BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...

Subject: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 08:53 AM

Just unbelievable...

Here in North Carolina the Republicans have captured both the statehouse and the governor's mansion and, boy, are they cramming ever wacko right winged wish down our throats...

Everything on the ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Committee) menu of right wing stuff has been gobbled up by these people and signed into law (tax breaks for the rich, more regressive taxes for the working class, shut down abortion clinics, rig elections with hard-to-get voter IDs, cut money for education, etc...)

Now they are have turned their attention to the NRA's wish list so...

... guns now okay at colleges, guns okay in playgrounds and parks and...

...guns okay in bars!!!

WTF???

Oh, they say that you can't carry your gun into a bar if you plan on consuming alcohol??? Well, what the heck you going into the bar for, NC Republicans??? This is the most moronic legislation to date from these creeps and makes the rest of their moronic legislation look lame in comparison...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:19 AM

Hey Bobert, don't you know that in NC bars nothing stronger than a Shirley Temple is ever served?

At least that's what I read on the Net.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 10:32 AM

Even in the cities and towns of Ye Wilde Weste most had laws that you had to check your guns in town, and you certainly couldn't carry 'em in a saloon no matter what the movies show. If you did you were liable to be arrested or worse.

Guess we don't learn from the Past very well, do we?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:51 AM

North Carolina has some of the best music.... to distract liberals from the LONG list of whacko bills they are pushing thru this week.

Guns, abortion restrictions, state religion...etc... and voter ID laws to make sure no one can counter the other stupid laws.

Heck.. one would think it was Texas!

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:11 PM

'Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...'

Ain't the stupidest thing I ever heard, but it sure runs a close second.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:29 PM

Gonzo TeaPublican fascist assholes have succeeded in taking NC back 150 years.

They've, among other things, gutted public education, health care, voting rights, and most recently unemployment insurance - in a state with the 5th highest unemployment in the nation - reducing both the benefit AND the number of weeks the unemployed can collect. This last genius move makes them ineligible for $700 million per year in Federal aid for the unemployed.

Bobert, get the hell out of the ShitHole State while you can, buddy.

See also: www.ncjustice.org

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:32 PM

States with no restrictions on concealed guns:
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Montana (outside of city limits)
Idaho (rural areas)
New Mexico (unloaded)
Vermont
Wyoming (residents only)


Permit required (shall issue to all qualified applicants)
41 states

In essence, only the District of Columbia and American Samoa have no provision for citizen carry.


From Wiki

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:35 PM

Adding to above list, Utah is the sole "no carry" state.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: olddude
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 12:54 PM

Many states including all of those states I am licensed for (26) allow for concealed carry in a bar ... In NY the sheriff asks that you don't but it is legal. Now noone I know would carry a weapon into a bar .. ya just don't do it and it should be a law that you are not allowed to... again federal regs could fix this.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: pdq
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM

WHO IS ELIGIBLE FOR A UTAH CONCEALED FIREARM PERMIT?

Minimum requirements for a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit. Applicants must be 21 years of age (at the time the application is submitted, you can take the class prior to 21 and hold the application for up to one year) and proof the applicant is of good character. As cited in Utah Criminal Code §53-5-704(2), an applicant demonstrates good character if he/she:
(a) has not been convicted of a felony;
(b) has not been convicted of a crime of violence
(c) has not been convicted of an offense involving the use of alcohol;
(d) has not been convicted of an offense involving the use of narcotics or other controlled substances;
(e) has not been convicted of an offense involving moral turpitude;
(f) has not been convicted of an offense involving domestic violence;
(g) has not been adjudicated by a court of a state or of the United States as mentally incompetent, unless the adjudication has been withdrawn or reversed: and
(h) is qualified to purchase and possess a dangerous weapon and a handgun pursuant to Section 76-10-503 and federal law.
(i) within the last ten years, has not been adjudicated delinquent for an offense which if committed by an adult would have been a violent felony. (Juvenile offenses)
(j) within the last seven years, has not been adjudicated delinquent for an offense which if committed by an adult would have been a felony. (Juvenile offenses)

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 02:15 PM

Some of the state regulations are involved in court actions.
New Mexico barred U. S. resident aliens from carrying guns in the state, but the U. S. District Court of New Mexico struck down the prohibition. March 30, 2013.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:40 PM

Hey, look on the bright side - maybe those North Carolina gun-slinging assholes will kill each other off?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 05:05 PM

Can't we saw them loose from the rest of the continent and set 'em adrift?

