BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,RB
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:57 PM

2 toke shit ?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:51 PM

Oops.

Oops.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:50 PM

Keep in mind it behaves for many people as an analgesic. The problem with pain is that it's your body's way of telling you something ain't right, so getting rid of it completely is a bad idea. Most narcotic drugs have side effects that are less desirable than the pains they mask.

I have not found that to be the case with grass. But there are things of which one should be aware.

If the grass as been treated with chemicals or other drugs it can be very unhealthy for you. So know thy dealer.

Don't talk about it because the government and news media has so demonized the substance that you'd be better off telling your neighbors and friends that you have joined the Church of Satan.

Most people who smoke don't want to talk about how good or bad the grass is. Think about it. You're with five people who smoke. One guy has to embellish on profound things he thought of while under the influence, cleverly disguised as new-to-the-speaker revelations: peanut butter sticks to the roof of the mouth; jujubes sure are good; why anchovies on pizza or icecream?; is this what they meant by the term recreational therapy?, and the latest discovery that 'wow' is darned near an acceptable answer for almost any remark or question.

You know not to drink and drive. Same holds true for grass. But think about that advice from people, mostly government people: yep, I just had two tokes of one toke shit and what I want to do most is operate heavy machinery, juggle with Aunt Mehitabel's crystal glasswear, finally figure out why the chain saw doesn't start first time every time, pet the pitbull who's been giving me dirty looks for weeks--government authorities call these irresponsible choices. Most smokers I know call then stupid ideas and please pass the strawberry jam which would go well with this peanut butter, banana and lettuce sandwich.

I mentioned earlier that smoking is not for everyone (my smoker friends told me all this stuff, btw), and it isn't. Don't smoke bad grass. And do look up the movie "Reefer Madness" because it just about sums up what most people know about the drug today. (Basically, government has swung so far trying to use fear and questionable facts that they have little credibility left.

Reefer Madness in on Youtube at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_jGAC77Tpg

It's worth a close look. It's also quite funny.

Last time I watched it in a movie theatre it was difficult to see the screen. Very hazy in the room.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:23 PM

There are loads of active (but not psychoactive) ingredients in pot besides THC. Strains are bred to boost different ingredients for different ailments. Some don't even get you high, but they are beneficent medicine.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 05:02 PM

Excellent commentary guest.

I sincerely hope there is a concerted effort among the medical community and Health Canada to gather 'performance evaluations' of all aspects of this endeavour (grand experiment?). Indeed, the newspaper articles quote experts from the government and Big Pot saying there will be a tremendous increase in the number of prescriptions. We are talking in the hundreds of thousands. I read the Health Canada info for MDs (here) but only on a speed- read basis. Many studies abound from various countries but the sheer volume of it precludes me doing little more than trusting Health Canada, Medicos and researchers.

On the surface, it seems that my ailment(s) might benefit from medipot but I am going to need convincing over time by both positive 'performance evaluations' as mentioned above and patient testimony. As an example, I read as much as I could find about the medications proposed by my arthritis specialist doc, discussed in detail the procedures involved in monitoring their use and then asked the doc what the prognoses were if I didn't use them. He said, increasing pain and mobility degradation and ten years off my life. I slept on it and respectfully declined treatment. So, I am going to investigate weed over at least the next several months and hope it is something that may be a help.

Last toke I had was in April, 1980 at the convocation bash. Didn't have arthritis back then so I have no personal knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

When I lived in Wichita. the 'toke of desperation' was "Kansas City sore-throat" harvested wild from river banks. I had VERY few experiences to judge by... but one party had both 'electric' and 'acoustic' brownies. I had the good stuff before I grokked the difference.

One musician I knew grew his own, called "Benton silo" after the town and the growing situation. It was treated like old brandy by the locals... passed around on special occasions with reverent whispers. I never was offered any. The one and only time I ever partook openly was at the Smithsonian Folk Festival in 1973? I think.... people were passing it up & down the rows, while mounted D.C. cops rode past, ignoring the fragrant clouds.

Medical? I dunno... never needed it myself, but keeping the thread up to the top...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:42 PM

"There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers."

You believe correctly and no, it ain't.

