BS: Scotless

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:11 AM

To all Scots: as I believe in the English nation and the United Nations, you should believe in the Scottish nation and the United Nations; please, please go it alone...

Poem 66 of 230: TO SCOTLAND, AGAIN - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/walkaboutsverse-66-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:26 AM

Thanks David....very nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:49 AM

At last, a cheery voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST,Lady ga ga
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:52 AM

Lady ga ga voting NO

A must!

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 12:07 PM

"But we can still rise now
And be the nation again" (O Flower of Scotland by Roy Williamson)

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST,Tammas
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:45 PM

Fantastic! from National Collective.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:50 AM

Anonymous Guest:

What gets paid in and what gets paid out will remain the same irrespective. The last thing in the world that the faceless unelected ones in Brussels want is open up any negotiation on EU terms and conditions with the Government of the United Kingdom. Cameron has been pressing for them since 2010 in an attempt to force reform and they, for their own reasons have managed to duck them up to date.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:07 AM

Rising, be a nation.....

Some unfortunate precedents in that jingoistic language.

I thought the vote was more to do with the two different ways of squandering thirty years of future oil revenues and how to move shipyard services to The Solent where there are more Tory voters.

I suppose once the haggis runs out you can boil the heather. Or borrow a cup of sugar from some Dutch campers.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 11:11 PM

Rumour has it that DC was very much against going to speak in Scotland until someone realised that the departing constituencies were as good as a 20% swing to the Conservatives from Labour. He'd have a comfortable majority without any need for a coalition - and he'd lose Michael Gove into the bargain. If nationality rules apply after separation as they do now (nationality falling where born unless one parent was born in rUK), Gove would be Scottish.

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Mar 14 - 05:28 AM

Gove was born in Edinburgh but adopted and raised in Aberdeen so the nationality of his parents is uncertain. He is therefor irrelevant to this discussion (and to many others, no doubt).

Subject: RE: BS: Scotless
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Mar 14 - 06:59 AM

In a way, from an English viewpoint that typifies the problem - Scotland's treating the entire thing as a Little Scotland problem. For the moment, lacking any indication of a policy in nationality from the SNP, I presume the existing definition must apply to avoid accidentally removing anyone's fundamental right to citizenship, namely that at the very least you're a citizen of where you're born and over and above that may inherit citizenship from a parent born there.
Firstly, something of the order of 20% of their nation is disenfranchised, living outland. That is likely to open any result to appeal, as the result looks to be closer than that. That may be compounded by people without Scottish citizenship having a vote by virtue of residence in Scotland. I mention Gove because he typifies the point, he thinks himself Engliah, but isn't, and could find himself unexpectedly out of a job as a result: to qualify to stand in 2015, he'd have to be a citizen of either the rUK (no), the Republic of Ireland (no) or the Commonwealth (no) as things stand. He would depend on enabling legislation being passed before the abrogation of Parliament at the end of March 2015, which is unlikely given most of that six months is non-working time and the negotiations will take more than two years.
Is it even a purely Scottish question? The decision may inadvertently affect many people elsewhere. With recovery from the recession still wobbly, the last thing rUK needs is a bunch of hotheads forcing the government to take its eyes off the task in front of it, devastating the credit of the nation as the vicissitudes of the negotiation create untold rumours. Can any decision be made outside of the Courts, and I suspect that means the International Court in The Hague, a process which could take ten years and make both countries ungovernable in the interim.