BS: Worst possible taste?

Subject: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 01:58 PM

I was just looking to see what's on televsion ... History Channel: The Great Martian War 1913-1917 "A re-imagining of the first world war, if fought against aliens". It is hard to think of anything in crassly worse taste.

But no doubt some tv exec is working on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 03:05 PM

I saw the listing for the show, and quickly looked for something else to watch.

These re-imaginings appear every so often, and the idea makes me cringe.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 03:38 PM

Well, That's just what Keith is doing on the "Armistice Day" thread: re-imagining of the First World War.

And yes, it IS in the worst possible taste for him to do so.

But perhaps the History Channel show will give him some new talking points.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,musket
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 04:51 PM

I wouldn't hold your breath...

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 09:11 PM

I see your point DMcG.

It is hard to beat USA reality TV for poor taste.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 06:44 AM

How about the Gospels with a cast of zombies? Feeding the 5000 with only five sets of brainz...

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 06:54 AM

Why is there a thread called Worst possible taste next a thread called rabbit stew?

I love rabbit stew. A couple of conies stewed on the bone then taken off, similar with a partridge and a pheasant, (the partridge for the fat) and made with predominantly leek and mushroom, although carrot and onion add dimension too. Seasoned well and parsley and thyme added, thicken with bouillon and either serve as a stew with thick white bread or put a puff pastry lid on it if thick enough.

Yum.


Now, what were we talking about?

Oh yes. Here in The UK, a dramatisation consisting of arresting Gary Glitter for his paedophilia offences coinciding with reintroduction of the death penalty. It went all the way to being dragged to the scaffold. Glitter was bad enough, but the documentary dramatisation was the product of a sick mind. (Mind you, one pleasing aside was they interviewed a politician and "journalist" both well known, who are sick enough to want to reintroduce capital punishment. They used the interviews blended in with the "fiction" play. Pissed them off more than the actual programme pissed off decent people...

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 07:22 AM

Looks as though the upcoming 2-part TV drama about Lord Lucan may well be a contender.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Wesley S
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 08:58 AM

The worst possible taste is boiled peanuts. A local delicacy available at just about every gas station in Georgia.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 09:12 AM

I do not "re-imagine" WW1 on the armistice thread.
I merely say what the historians say.
Greg and Muppet believe they know much more about it than any silly historians!

HG Wells did imagine a war against aliens around that period.
Warships and artillery were pitted against the Martian tripods in Southern England.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 09:58 AM

I merely say what the historians say.

"THE historians"? Hardly.

Your six tame "historians"? Possibly.

Crap posted on the internet as opposed to historical scholarship? ABSOLUTELY!

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 10:11 AM

Yes, THE historians.
I have produced quotes and references from many.
You can find none that disagree.
Funny that Greg.

Greg, can you name just one historian whose work you are familiar with.
Just one.
Surely you can manage just one Greg dear.
You SURELY can not be THAT ignorant!
Can you Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 10:37 AM

Tell you what, this is a hell of a bar room brawl.

It has spread over a dozen threads now, and still Keith keeps staggering to you feet and saying "Let's go!"

You have to admire his tenacity.





As opposed to intellect

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:44 AM

Intellect?
I do lack the arrogance and hubris to believe I know more about History than the historians!
(and the stupidity to proclaim it in public.)

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:50 AM

Produce one historian (or seconday school teacher, perhaps) who will say that "the internet" is not a valid reference?

Fascinating. You're even more of an ignorant sod than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 12:53 PM

We don't have many rabbits in Maine; we have Showshoe Hares. We call them rabbits because they are easier to eat with the name change.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:07 PM

The internet stuff is invalid? I have used these and other sources when checking out points, perhaps I was wasting my time.

"British History Online"
The 19th C. ordinance survey maps
Victoria County History- history of the counties
Primary sources, including Journal of the House of Commons from 1547-1699 a. o.
Survey of London
etc. etc.
www.british-history.ac.uk/

Yale University Library
British History online, digital library, core of medieval and modern history of the British Isles
http://guides.library.yale.edu/19thcenturybritish

so much other

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:03 PM

And even so much more worthless bullshit, Q.

Or are you saying all internet sites are equal and equivalent?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 04:03 PM

The only site I have used is the BBC History site.
Professional and eminent historians commissioned to write it.
Any historian you want to mention Greg?
Not one?
You have nothing to contribute then.
That should stop you, and if only it would.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 04:22 PM

So, you're basing your statements a single on-line source, then Sunshine? That constitutes "all historians"?? And that popular, condensed Readers Digest version of history you equate with serious written studies?

When you were at university reading history (I assume that's what you took your degree in? - if not please correct me) you surely were exposed to the study of historiography, critical analysis of historical material, how to critique historical writing and all the rest, right?

How have you managed to forget all of that and engage in your current absurdities??

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 05:14 PM

Greg F was obviously told early in life that "attack is the best form of defence". Both here & on that other thread, he has spent his entire time belittling the qualifications and achievements of any historian cited by anyone else; but, when challenged to name one, (just a single solitary one) historian from whom his views might derive any authority, he remains curiously reticent, and just launches another predictable attack: or, rather, not even another, just the same one repeated. Can he really convince anyone? He really is rather a paltry fellow, isn't he?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 05:33 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 06:04 PM

belittling the qualifications and achievements of any historian cited by anyone else

Not in the least, ~M~. You obviously have serious difficulty with reading comprehension.

I have not belittled a single historian- however meagre their qualifications or obvious their bias.

