BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 11:30 AM

...and then there is this...

Enjoy!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 09:32 AM

kinda a love song:) 

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 07:43 AM

Joan Jett 

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 02:36 AM

She is TEN years old, when she sang this!

and of course, and of course, Lisa Kelly....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

Just a reminder about the Radio Ballad from 2006 about HIV / AIDS:

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/d8febuw89i6o82u/Radio_2_Ballads_-_The_Enemy_that_Lives_Within_(7_Mar_2006).mp3

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 05:25 PM

Cars and Bars

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 04:08 PM

..and let's not forget Carolyn Wonderland!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 03:29 PM

Gosh Ed....are we 'bonding'????...and even transmitting HIV..'Highly Interesting Venues'..........a different version...which I really like!!...and Anna's a cutie, as well!

...and this guy was 14 when he played this!!!

enjoy!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 02:24 PM

Cash Savage

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 01:17 PM

A good message for anyone, religious or not

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 12:41 PM

Who is to blame?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 12:24 PM

We all remember the good old days, when all the bad stuff was swept under the carpet, though bad things still happened. Weird Al captured in in this song:


The good old days

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 11:50 AM

...and 'Big Cat'...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 11:39 AM

...and then there is this one, at the other end of the spectrum...

....and this one, with a dear friend playing with them

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:02 AM

I prefer this liberal plot :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:52 AM

Gfs, Here is one I recently found and liked (as I noted my music interest is broad). The car pictured adds to the music, as some of the background sounds remind me of a poorly working car.

try this 

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 10:40 PM

Oh....well, here's a couple, one with vocals and one without....

This one is VERY double meaning-ed...
Here's one, with pretty good vocals and nice guitar work.....

This one might take you away....
'Live' instrumental, use good sound system..half hour long.... (or headphones)....

Enjoy,...(I hope)

Regards,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 09:32 PM

Gfs,
I enjoy a wide spectrum of music, and for some time, have set time aside most days to visit You Tube and other music sites, to discover new international musicians, and interesting covers of songs from the past (some much better than the original). I can't zero in on a music type I like best, as my taste is quite broad. Thats why I may seem to be on mudcat often, as I visit when listening to music.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:55 PM

What kind of music do you like?..or who, do you really like a lot?
Oh, and Biff isn't my favorite kind of music, either, but for some reason, his stuff sticks....lasts through time...must be something there..

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 07:09 PM

Interesting that you knew him, gfs. I never watched much TV during that period, so I don't recognize him from the ssows. It seems like he was a prolific writer. But, not really my "cup of music tea" in music, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 06:39 PM

Here he is introducing himself, looking back on the Smothers Brothers
You 'might' remember him....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 06:31 PM

Nice piano, though....Biff wasn't so much a singer as writer....he also was the guy writing George Carlin's skits...true story.
Met him in Venice, Calif, years ago....my brother went with his ex girlfriend...Jeez, talk about 'promiscuity'!!....but shhhh....that was before HIV/AIDS was developed!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 06:26 PM

Not very good singing, on thevlast one, gts

I wouldnt quit my day job, or expect retirement song royalities from that one
:)

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 06:19 PM

...perhaps...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

Very poor effort, GfS, I am not and never have been 'spaced out'. Is that your problem? It does seem that Steve and Musket have the right idea in that there are some who are just so far gone there is no point in even attempting to reason with them. You are getting there.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:55 PM

Good luck in your career as a fantasy fiction writer....."

Hey, I'm not the one who 'is' a Gnome.

....seemed apropos for what you seem to defend......but then....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:27 PM

Here's two for ya'...

Snap now, and avoid the rush........."Ain't No Great Day"

....and this one....

'Enjoy!'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:18 PM

Sorry, GfS. He didn't change his mind. He is just mentally unhinged. Rather like a lot of posters on here. As to your assumptions about my politics and outlook on life. Well, you cannot be further from the truth but that only goes to show how wrong you can be. Good luck in your career as a fantasy fiction writer but George Martin still has the edge.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:55 PM

Good old songs, gfs. It s hard to not like good music, regardless of the period it came from.(I recall a song I liked quite a few years ago, then I learned it was from a movie and the song was about a rat).:)

Here is one if hope:
some peolle change 

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:27 PM

Akenaton: "Civil discussion and some real ideas, with no political overtones....well done."

Oh, what's in a name??????

Warmest Regards,

Guest from SANITY

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:23 PM

I can go with that!

Ed T: "To be clearer GfS, young people engaging in unprotected sex is a clearly a major concern for HIV transmission and increased infections."

Here, Ed, for your enjoyment.....listen ALL the way....

and then....Remember this one?

Regards, Ed!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:13 PM

"Is there such a thing as 'EX-homo homophobia'???..or just 'hetrophobia'??"

