flouride in mains water

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:36 PM

Eliza, the most sensible post here. Age 90, having lots of sugar today and maybe a Big Mac for lunch.


Also fluoridated teeth, still have them all.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 12:33 PM

I was in New Zealand some time ago and met a lad whose teeth were the consistency of chalk. He couldn't eat nuts and was going to have them out on Government Health.

Made it easier for me to live with the fact that I need glasses.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:31 AM

Of course, Pete. One would hardly want to be distracted by the Opposite Sex while munching on crumpets with butter dripping down one's chin.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:11 AM

Are there different Crumpet Heavens for men and women?!!

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 09:02 AM

I say, steady on old girl! ;-)

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 08:30 AM

'The State' in UK is now getting cross about 'hidden sugar' in all sorts of foods, saying it's responsible for the obesity crisis. No it isn't. It's people who eat too much who are responsible for their own obesity. Now they say food companies should reduce the sugar in everything so we don't get fat. Sugar has calories as does anything else which is edible. Eat far too many spuds or slices of toast and you get the same result. I am perfectly capable of deciding what goes in my mouth, and can read a food label, not being illiterate. Soon, only lettuce, celery and tomatoes will be available on supermarket shelves. There will be chocolate dealers on street corners at the dead of night. Crisps will be delivered under discreet packaging by clandestine internet companies. Tap water will be thick with statins, aspirin, fluoride, contraceptive hormones, vitamins and iron. It will hardly be in liquid form, but a kind of gloopy soup. In fact, the State may lock us all into mouth-guards, opened once a day by an official, and suitable, approved food stuffed in. By then, thank goodness, I shall have gone on to Crumpet Heaven In The Sky.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,evesadam100
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 01:12 AM

Say Bert,I take WAFARIN daily (its rat pizen) 4mgs a day, thins my blood, stops clots in my lungs which go rotten & feel like a rabbit in my chest has red hot barbwire boots on & is doing riverdance in there, been taking it 6years & the bunny has not come back! I am still here shootin deer barbequeing venison driving the caterpillar,castrating the bulls(better steak) & I am going on 74 get yer boots on the ground son she is a great lil old world ..enjoy it its the only 1 you will get or are you keen on multiple virgins in paradise, better check the ticket guarantee , could be out of date.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,evesadam100
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 09:30 PM

Say folks it is SO good to get a site where sense dominates! the flouride thing is so silly just does not have legs just slime! N Zealand had aweful teeth in ww2 our guys were amazed to find the Italians had TEETH It was said if it had come to tooth and nail fighting the Italians would have won   as THEY HAD TEETH!! Brit gear outranged the Italian stuff was basic reason they lost out(also they were not as brainwashed as the nazi)   It was the Kiwi army dentists who brought floride to NZ 30 years on we had GREAT fangs!! But I admit we seem to have crazy polititions.   If good soldat Schweck and any one else cares to read up on the german records of horror coming out now they will understand just how horrible the ww2 actually was!!!! We have had much info kept under wraps as it is just so terrible....the nazi did not worry about adding florid/bromide they just simply killed & starved or shot HUNDREDS of hostages!... hey guys I am trying to get a rock version of    JJ Cales tune ROLL ON   a great Tulsa sound tune that really lets tricky drum work go loco as it rolls on!   [e-mail]

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:00 PM

Wasn't it President H. W. Bush who declared that now that he was President, he never wanted to eat broccoli again?

You bet! That's why we always keep broccoli in the house, just in case, and hope Dumbya is of the same opinion.

Kinda like garlic & vampires.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 11:43 AM

Wasn't it President H. W. Bush who declared that now that he was President, he never wanted to eat broccoli again?

I like broccoli, but not every day.

Maybe if GSS knew how to spell fluoride it would go down better...

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:00 PM

I'm sure the Powers That Be would add broccoli to the water supply, but it's kinda lumpy and it would clog up the pipes.

And besides, then they have to add butter and salt, and--well, you see where all this could lead. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 04:08 PM

Another high-fallacy day in the BS section, I see.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:51 PM

Add a little garlic to the water supply....

Of course salt, NaCl, contains chlorine, which is a toxic gas.... And Na, sodium, ignites when it contacts air.....

