BS: How to overcome *ism...

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 03:53 PM

(I have not paid any attention to Jack the Sailor for quite some time.)

You are gaining my respect more and more by the day.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 10:23 AM

A few piss artists if that counts?

My mum used to tell me to steer clear of saxophonists.

Professionalism commands professional rates. Here, I'm happy to rant without charging for the benefit.

Actually, there are a number of scientists. A bit of a bugger to see them trying to ply their trade against pig ignorance though. I'm no expert on 99.9999998% of matters but on the few where I can give an informed view, the prejudge and hate merchants sneer and reiterate subjective data they don't know how to interpret.

Thinking on, Mudcat is a bit like reality, except you don't have to stare at their ugly mugs.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 08:41 AM

Nice one, mayomick :-) There are plenty of apologists and, to keep coming back, I guess I must be a masochist! I didn't realise that I would be creating a schism though...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 08:25 AM

Are there no artists on mudcat, no scientists , no saxophonists , nobody who believes in professionalism?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Stu
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 07:37 AM

"Followers of football (those from the colonies call it "soccer" although the correct name is "association football") are all morons. "

Thanks Rich. You know me so well.

Mind you, I'm sort of absolved by the fact as a lifelong Aston Villa fan at present every time I'm watching them I'm not really watching football as such, but a sort of mummer's farce parading played out by an increasingly confused and disparate group of people with little common interest and little sense of obligation to actually try to win a game.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 05:34 AM

Steve, I see Delia quite a bit around Norwich. She goes to Mass in St John's, where I too sometimes attend, in an ecumenical way.
I've always liked the Reds, and I'm secretly glad that they're right up there once more!
'Followers of football are all morons.' That's quite a sweeping 'ism' Richard. I'm quite prepared to class myself as a moron compared to some very erudite folk I know, but not solely because I enjoy football.
Stereotyping is a trap we can all fall into. God forgive me, I feel very 'ismist' about Romanians and other E Europeans pouring into the UK, a kind of wicked Nationalism. But God has recently put me right and thoroughly smacked my bottom. We came across a poor chap making a sculpture of a dog out of sand in the centre of Norwich. I was fascinated and spoke to him. It turned out he was Romanian, and he stood there in a cold wind with hunger and despair in his eyes. I felt tremendous pity and respect for him, and handed him a tenner (which had been meant to get us some lunch!) This was guilt-money for my prejudice 'ism', and I will sincerely try to get these ideas out of my head in future. One has to be on one's guard against nastiness like mine.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 05:34 AM

Something missing from their lives ism.

I tried to put sad ism but it came out as sadism. I suppose you have to have something to do on a Saturday afternoon whilst the rest of us are having a fulfilling experience, the highs, lows and even lowers for that matter....





Here, Bridge. Do you still drive a dodgy estate?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Toolter who can't be arsed to login on his i
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 05:25 AM

I am sure there is an ism for strange people who are incapable of enjoying or even understanding the joys of football but three in one post? That would be a bridge too far.

How about "sensiblism" or just plain sensible and forget the "ism" bit?

Boom! boom!

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 05:06 AM

That's a remarkable extrapolation to ny simple (and true) statement that you use "twat" quite a lot, Steve. Nothing to do with anything I said.

(I have not paid any attention to Jack the Sailor for quite some time.)

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 03:38 AM

Ideologist?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 01:25 AM

YES !!

Back of the net!

I said dodgy estate. Bridge read it as council estate. Now who needs to demonstrate egalitarianism?

When I was at school, there was a new estate built where the aspirants went to live. We called it the dodgy estate because some of the kids thought they were better than us. I remember when I started earning and said the money was good but not good enough for the dodgy estate, my mate summed it up as "new car on the drive but no snap in the pantry. "

Inverse elitism.

Two isms for the price of one there.

I am sure there is an ism for strange people who are incapable of enjoying or even understanding the joys of football but three in one post? That would be a bridge too far.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:06 PM

I'm rather fond of Norwich, as I have all Delia's cookery books and regard her as something of a Messiah-ess. Indeed, I shall be doing her pork chops in cream and mushrooms this very weekend. I wish Norwich all the best, though the Liverpool game is one I wouldn't really be wanting them to win. Let's hope it's a good 'un!

By the way, Keith, keep trying, but, if you can manage it, simultaneously piss off.

By the way, Snail, I have always regarded "twat" as a term of endearment. Sorry you never saw it that way. It's bit like those shackledraggers - oops, Aussies - who affectionately greet their mates with "hey, g'day, long time no see, you old bastard!" If you really regard "twat" as being in the same league as the f-word (okay, fuck) or the c-word (okay, cunt), then you really need to get out more. Or come out of your shell. And congratulations for being the first person in tens of thousands of my internet posts to get me to type those two words, though you'll note I only did it Guardian-style, a paper which, to its eternal credit, refuses to print such stupidities as "f*ck" or "c*nt". That said, you won't see me typing them ever again. Now if you really don't like bad language, I suggest you turn your attentions to Wacko, lest I conclude that any enemy of your enemy must be your friend. Respectfully yours.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:55 PM

Followers of football (those from the colonies call it "soccer" although the correct name is "association football") are all morons.