Possibly when one is cured if either, they just begin to seem normal, like most other folks.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:08 PM

.....or just culture shock, from emerging from bullshit propaganda??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:07 PM

Is there such a thing as 'EX-homo homophobia'???..or just 'hetrophobia'??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 11:55 AM

Dave, It sounds to me that someone whose whole life's outlook, radically changed, from a liberal, homosexual owner/editor of a pro homosexual advocacy publication. to being a conservative, EX-homosexual, and even alludes that 'God' had something to do with it, just rankles your 'so-called liberal' nerves....and the thought of a 'conservative' site carrying the story, just makes it boil your 'erroneous zones'....so, try this!....or even the New York Times

Imagine that!...you get to learn something new every day, on good Ol' Mudcat!

I imagine that the thought of 'one of ours' turning around short-circuits some programmed propaganda 'liberal' nonsense!

BTW, I can't vouch for his politics, or religion, however you said, ""I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."".....well believe it, Buddy!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:26 AM

My reason to provide the last link is to add visiters to countries having sex to the transmission route "soup" (bringg it there, or bringing it home).

Additionally, there is a false belief that oral sex is not a transmission route, especially among the young.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:17 AM

fact sheet from Singapore 

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:01 AM

To be clearer gfs, young people engaging in unprotected sex is a clearly a major concern for HIV transmission and increased infections.

I would expect increased access to birth control at an early age is another factor, as it removes the fear of pregnancy - which may have provided some degree of caution. I have read that the lack of information on HIV among the young (such as ignorance about the various routes of transmission, and a mistaken belief there is a quick cure) is a significant concern.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 07:35 AM

Gts,
As to teen age pregnancy, I suspect there may be a variety of scenarios in play, for example where there may be only two young people involved in the sex acts (not permiscuous).

This may be "risky" for the liklihood of pregnancy, (and, surely a social and moral matter) but, not necessarily risky for HIV infection. That would be another matter outside the discussion. However, if a high number involves "sleeping around" with many partners, well yes, it would be a factor. I just have not seen the factual figures to say it is so.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:06 AM

That was a nasty trick, GfS - Pointing us innocent folk to "Conservapeadia - The Trustworthy Encyclopaedia". I was nearly sick. Fortunately the complete cobblers in there is so transparent it is laughable but I will warn other readers that pressing that link will lead you to the sort of right wing tripe that really can affect your mental wellbeing. No wonder some of the posters on here are completely bonkers. However, I have put my safety on the line for you all and read it. I will summarise it with one quote from the article

The radical change and transformation in his life, Glatze recalls, began after he started to question his homosexual lifestyle following a health scare and with inner "promptings" that he now attributes to God.

Need I say more?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 03:58 AM

Ed and GfS, the best section of the thread by a mile.

Civil discussion and some real ideas, with no political overtones....well done.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 10:43 PM

DtG: "I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."

I'm not the one to offer that kind of 're-orientation'....that is NOT my expertise....So, click the link, read the article, and contact this guy, to learn more....IF you really are interested in finding out.
That's fair, huh?

Ed T: "For example, though it may be the case in some situations, rising younger teen-aged pregnancy rates does not necessarily (directly) equate to risky sexual behavior with potentially impacted individuals that increases transmission rates. If it did, I would like to see the reports that say it is so."

How can you NOT equate younger teenage pregnancy rates with risky sexual behavior???
Somebody got pregnant didn't they??...and chances of that couple raising the child together are pretty slim, don't you think? In these cases, perhaps instead of coddling the 'feelings' of the 'horny' how about considering the lasting consequences of their actions?
Just a thought....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 06:35 PM

How about bisexuals???...Oh yeah, I forgot, 'It's all about 'love'.
Whether you believe it or not, has no bearing on the fact, that some homosexuals DECIDED to change their mind....Hey, do you think that bisexuality is 'genetic' too?....or just schizophrenia??


GfS - I have never said it is all about love and I have never said homosexuality is genetic. Why suggest I did unless you are really struggling to come up with any compelling argument? I did say that homosexuals are just as capable of love as heterosexuals are. Do you not believe that to be so? I also said that homosexuality is not a choice. That has nothing whatsoever to do with genetics. I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided (in upper case or not) to change their minds. I do believe that some have got that sick of the prejudice shown against them that they have wished they were heterosexual. But they never will be. No, I do not believe bisexuality is schizophrenia or any other sort of illness. Do you?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 05:26 PM

Gfs, possibly so, but, there is little liklihood of changes in some of the areas you mention, that would halt or reduce infection rates.. Even if there were changes, I suspect the pandoras box has been opened and the resulting social/moral/sexual attitude changes are embedded in much of society. Rarely have attempts to "turn back the moral clock" been effective, except in very repressive states.

Yes, bisexual activities was and is a cross sexual transmission route. But, since HIV is present in both homo and hertero groups, this would not be the only route of transmission/infection (there would be various other routes). I have not seen factual information, only speculation, on where it would factor in transmission. There are different infection routes in various locations. Additionally, I have not seen any facual information on historic infection rates in the global community.