So never put salt on your food and never go swimming in the ocean....

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 03:05 PM

Well broccoli helps prevent cancer, fluoride helps prevent cavities. Just put two and two together Greg. We get one in our water supply but not the other, so the Government doesn't care if you die of cancer as long as you have good teeth.

Anyway, the issue is, that because something is good for you it is OK to add it to your water supply.

Well broccoli is good for you. I mean, never in human history has a mother said to her child, "Eat your fluoride or you don't get any dessert".

So why aren't the fluoride advocates demanding that broccoli be added to their water supply? Surely, the principle is the same.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:22 PM

the fluoride advocates will get some consolation when dying of cancer

Where'd you come up with that bullshit, Bert?

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:20 PM

Lighter: While many of the TP claim that Obama is a Muslim, none that I've heard of say he's a paid agent of Al Qaeda...

No that was Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) back in October calling John McCain an agent of Al Qaeda.

But I'd call that pretty close........

By and large, they're crazier.

No argument there. That's the Republicans' cuts to education funding of the last 30 years coming home to roost.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 02:19 PM

The anti-oxidants in broccoli help fight cancer and many other diseases.

I'm sure that the fluoride advocates will get some consolation when dying of cancer, because they will be able to say "But I have a perfect set of teeth".

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: bobad
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:27 PM

"The Government puts fluoride, which is a poison, in the water..."

The dose makes the poison - even water, at a high enough dosage, is a poison.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:19 PM

Ye gods!!

We went through this silliness fifty years ago!

Many cities have been adding fluoride to their water since then and--Wonder of Wonders!!--the world has not come to an end.

But people in general have a lot fewer cavities than they did fifty years ago.

A non-issue.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:10 PM

well said,Bert.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 01:05 PM

The Government puts fluoride, which is a poison, in the water and people rush to defend them.

When and ordinary person suggests putting broccoli, which is good for you, in the water then that suggestion is ignored.

I suspect that some of us have a deep seated desire to kowtow to those in positions of authority.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM

Perhaps I should have left out the "far, far."

While many of the TP claim that Obama is a Muslim, none that I've heard of say he's a paid agent of Al Qaeda, which would be the equivalent of the charge against Ike.

They also thought Truman and Kennedy were dangerous Commies and Red agents.

Another big difference between the small JBS and the big TP is that the JBS was at that time rejected by conservatives ranging from Nixon to Goldwater. Its political influence was almost zero. It had no measurable youth appeal.

Nor can I recall anyone being elected to Congress while claiming JBS membership, though I do seem to remember a couple of Congressmen who may have echoed minor JBS points, like the one about fluoridation.

So, Greg, if you're saying that things are just as crazy today, I'd have to say you're wrong.

By and large, they're crazier.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 10:41 AM

Since it was added to water here in The UK, children have needed less fillings and false teeth are becoming a thing of the past.

For those who moan about the nanny state, just remember that this is a country, like America, where children are force fed junk food, sweets, crisps and other life threatening shit. The least the government can do is look after their health where irresponsible chavs masquerading as parents fail.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 10:26 AM

John Birch Society, an organization to the far, far right of the Tea Party

Would that it were so. Many of the Birchers' idiocies have been wholeheartedly adopted by the TeaPublicans.

e.g. have you forgotten that the Prez is a Muslim socialist who isn't an American citizen & is waging class warfare??

And the Birchers are alive and well; check their website at www.jbs.org

Several of their headlines are:

"The Environmentalists' Myth of American Energy Shortages"

"The World Honors Nelson Mandela, a Communist Terrorist"

"Chile on Verge of Electing a Communist President "

"The Removal of God From Public Schools"

"Convince Congress to Defund ObamaCare"

Sure sounds like the Tea Party to me!

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 09:00 AM

This was a big deal in the US *fifty years ago*.

Those leading the charge against fluoridation at that time were the John Birch Society, an organization to the far, far right of the Tea Party. The Birchers believed that President Eisenhower was a Soviet agent.

You'd think that any scientific proof that fluoride was a danger would have been universally accepted by now - at least outside of the bottled water industry (whose products, BTW, often turn out to be less pristine than the tap water in big American cities like New York).