I have belittling posters who rely on the internet alone or primarily for their information and on those who sieze on a minority historical view and demand that it be accepted as a majority view.

I have belittled those posters who claim that "all historians" hold the same views that they chosose to propound, however idiotic or ludicrous those views may be.

I have belittled those posters who have no comprehension whatsoever of historiography, proper historical method, or critical thinking.

As for "convincing anyone" certainly convincing said posters, and one delusional gent in particular, I see no point in trying.

By the way - what's YOUR view on the points under discussion and your evidence for holding that view?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 07:53 PM

More spoiled smelts.

It's a long way from re-imagined Wells.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 05:22 PM

Which particular 'points under discussion', Greg? This thread, and the other in which you appeared to me, as I said, to have been repetitively making your points without consenting to cite a solitary authority, despite denouncing & animadverting against any such which anyone else adduced (which nobody SFAICS claimed to be comprehensive, for all your saying), seem to me to have produced such a scattergun plethora or gallimaufry of "points" that I should, I admit, be at something of a loss even to endeavour to begin to address your request.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:01 PM

Try putting that in English & I'll see what I can do - I'm not fluent in Pretentious Bloviation.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Elmore
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:38 PM

Worst possible taste? No contest. Cranberries!

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:54 PM

My whole life I have immersed myself in the story of the Great War.
I know what the historians know.
The Muppet truly believes he knows more about the History of WW1 than WW1 historians do.
Such is his ego.
He actually said "Those historians should know better" !
It is beyond parody but his hubris blinds him to it.

And Greg and Jim back him up.

Greg knows absolutely nothing at all about WW1 except that all the Historians I have quoted and linked to must be wrong, because the Muppet says so.

I quote the historians, and that makes me a "fuckwit."
They talk total shit off the top of their empty heads and think they should be treated seriously.

I am so enjoying this "debate."

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 07:02 PM

I quote the historians, and that makes me a "fuckwit."

No such thing, Keith.

You were a fuckwit long before you started quoting your half-dozen pet historians.

All one need do is look at the "Christian Persecution" and several other threads to confirm this.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 12:14 AM

It's the infallible mark of a 'fuckwit', Greg, to pretend to incomprehension of such as my perfectly comprehensible last post; that sort of affectation of pig-ignorant anti-intellectualism is contemptible, and should be far beneath one of your intellectual pretensions.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 01:38 AM

Sir Max Hastings, Dr Richard Holmes, Prof Peter Hart, DR David Stephenson, Fritz Fischer, Dr Dan Todman, Dr Gary Sheffield, DR Stuaet Hallifax.
At least 8 eminent, respected historians.
But you Know more about their field of study than they do.
They should know better, like you do.
And I am a fuckwit!

Greg, can you name just one other historian whose work you are familiar with.
Just one.
Surely you can manage just one Greg dear.
You SURELY can not be THAT ignorant!
Can you Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 02:24 AM

From: Elmore - PM
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:38 PM

"Worst possible taste? No contest. Cranberries!"

Elmore, I concoct something with raw cranberries that I and others enjoy.

I call them Cranberry Snowballs. They consist of the berries rolled in frothy eggwhite and then coated with confectioners sugar, then let to get dry and crackly. It's a neat taste: sweet with a burst of tart.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 02:48 AM

What is it you people are fighting about NOW? And why is it always the same, contentious people making fools of themselves?

The Germans have a word for it, or maybe it's three words: mecker, mecker, mecker....

Cheers!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:01 AM

He started it sir!






The Germans have another word called schadenfreude. I am guilty of it now, having just read that Keith has spent a lifetime studying The Great War, as he and old men in tweeds still call it.

Spent a lifetime and learned what?

"I know what the historians know." Yes, but what have you learned from reading it?

As clever people like Joe and the blessed Michael are reading this thread, I will come out with the same pretentious crap (to preempt Keith's take on anything I post) I just posted on the armistice thread. Pretentious to quote Voltaire? Possibly. Relevant to the argument? Certainly.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."




Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom Boom

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:10 AM

I do wish you lot would confine your continuing petty, repetitive, pusillanimous WW1 squabble to the thread in which it belongs.

The wise people on Mudcat rightly tell us to ignore threads which contain such troll-like name-calling and stupidity. Problem is, the ongoing feuds between the same people get carried over from thread to thread. Every time I open a new thread, it's Elmer Fudd v. Bugs Bunny all over again - except not so funny.

Can't you see that the same dull, unoriginal, uninspiring phrases, repeated over and over again are utterly boring. It's absolutely obvious to everyone from the very beginning that not one of you is going to concede a point or change your mind or reach any common ground.

So what, in short, is the fucking point?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:32 AM

Neerrrrr. What's up Doc?

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:56 AM

Watch it, Wabbit...

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 09:15 AM

WORST POSSIBLE TASTE?

Surely a starter of JOHNATHON WOSS follwed by a main course of RUSSEL BRAND!!

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,Musket reminiscing
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 10:36 AM

Maybe, but the BEST possibly taste was Kenny Everett as Cunning Stunt.










Have you noticed, especially in the recent thread about Brand & Ross, people decried Ross for taking the piss out of people who weren't there to defend themselves, yet feel it ok to mock his speech impediment? Woss indeed.....

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 12:37 PM

some of my songs have been accused of being in bad taste....I prefer to think of them as edgy.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: GUEST,musket noting
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 03:13 PM

Of all your songs I have heard, none of them taste of celery mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Worst possible taste?
From: Elmore
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 03:24 PM

Ebbie: RE cranberries. Sounds good. I'd try (almost) anything once. Thanks, Elmore.