(Shoulda let 'em secede when they wanted to.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 08:08 PM

I play music in several of these bars... Makes me wonder if I want to do that anymore???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:08 PM

(e) has not been convicted of an offense involving moral turpitude;

So it's okay to have been convicted of an offense involving immoral turpitude?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:14 PM

"
I play music in several of these bars... Makes me wonder if I want to do that anymore???
"

Don't wear a hoodie or carry skittles while you play an you'll be OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:25 PM

What seems the ultimate stupidity is to allow individual states to concoct different laws instead of having a country wide law that would apply to all! If the USA is to progress out of the stone age it must find a way to restrict the power of states governed by idiots!

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 01:53 AM

'If the USA is to progress out of the stone age it must find a way to restrict the power of states governed by idiots!'

So the other four states will be fine then?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 05:42 AM

The only place I've ever been where taking firearms into a bar was even conceived of as something that might happen was in Trabzon, north-east Turkey, after the collapse of the Soviet union. The booming local prostitution business was run by ex-Soviets (the Turkish word for a prostitute is "Natasha") and one the bars had a big sign over the door saying in Turkish NO ENTRY WHEN CARRYING FIREARMS (and probably the same thing in Russian) which had to be aimed at Georgian and Russian gangsters. It struck me as so bizarre I had to take a photo of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 06:07 AM

Disgusting... on everything Bobert listed. Talk about yer lack of morals.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:38 AM

I grew up in Virginia in a county that bordered North Carolina, had relatives there, spent three years in graduate school there and worked there during the summers. At that time, I thought North Carolina to be one of the south's most progressive states. But that was 50 years ago. Sad to see what has happened in that beautiful state with such wonderful people. Guess there are some who figure they have keep pace with South Carolina.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 08:53 AM

Yeah, up until 2 years ago North Carolina was the face of the New South... Then "Citizens United" allowed for outside, secret money to come into the state and the Koch brothers, who don't live here and don't own anything here, poured millions into North Carolina to buy the General Assembly and the Governor...

BTW, the above list of right wing legislation by no means is a complete list...

Charlotte has been punished for voting Democratic... It's neighboring representatives pushed thru legislation that would out right steal Charlotte's airport, which is a hub for US Air... Yup, the legislation called for the airport to be taken away from Charlotte and placed under an authority with 7 members, only 2 from Charlotte... The bill also said that the profits from the airport could be taken by surrounding counties???

This went straight to court and the Republicans knew what they had done was illegal so they hastily put together another bill last night the creates an airport authority with 13 memebers with Charlotte having 7 members...

No matter??? It's still theft of Charlotte's #1 resource...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 10:20 AM

I've seen exactly ONE person with a gun in a bar in Idaho -- unloaded, showing it off at a meeting of the local Cowboy Action Shooters groups. Nice -- old ivory grips, completely (and well!) engraved, with the engraving highlighted with gold. I'm pretty certain that it was also silver plated. He'd inherited it from his grandfather and wanted to show it off before he put it away in a safe deposit box at the bank. (It was an original Colt SAA, made long before the ban on the ivory trade.)

That's not to say that people haven't. After all, if someone is carrying any concealed weapon, how would you know?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 11:38 AM

We had a rash of small-dick-big-gun wackos infest restaurants back in Virginia after Virginia passed a law allowing them to be carried in places that sold alcohol...