Ever since amateur botanists were inspired by the work of Gregor Mendel, the THC content of marijuana has skyrocketed as it were. I suppose Madison Avenue could spin it so that color, hue, odor or lack of, affect the prices people would pay for what I will henceforth call grass becouse marijuana is a pain in the butt to type. But yer basic toker is interested in levels that have been described with precise scientific meanings:

Ranks up there with oregano (very bad)
Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Expressions evolve and come to have meaning within the 'community' of grass smokers, wherever they may be:

One toke shit--which is often dependent for meaning on who says it but if said by a conizur--like wine conizures but different--carries more weight than if said by Shane in Blind River for example

Two toke shit--still good but not primo

Three toke shit--bake with it

Levels of THC in grass have risen in the past fifty/sixty years if the stuff my friends tell me has any truth to it. As a kid the top of the line stuff was Panama Red or Acaupolco Gold (just had to say it, not spell it) which was about 6% THC. Fast forward to these days and the percentage of THC has quadrupled. Using THC for pain management means taking what is 'right' for you and the condition you wish to ameliorate. People are different. However, I see little evidence of 'drug culture' associated with grass other than the aspect brought to it by governments.

There is a concern with which I agree: do not operate heavy machinery while under the influence. If I smoked I would adhere to that warning. For example, a friend told me that he almost starved to death because he didn't want to handle the silver fork to eat the Sara Lee Double Chocolate Pound Cake or something like that.

The misinformation that has been generated to do with grass is massive. Much of it is misinformation. Maybe the 'right' people aren't making a buck off it.

Is grass for everyone? Of course not. My very own mother may she rest in peace split a joint with a girl friend of hers back in 1970 or so. The story I heard was that the sent my brother off to get cigarettes and they ordered two barbecue chickens with all the trimmings from one of Montreal's best restaurants for that sort of thing: St Hubert. An hour later when he returned there was nothing left of the home delivery but chicken bones, clean chicken bones, sparkling clean chicken bones. My dear old mother may she rest in peace weighed 105 pounds when she was carrying a ten-pond bag of potatoes. She claimed the only effect grass had on her was that she got hungry. Her friend was finishing a one-quart strawberry milkshake and her answer was too garbled to print here. Well, maybe not. She said, "Bosherds drub glaxxaw bracklerst."

I find there usually isn't much point talking about it because most people don't want to hear about it. We cannot trust our governments on the issue, they having been complicit in spreading so much false information about it to begin with.

The red herring about needing to control THC content: Why? I know seasoned smokers who take a toke, wait two minutes and assess the situation. If they have forgot about the situation by then, well bingo, that's one toke shit and they don't take any after that. Someone with a higher tolerance might take another but you roll his body out of the way and if you're real nice put a pillow under his head.

From what I know it works for many people who have stresses caused by illness, pain caused by illness, etc. Hell, I recall that acupuncture was one step removed from voodoo only sixty years ago. I don't think they are bad people, and even if I did it's none of my business anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:39 AM

It is my understanding that producing a "consistent level" is like controlling a specific pattern in cat fur. Pot is not refined in an assembly line like chocolate or Scotch... it's just bred to a basic, approximate level and 'flavor'. There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers.

Perhaps someone who knows more can clarify...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:47 AM

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment.
Why the need for different levels of TCH content? If it's produced with a consistent level of TCH then adjusting the quantity will adjust the dose.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:47 AM

Scotland has free prescriptions so I wouldn't have to pay for it but I REALLY hope I never get a condition that needs that stuff. I find it less fun than Largactil.

Subject: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:22 AM

As Canada moves toward setting up a 'medical marijuana' farming/distribution system which will be heavily and strictly regulated (regulated = taxed), the contentious issue most important for me is that ill people will have to pay big $ (estimated to be $28k/y) whereas they were growing their own for near free. I understand the reasoning and I see an easy solution regarding cost to the patient but my purpose herein is to gather information from people who actually use medipot for ailments.

Have any readers used 'medipot' under prescription? For what ailments? Did it work for you? If you know personally anyone to which these questions apply and you know the answers, by all means, comment as/if appropriate.

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment. My question regarding this aspect of medipot is simply… does it impair your ability to perform everyday tasks? Additionally, if it does affect any tasks, are you able to 'manage' dosage to circumvent any such problems. Does such management include amount; time of day; others?

Essentially, my curiosity boils down to: Does it work and, if so, for what ailments? Does it make ya loopy?