It didn't and it hasn't. Scientists and physicians are still confidently drinking the same tap water as the rest of us.

But in the past twenty years, profits to the bottled water industry have gone through the roof. And they will go higher.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 05:41 PM

Spring water pure? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


ALL have mineral content, some are unusable for animals (including humans) and vegetables.

Around Odessa, Texas, the fluoride content is high in much of the well water. Brown or mottled teeth are the result, but almost no cavities.
The cattle and jackrabbits also have good strong teeth; haven't checked the grasshoppers.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:40 PM

But Charmion, broccoli is also SO good for you that I want to force it down your throat whether you want it or not.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:36 PM

If you shift to well water, you might want to have it checked to see what might be in it besides H20.

In some areas, asbestos has been found in well water. Seattle stopped using water from one particular local river because it contained small quantities of asbestos.

Most city water has chlorine added to it to kill bacteria. Would you object to this kind of "mass medication?"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Charmion
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:36 PM

Fluoride in the water is one of several public health initiatives that people have become so familiar with that they don't appreciate their value. It's right up there with pasteurized milk == another benefit that foolish people like to decry.

I grew up in a village without "mains" water (as our overseas cousins put it), so our water came from a well. Very nice water, too, but it was liquid granite, so hard it would not produce soap suds without being chemically "softened". Unfortunately, the one mineral it apparently lacked was fluoride.

Fluoridated toothpaste came on the market in Ontario in 1962, when I was eight years old and my father was 43. In 1964, we moved to the city, where water was supplied from the Ottawa River and treated with fluoride.

My father, who had lost about half his teeth by his fortieth birthday, never lost another. My teeth were already studded with fillings, and I had several more over the next ten years. But after that, I had no more cavities, and now the only problems I have with my teeth arise from the deterioration of the old amalgam fillings, which eventually caused my back teeth to crack and break.

Young people I met at work, who had lived in fluoridated Ottawa all their lives, told me that they never had cavities, ever, despite the notoriously sugar-laden Canadian diet. They were deeply sympathetic of my repeated trips to the dentist to repair the ravages of old-style dental therapy.

Of course, back in the day, the amalgam filling was better than no tooth at all. Over the years, I have met several people who didn't have a tooth in their head by their 25th birthday -- folks who grew up in the country and never visited the dentist until adulthood. These folks considered me lucky to have a mouthful of healthy natural teeth -- as do I. Without fluoride, I would not have them.

Incidentally, dental caries and its bosom buddy gingivitis are damnably dangerous diseases, especially in people with weak immune systems. They are directly implicated in pericarditis, which is why a preventive course of antibiotics is prescribed for heart patients before they have dental work. Likewise, people waiting for heart surgery are checked for mouth infections -- cavities, abscesses and infected gums.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:17 PM

"It seems that if you expect symptoms, you just may get them."

This is known as the "nocebo" effect.

There is an elegant description of it in this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2hO4_UEe-4

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 12:02 PM

Mwahhhaa, enforced mass medication through broccolidated water!

Now I like broccoli, but 'broccolidated water' (or the water any brassica is cooked in) pongs! Pew!

Only 10% of the UK is artificially fluoridated.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:46 AM

It has been proven that broccoli is good for you. I suggest that all of our water supplies be broccolidated to reduce the risk of cancer.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:31 AM

from the link provided above:


"In March 1944, authorities in the Newburgh area of New York announced that the town's water would be fluoridated. On the day that fluoridation had been scheduled to begin, local health officials were startled to receive complaints about discolored saucepans, digestive troubles and cracked dentures. In fact, the fluoridation equipment had not been ready on time and no changes had been made to the water! But the public's imagination had already been primed. It seems that if you expect symptoms, you just may get them."

" Toxicity is always a question of dose! A mouthful of pure sodium fluoride will kill a rat, but the rodent would have to drink roughly a hundred liters of fluoridated tap water before suffering the same fate if the water had the usual fluoride concentration of 1 part per million."

The ONLY proven problem of fluoride is some discoloring of teeth when excessive amounts are used.


(As a child *I* lived in several areas with natural fluoride. I am almost 75 now, and though I have had cavities in later life, I have all but one of my teeth.)