Yup, the small-dick-big-gun wackos would assemble like some posse and then about 10 of them would come in with their heat right there in holsters... I recall being in one of those restaurants when they showed up... My son was about 2 years old and, frankly, it took my appetite away... I asked the manager if he was okay with them being in there... He said he wished they hadn't come in but unless the owner of the joint put up a "no guns" sign that there was nothing he could do... He was very apologetic to me as well as other folks who complained...

I asked that he box up our food and bring us a check... Many other patrons did the same...

This is just boorish, redneckism at its worse... I mean, it's like me going into your house and taking a big steaming dump in the middle of your living room... What is wrong with these people other than they have small dicks???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 12:23 PM

if someone is carrying any concealed weapon, how would you know?

We had a case here in Scotland a few years ago where somebody put a sawn-off shotgun down his pants before going into a bar. He managed to shoot himself in the thigh and nearly died of blood loss.

Memo to self: when going debt collecting wear a kilt.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 01:18 PM

A couple of years ago, I was in a grocery store (nb.ca) and I saw a guy with a shaved head, weird beard, piercings, spider web tattoo on his head and neck, big black army boots... you get the pic. Then, I saw the knife. One a them there Rambo killin knives. I saw the manager and pointed out the knife and said, "That is illegal and "someone" should call the cops. You gotta cell phone on yer belt." He shrugged. I went to the pay phone and dialed 911 and told the Yella Stripes. They wanted my name and... and... and... I said, "It's illegal and offensive. You have the info." and I hung up. When I left 30 minutes later, still no RCMP. Still pisses me off.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

In more than one western state, some women carry a small handgun in their purse. I have seen this in Texas and New Mexico and know that the practice exists in some Rocky Mt. states besides NM.

Be extra careful when you attempt a pick-up in a bar.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jul 13 - 09:29 PM

We had a long, long discussion at Library Board meetings in Kentucky (Cincinnati metro area) about permitting concealed weapons in the building. Finally, one of the Board members pointed out that unless we wanted to be cops and search everyone who came in we had no way of knowing if someone had a concealed weapon. And if they expose it, then it's no longer concealed.

Sawed-off shotguns are illegal in the US under Federal law, as I'm certain they are in Scotland. He should have shoved it down the front of his pants so when it went off he couldn't reproduce.

Anyone who carries a "Rambo" knife knows nothing about using one for work or otherwise. If it's illegal the cops should deal with it, if they don't they're failing in their duty to the public.

I might well carry a knife AND a gun -- up in the hills around here, where the critters ain't tame and 99% of whom run from you anyway. The gun is to frighten them, not to hurt them unless I have no other choice, but I've found that most animals will run from a gunshot. Them that don't, well, I don't think even a .700 H&H Express would deter them from having me for lunch. I might as well cover myself with mayonnaise, because I can't afford or would buy something like a that.

As for my knife, well, I have a Buck General I bought back in '68 to kill people -- I haven't yet and don't plan on it. It's in a sheath with a full-flap top so it would be hard to pull out quickly. It IS useful for splitting campfire wood when you use the knife as a wedge and another piece of wood as a mallet though. Only thing I ever bought with a possibly homicidal intent, but my NG unit had just been activated and we somehow KNEW we were going to 'Nam. Wouldn't buy it now, but I'm not about to get rid of it as there are too many memories tied up in it of camping and things.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 01:56 AM

Fellow residents of NC, take a listen to the podcast of Frank Stasio's "State of Things" for today, July, 26 for an excellent discussion of what the hell has happened in NC. State of Things podcast July 26, 2013

It is beyond it simply being Republicans in power, Bobert. What we have is an executive and legislative branch with little experience with governance at the State level.

I am reeling at the damage that has been wrought. I fear we are in for 10 years of this as the result of the most recent gerrymandering. I'd like to lay all the blame on the Republicans for that, but NC has often been labeled the most gerrymandered State in the Union for many years.

One of the pundits on today's show characterized the actions of the legislature, as "ready, fire, aim."