Musket - 7.38 am Mudcat time - wholly wrong. The council estate kids would ambush the clever children on the way home and beat them up while pretending that ignorance was good.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 05:11 PM

Guitarist is an exception. Banjoist isn't :-P

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 04:58 PM

"Both senses {ism and ist}tend to conjure up a certain kind of pejorative instinct. That's the beauty of English."

How do you know that there are no guitarists following this thread, Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 02:27 PM

Hello there Patsy! Nice to hear from you again!

I've always been quite keen on Norwich City, our Canaries. And when we 'went up' everybody was so overjoyed. My husband shot off to their store and got all the gear. But he's laughing about Liverpool coming here on Sunday, he's says it'll be a massacre.
I don't fancy the World Cup either. I like the African Cup. But like you, I feel footie has gone down a bit in excitement and it seems a bit pedestrian at the moment.

Sorry everyone else about this v naughty thread drift. Perhaps I'm guilty of Driftism.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 02:11 PM

Eliza

I have given up on footballism entirely and I feel the same way about Manchester City! It's not my local team but I was so hopeful for them at one point, in fact football for me has been one big let down of late.

For once I am actually dreading the World Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 01:14 PM

Thread drift:-

I believe Liverpool are coming here to play Norwich. Oh Lord! We're only a step away from relegation and we have to face The Reds. Predicted score (as we've hardly won anything this season and our manager has been kicked out at this late stage) 10-0, and down we go. My husband's in despair. He's going to give all his Norwich City strips to his African family when he visits them in August.

Right. Sorry to interrupt the heated discussion. Please continue...

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: TheSnail
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 12:07 PM

Steve Shaw
even though I don't use *that* word

You use "twat" quite a lot though.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 08:11 AM

Thatcher dead.
Ferguson retired with an Everton has been sat at his desk.
Liverpool heading for the league title.


Somewhere in Murkeyside, there's a scouser with a lamp and no wishes left.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 08:10 AM

What do you call lying Steve?
It is my opinion that you are among the worst offenders.
That is true. It really is.
It is my opinion that Mick's post corroborates that.
That is also true.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 08:00 AM

He did not say you were the worst and nor did I.
Among the worst I said.

He certainly singled you out on his thread about obstreperous pricks.
No-one else was criticised anything like that.
I have been following his posts for nearly twenty years and I have never seen him rail against anyone like that.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:53 AM

We'll have less of that scousist attitude if you don't mind.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:50 AM

I know, but some, when suitably exasperated, would call it lying. Liverpool are doing far too well at the moment for me to feel exasperated about anything, which is why I didn't actually call the poor fellow a liar. Go, Stevie G!

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:38 AM

I know Dave tried in all humility to start a serious post.

However, once the school bell rings for playtime, the kids from the dodgy estate come into the playground and try to impress us by saying how good they are.

I wouldn't necessarily call it lying Steve, but in the spirit of the thread, it is certainly thick cuntism.

Lying means you understand what you say.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:23 AM

Well, Keith, you quote Big Mick's somewhat ironic, uncomplimentary and red mist-induced rant in support of your claim that he shares your opinion that I'm "the worst offender" (even though I don't use *that* word, the supposed source of offence). Well here it is again:

"And by the way, you post nasty, belittling shit in an arrogant manner, then you whine about being stalked. No one is stalking you, they are responding to your obnoxious attitude. My guess is you lose friends in the 3D world due to that attitude. Buck up lad, put your big boy pants on and quit whining. Either that or spend some time in reflection on why you are received poorly by decent folks trying to engage in constructive discourse"

So, Keith,(he asks with puzzled expression and knitted brow), where exactly is the bit that says I'm "the worst offender"? Not there, is it? Keith, this is what you do all the time. You finesse the evidence to fit your preconceptions, then you dig yourself hopelessly in. Some would call it lying.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:05 AM

Steve Shaw
It is a tendency which I do not subscribe to and which I don't care for, though I'm not above a bit of name-calling when it's deserved.

Ya gorra larf.

Yes, injecting humour into one's posts can be a risk, but I do try.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:55 AM

I would not say I revere historians, but I believe them over you on matters of History.

You might persuade pork to believe you know more, but not anything capable of thought.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:18 AM

I'd go further Dave. It's those who get to write the history of the battle....



Not to mention those who revere the historian.





Keith. I said I have stopped trying to educate pork, and I meant it.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: TheSnail
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:14 AM

Steve Shaw
It is a tendency which I do not subscribe to and which I don't care for, though I'm not above a bit of name-calling when it's deserved.

Ya gorra larf.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 05:50 AM

Keith - Honestly not singling you out for special attention but I do find it ironic that the last statement of your first post on this thread says "I doubt there will be any battles."

As I think I have said before. Never mind who started the battle. It is the one who finishes it that plays the most important part. Or some such :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 05:39 AM

The worm, Keith A Hole of Hertford, Goofus. They roam the 'cat, looking for other gangs,

The overwhelming majority of my posting in recent months has been to threads about WW1, Israel, and Ireland.
GFS and Akenaton did not contribute so that is just another empty accusation.

