this directly because with crops that are resistant to pesticides and herbicides these chemicals are increasingly in our streams, ponds, lakes, bays and oceans... Where is the study on that effect???

Yeah, the real scientists are still locked out as the fake ones get all the media time...

That needs to change...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 11:26 AM

Bobert: ".... I was going to suggest either the FDA or USDA but fear they have been infiltrated, like the EPA, with too many right wing ideologues who would make sure the study was screwed up..."

Oh BULLSHIT!!..You and your 'blame the Republicans' for everything the Democrats are NOT doing! This has NOTHING to do with one party or the other..except which one has the latest crony d'jour!

The problem lies in the corruptibility of both parties, and you know it!
Nobody could be that blind or stupid...except a political operative, who just doesn't care..and thinking 'their' party is the only thing in town, flawlessly pristine...Get real! As long as THAT mentality is promoted, or defended, NOTHING will get done......and isn't that what the Monsanto and like minded lobbyists are counting on?
As long as you perpetuate THAT myth, the lobbyists will simply take their corruption to the 'other' party, and then hide what they are doing behind 'ideological differences'...then we can argue, while the corrupt policies slip by, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

Wake up, Bobert....has eating too many foods made from GMO's lapsed you into a brain-dead coma?...and now your addicted???


Bobert's political practice is as.....

Don't need any political party's needles stuck in my arms, Dera Buddy!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 04:47 PM

I have friends who work for the EPA who have told me horror stories of the folks who were brought in as upper level managers under Bush and Cheney... Absolute horror stories...

FDA is no secret... More crap going on in then in your average inner city sewage treatment plant... Corrupt agency... Why do you think that Bush and the Republicans insisted that the federal government not be allowed to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharm in the prescription drug bill they muscled thru Congress???

I used to do that song back in the 60s...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 06:03 PM

Bobert: "Why do you think that Bush and the Republicans insisted that the federal government not be allowed to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharm in the prescription drug bill they muscled thru Congress???"

Ya' think it was the same reason the insurance companies helped pass a bill that the Federal Government forced everybody to buy insurance??..They call it Obamacare, just in case you haven't been caught up in the latest!


Bobert: "I used to do that song back in the 60s..."

Ya' know what?...When the 'Doors' played the Hollywood Bowl, in '68, I watched from backstage... Steppenwolf opened for them, followed by 'The Chambers Brothers'..I thought 'Steppenwolf' sounded like a loud garage band....I was very underwhelmed....BUT, I did like that particular song...it was 'risque' at the time...sorta an expose(as in Ex-poh-say), of a dealer's mind....I sort like exposing bullshit, though I wish I didn't have to, when I see it...how 'bout you?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 07:44 PM

Small world...

My band opened for the Chambers Brothers at the Mosque in Richmond, Va, in 69 or 70...

Guess that makes us cousins...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: GMOs... new thread. A must read.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jun 13 - 10:13 PM

Hey..They were TIGHT!...love to yak about it, let's find another thread...this one is for the GMO's...OK?

GfS