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 05:46 AM

"ready, fire, aim." I LOVE it! I shall use it. Fits perfectly in something I am writing. Sounds like there may be a song in it too.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Elmore
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 09:55 AM

I have to cross the state line from Georgia to NC to buy hard liquor at the ABC store. Should I be frightened? The town looks okay, but one never knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 10:01 AM

In this morning's "Charlotte Observer" the governor is reported of boasting of getting 20 outta 22 of his right winged bills thru the statehouse...

Winners: ALEC, NRA, Tea Party

Losers: Women, schools, the environment, Charlotte (for voting Dem they are having their airport stolen), the working poor who will pay more regressive taxes, NC's colleges, black voters, college student voters, Democrats, etc...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 12:47 PM

Like many states, the divide between the urban and small-town and rural vote is strong. In the 2012 NC House elections, four Democrats and nine Republicans were elected. In the vote for president, Obama had 49.9 and McCain 49.5 percent. In the state itself, 77 Republicans and 43 Democrats were elected to the state House of Representatives. The state Senate is Republican dominated.

The Supreme Court in a 5-4 vote disabled the Voting Rights Act by removing enforcement provisions

Because of county vote distribution, the Republicans are easily elected to the State House and can get their bills passed. The small-town and rural voters are happy and urban citizens are the losers.

I have no opinion as to how the split between the two groups of voters can be healed. but it is dangerous and both sides must find a way to cooperate in order to have a healthy country.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 01:27 PM

I don't tell the farmer what and when to plant... I don't want him telling me how to manage a city...

That's what it comes down to... The ignorant rural people seem to know what it takes to run cities??? Go figure???

Might of fact, they are so sure that can better run cities that they are in the process of trying to steal the Charlotte airport, which BTW is on land owned by Charlotte, was built by Charlotte and is the 6th busiest airport in the world... Wonder how that has come about if Charlotte doesn't know how to run an airport??? BTW, the Republican answer to why they think the deserve to steal our property is, "Because we can"... They really haven't given an answer other than to say, "We can do better"... Oh??? Like how??? Tear up the runways and plant corn???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Elmore
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 02:45 PM

Bobert: The pendulum will shift. (just not in my congressional district)

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Janie
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 03:22 PM

Well said, Q.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 03:54 PM

Bobert: The pendulum will shift.

You bet, Elmore - even furthetr to the right. Before long, NC will be back to 1830.

The rst of the Republican South will follow.

Bumber Sticker: pictute of Abe Lincoln. Text: "Its my party, and I'll cry if I want to."

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 06:50 PM

Throwing mud at the South doesn't help.

Look at the maps of vote distribution in much of the Midwest and west and the same pattern of urban vs. small town-rural division is apparent.

The voting system is designed to prevent one segment of the population from overwhelming the other, hence it may seem that too much weight is given to the small town-rural segment by the county divisions in electing representatives to the state legislatures.

To heal the schism will require the efforts of both parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 08:25 PM

Throwing mud at the South doesn't help.

Tain't mud, Q - its fact, whether you like it or not.

vide the overturning of the voting rights act by an activist, right-wing TeaPublican court.

This ain't a rural/urban thing, amigo. This is disenrfranchising minority voters, plain & simple.

The new Jim Crow in the age of "colorblindness".

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Jul 13 - 08:32 PM

In the last election here in NC the Dems won the popular vote statewide for our 13 House of Representative seats yet were awarded only 4 of the 13 seats???

Something seriously messed up here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 03:24 PM

Yeah. Gerrymandering processes are outdated.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 08:47 PM

Is it OK to have a grenade in your pocket?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 09:04 PM

Or are you just happy to see me?

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Janie
Date: 28 Jul 13 - 09:14 PM

Not yet, Kevin.

I agree with Q.

Greg F., I ask you to examine your thought processes. Your statement suggests you are as inclined to stereotyping as are those you castigate. Bobert, I wish you would do the same. There is no monolithic "White" south. And the reactionary legislation on a number of issues that have been passed by the NC legislature in the past 6 months are not measures that are exclusive to the south.