While moral attitudes toward sexual activity have changed since the 50s, I have not seen factual informatin on how the individual changes directly impacted HIV infections (by nation), if it exists.I suspect it would be problematic to arrive at any firm conclusion. For examle, though it may be the case in some situations, rising younger teen-aged pregnacy rates does not necessarily (directly) equate to risky sexual behaviour with potentially impacted individuals that increases tranmission rates. If it did, I would like to see the reports that say it is so.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 03:48 PM

Ed: ".I seem to recall, you indicated HIV is not a "homosexual" disease, as it impacts homo and hertro communities -though in different proportional rates in your locale, and that promiscuity in both communities is a major factor in transmission. Would that be accurate?)."

Close...however it should be noted, that 'bisexuality' is the MAJOR cause of HIV entering into the hetero world...and bisexuality is in fact, promiscuity as well...I believe that you'd concur..
As to your question, in our permissive society, through the media, whether it be written or movies, permissiveness and promiscuity have been glamorized(as well as murder and other 'misdeeds'), and through political promotion, our permissiveness has reached chaotic proportions. In 1960, 5% of births were to single parents out of wedlock...today, it is 40%. Gangs have replaced family units, where there are no fathers present..(sorta like an urban 'Lord of the Flies'). Politicians LOVE to talk about 'order'...but are permissive, and even subsidize, and pander to single mothers, making the broken home commonplace.
Hey, before we go on much further, would you agree to that?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 02:55 PM

Good, I had a feeling you had no bad intents, but had to ask, to be sure.

A good wish list, gfs. However, In reality, significant change in society like you indicate is unlikely to occur in our lifetime (locally or globaly), even if there were broad support for such (which I suspect there is not).

(On your other point, regardless if homosexuality is based on genetic make up, or not, it is a reality, and is refected in many species and is not the sole factor in global infection/transmission.I seem to recall, you indicated HIV is not a "homosexual" disease, as it impacts homo and hertro communities -though in different proportional rates in your locale, and that promiscuity in both communities is a major factor in transmission. Would that be accurate?).

So, based on all that, what would be an effective back up plan you might have in mind, to reduce infection/transmission, locally and globally in the shorter term?

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 02:42 PM

Correction(typo):
"...as any child from a broken home due to it."

Should read: "asK any child from a broken home due to it."

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 02:36 PM

Ed, No, it was not an insult...and I thought you'd see through that, and THINK it through.
That being said, and as YOUR link of the latest Stanford study noted, homosexuality is NOT 'genetic'...so perhaps people should stop relating to it as if it were, and be more rational and realistic.
To add to that, I'm one who believes, and is supported by history, that suppression does not work..never has...so, in light of that, I believe that people should take personal responsibility for their sexual acts..and that means NOT recklessly exposing other people to STD's and fatal diseases, hetero or homo, and calling it 'love', just to get their rocks off. Keep in mind, that the over emphasis and exploitation of the 'fun' of having sex does NOT take away from the fact, that reproduction is the main and primary function of the REPRODUCTION SYSTEM. 'Romance', variations, fantasies, 'perversions' or not, are all bi-products of the 'mating dance'. Promiscuity has split many family units, brought diseases, both physical, mental and emotional, and in fact, SHOULD be discouraged. Lifestyles that promote promiscuity, or for that fact, even tolerate it should NOT be embraced, glorified, exploited or pursued....as any child from a broken home due to it. But we, as adults(physically), find it so easy to disregard all of that for 7 seconds(average time of an orgasm) and put ourselves, our spouses, our children, and the health of others, at risk for that climax of 7 seconds! Does that sound responsible to you? Seems to me, that if that is the 'high point' of the human experience, then maybe those people are worshiping at the wrong altar!
It is a personal decision that comes from within....and is of higher values....and promiscuity IS the leading cause of the transmission of HIV/AIDS, and STD's! WHY in the world, do people who claim to have society's best interests and heart continue to look the other way??
HINT: Because they're full of shit!
Fair enough?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 01:04 PM

Oops, sent before completing:


I suspect .we are all "bright" gfs. I will trust that was not intended as an insult?

Regardless, my point, which did not seem apparent to you, was we (and, health agencies) have no direct control over anyones sexual behaviour permiscious of not

So, what does it matter, when it it comes to developing workable avenues to reduce transmission, on a global basis?

Statistics indicate that a high percentage of the young, and even those we dont suspect of non, on a global basis? Statistics indicate that a high percentage of the young, and even those we dont suspect of non-monogomous activities stray, often on a frequent basis. Additionally, in todays global commhnity, what occurs in one nation, could easily impact another. Focousing only on local conditions in isolation (and, infection and transmission route statistics), IMO is not a wise course for health agencies to follow. As a guest noted, HIV is a global pandemic, not a local epidemic.

Subject: RE: BS: Discussion of HIV transmission.
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 12:52 PM

I suspect .we are all "bright" gfs. I will trust that was not intended as an insult?

Regardless, my point, which did not seem apparent to you, was we (nod health agencies) have no direct control over anyones sexual behaviour permiscious of not. So, what does it matter, when it it comes to developing workable avenues to reduce transmission, on a global basis? Statistics indicate that a high percentage of the young, and even those we dont suspect of non