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: selby
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:29 AM

Sat in the Dentists today in Yorkshire on the wall is a collage of how to get fluoride onto your teeth, as it is not in our water supply. I believed that all UK water had, had it added since the 60"s just shows how wrong you can be.
Keith

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:24 AM

I too dislike having my intake of food and water modified and added to by the Nanny State. It's a bit insulting to assume I'm incapable of monitoring my own health. I wouldn't choose to drink fluoride in water, but it's put in before we get the choice. I also hate having 'low fat' stuff in my face at the supermarket. 'Low fat' spreads, milk, yoghurt, and that dreadful 'word' lite. I prefer full-fat dairy products, and surely I've the right to select them? But they're quite hard to find on the shelves. And in any case, 'they' seem to change their minds daily about what we should or shouldn't be eating or drinking. The latest is that real butter and full milk are in fact good for us! I'd like fluoride to be removed from our water, and for it to be left to us to buy toothpaste etc containing it if we so wish. I have all my teeth and I'm old. If children ate less sugar and sugary stuff, I expect hey wouldn't have so many caries!

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:22 AM

Noreen that is correct, if you live in the country, meanwhile city dwellers do not have an option, they are forced to have fluoride in water.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 11:03 AM

I find the whole notion of enforced mass medication of the populous for any reason - but especially for something so insignificant when compared to *real health problems* as fecking tooth enamel - both bizarre and nanny state-ish. If I want flouride I can buy products with it in, in fact getting a toothpaste without flouride in is virtually impossible anyway.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 09:31 AM

It was the subject of much discussion before fluoridation of the UK water supply back in the '60s. Too long ago to remember much about it, but it was decided that the disadvantages were very much outweighed by the benefits.

I'd be very surprised if the subject isn't the subject of regular reviews between the water- supply companies and health authorities.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 08:02 AM

You could always draw your water from a spring.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 07:57 AM

good point Bert, Do we not have a right to say what is put in our water.
if the water is owned by a private company, what is the legal right of the consumer to object or even in the event of ill health if proven by the addition of fluoride to water, to sue the private water company

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:10 AM

Actually whether it is good for you or not is not the issue.

If you think that it is good, then feel free to consume as much as your heart desires.

Just don't force it on people who don't want it.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 06:07 AM

http://www.naturalnews.com/038217_fluoride_tap_water_side_effects.html#

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 03:28 AM

I gave my kids tablets on top of that added to our water.
We did not use fluoride toothpaste but they got a barely perceptible mottling on their teeth.
No cavities though.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 02:49 AM

http://www.ada.org/sections/advocacy/pdfs/fluoridation_statement_ten_authorities.pdf

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 02:11 AM

Fluoride makes your teeth yellow and brittle.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 14 - 01:55 AM

Another bonnet-bee. Looks like he's been hitting the poteen again.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 11:10 PM

Good Soldier, I'm afraid you're getting this particular bulletin about seventy years later than the rest of the world. When the idea of adding fluoride to drinking water to strengthen tooth enamel came along, all the conspiracy theorists in the world came crawling out from under the sink. All the same "chemtrails" and that sort of thing:   a diabolical government plot to soften your brain and make you easy to control. Guys like Songwronger and Sawzaw would have had a field day!!

My dentist puts a fluoride solution on my teeth once a year, and recommends toothpaste with fluoride added. This, despite the fact that Seattle's water is quite soft and fluoride is added. It does occur in water naturally in some areas and it was noted decades ago that people in these areas generally had fewer cavities. So—

Don Firth

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 09:10 PM

BELOW, THE, EFFING, LINE, AND, WITH, PUNCTUATION

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 09:09 PM

it was used by the nazis in the water supply of POWS to keep them placid

bullshit.

Lots of pseudoscience out there

The fluoride crazies go way beyond pseudoscience - its absolute nonsence. Schweik needs to join forces with the vaccination causes autism nutcases.

Subject: RE: flouride in mains water
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Jan 14 - 08:38 PM

Gosh, here in the States they're removing it from some cities' water because it's no longer needed. The fluoride in toothpaste and fluoride treatments at the dentists' offices have supplanted any need for it in the drinking water.

But if you don't want fluoridation you could move the Northern Ireland, where it isn't done.