I'm guessing neither of you have taken the 30 minutes to listen to the podcast I recommended. I take no offense at that. I understand and accept that my voice is not very important or listened to on Mudcat, and certainly not very exciting. But Q is a respected and thoughtful voice. Please open your minds and consider what he is saying. He is not speaking from a political perspective, but from a sociological perspective and from a place of care and concern.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 08:01 AM

One thing that puzzles me is that if it is unconstitutional for your government to regulate bearing of arms, how can this be recnciled with any kind of limitations on what kind of arms can be borne, since by definition such restrictions are a form of regulation. Grenades, rocket launchers...

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 09:06 AM

Kevin... because the Constitution is pretty vague in its short sentence, it is interpreted by various state courts in various ways. Some of us think the short sentence should ONLY be seen as allowing citizens to 'bear arms' ONLY when acting AS a militia... but.....

It is difficult for those on the other side of the pond to realize just how strong the idea of 'states rights' is embedded in the culture here... especially in the South. Do you have many major areas where Suffolk can pass laws totally different from Kent? We have this in alcohol laws, abortion laws, voting laws, tax laws.... and the gun laws.

The problem that this thread illustrates is our bad luck in having the census that is mandated every 10 years happen just when many states voted in a bunch of Republicans... who then redrew voting districts in ways that allowed them to pack the legislatures with Tea Party conservatives, whether or not they actually had a statewide consensus. They are now using this to change laws to ensure that it will be difficult to vote them out again.
Remember when Saddam ruled Iraq with a minority party? We are seeing folks try to emulate the basics of that technique. Kinda scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 09:59 AM

There is no monolithic "White" south.

No shit. I never said there was.

the reactionary legislation on a number of issues that have been passed by the NC legislature in the past 6 months are not measures that are exclusive to the south.

No shit. I never said they were.

Janie, I ask you to examine your thought processes; particularly your propensity for junmping to conclusions and putting words in other people's mouths.

Q seems to have many of the same problems, plus he is in denial about the persistent racism in the U.S. - North AND South.

As for North Carolina, McCrory, Art Pope, and the rest of the mad dog TeaPublicans have been screwing things up at a rate that far surpasses any of the rest of the states. I did look at your podcast, but after the first few minutes of talking heads not saying much of anything I couldn't see wasting another 30 minutes.

You might benefit from looking at http://www.southernstudies.org/ , and at http://www.ncjustice.org/ and Googling "Barbara Parramore".

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 10:08 AM

You are preaching to the choir, Janie...

I know all to well that there is no monolithic white population in the South... Heck, coming from a family with a long history in the struggle for civil rights, I am proof of it...

But with an 800% increase in white supremacist groups (Southern Poverty Law Center stat) since Obama was elected it isn't unfair to examine the fact that more and more white people, mostly in the South, have taken a major step backwards... To deny that is to deny our rights as civilized people to bring this to the attention of the general population in the hopes that some will go, "Sheet fire, we ***do*** have a major problem brewing here..."...

That's exactly what the "Moral Mondays" have been about...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 12:37 PM

Greg F is a perfect example of one who uses bait and deny tactics, and removes phrases from context.

I will no longer post in below the line (below the belt) threads. The 3-4 who have no respect for facts or the opinions and sensibilities of others have flushed discussions here into a stinking cesspool. Wading through the sewage is not worth it.
Whether I will continue to contribute to lyrics or musical discussion, I have not yet decided.

Mudcat lacks any attempt at consistent rules of posting or behavior. It is a grave fault.

Subject: RE: BS: Concealed Guns Okay'd in NC Bars...
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 01:22 PM

Greg F is a perfect example of one who uses bait and deny tactics, and removes phrases from context.

Q - please supply some evidence to support this outrageous charge.

Because you choose to read into my posts things that I do not say, that is not MY fault, sir, but YOURS.

Blaming the victim, as it were - similar to you blaming Martin, perhaps?

And rather than back up your accusations or provide evidence, you take your ball and go home.

Fascinating.