Why will you never just respond to what I actually post?
Because my posts contain nothing you can challenge.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 04:45 AM

Big Mick, "And by the way, you post nasty, belittling shit in an arrogant manner, then you whine about being stalked. No one is stalking you, they are responding to your obnoxious attitude. My guess is you lose friends in the 3D world due to that attitude. Buck up lad, put your big boy pants on and quit whining. Either that or spend some time in reflection on why you are received poorly by decent folks trying to engage in constructive discourse"

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 02:34 AM

If Steve wants the title worst offender he is going to have to fight for it.

And fight dirty.

After all, we appear to have a gang on these threads etc etc. They even have gang names to make them look cool. The worm, Keith A Hole of Hertford, Goofus. They roam the 'cat, looking for other gangs, mainly those in their (in)fertile imagination and find every opportunity to have a pop cos the other gangs have found out that their mums let them out in last week's underwear and taunt them about it in class.

How to overcome isms? I reckon they are an instinctive survival trait. Just that some if us are better than others in keeping them to ourselves and not using them to judge others. Especially others who just happen to have been born and have had no impact on other people who happen to have opinions about them and their lifestyle.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 07:13 PM

"Why did I leave Mudcat?"

I never noticed you leaving, as you were replaced by a dozen, or more, other posters by the same name, Mr. or Ms. Guest ;)

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 06:35 PM

Steve....Keith said, "about the worst offender"....and I believe those were Micks words.

Quote, please.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 05:58 PM

When did the thread become the battlefield? Answers in a plain brown envelope...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 05:52 PM

Steve....Keith said, "about the worst offender"....and I believe those were Micks words.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:39 PM

Keith, darling: That was Big Mick's view too.

Big Mick does appear to have taken against me somewhat (his problem, as he has abundantly revealed, as with the now-silent SRS, but hey).

But Big Mick has not, to date, posted to this forum that it is his view that I am "the worst offender". Yet you told us all here that this was Big Mick's view. Now this may well be Big Mick's view (how would we know, as, so far, he hasn't stated it thus?), so, either Big Mick has told you in a private communication that it is his view that I'm the worst offender, or you are a liar. Which is it, Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:31 PM

Why did I leave Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:20 PM

Jim stated I had said things I never had.

You lied about an atrocity in Nigeria that never happened.
You also claimed to have downloaded a quote that Google could not find except for your post.
You claimed it came from a National Council of Mosques website when there is no such thing.

I do not lie and can not understand why you two do it.
If I have made a mistake about anything please be specific about it and I will of course correct it at once.

Confident prediction-you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 04:10 PM

True, Michael. I think you may find that atheist is used in a pejorative manner in certain circles, but I do understand what you mean.

Cheers

DtG

PS - What did I say about battlefields?

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Musket
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 01:31 PM

Excellent Keith.

"I only call etc etc"

Your track record makes that about the most brazen terminological inexactitude you have come out with yet!

Funny, you call me a liar yet I have never told a single one. You call Jim a liar when he states an opinion and it is perfectly clear that he has done just that, stated an opinion. You quote the opinions of a few hand picked historians, usually out of context and call anyone a liar who disagrees with them, usually scoffing that anyone could disagree with three experts.

Who miraculously happen to say something that feeds your prejudice.

Fascinating, really fascinating.

You and Goofus should start a debating circle. You could have your pet worm sat in the audience having orgasms whilst delighting himself listening to your erudite wit.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 12:45 PM

"Fuck-you-ism" is a description not a script.
I would say it describes your style of posting.

I only call someone a liar when it is unequivocally proven that they have lied, never for expressing an opinion however wrong I might think it to be.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 11:34 AM

and too many cussed 'cosses....

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 11:16 AM

you yourself

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 11:14 AM

You will not find any post of mine that directs that word to anyone. I may or may not have quoted someone else's use of it, can't remember, but even that would be a rarity. I don't use that word online because (a) I don't need to, and (b) because I post under my real name. And I take it from your comment about Big Mick's feelings that you have had it, privately, from the horse's mouth, as he has not commented publicly to that effect here, though he may well wish to, I suppose, if he reads this (but I care not a jot about what he might do). I should like to remind you, Keith, that before you make any more remarks of this nature you should remember that yourself are rather prone to calling other people here liars.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 09:07 AM

Ed, "Has anyone else noticed a tendancy toward "fuck-you-isms" on mudcat lately, that is increasingly surplanting debate?"

Steve, "It is a tendency which I do not subscribe to and which I don't care for"

It is my impression that you are about the worst offender.
That was Big Mick's view too.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: GUEST,a.c guest
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:40 AM

The debate here gets icky because of social loafing and people with control issues.Most people stop thinking when they reach their current limit of understanding and it causes tension which keeps us stupid.If you feel tension rising on a subject let it out by exploring it, sat in the park or somewhere alone.Brainstorming in groups has its pitfalls,plenty of good research done shows this.When people feel stupid or out of their depth they panic and a sort of social grooming kicks in where we all try make our particular group feel better.Usually with meaningless yeh buts n attacks.
          As for intolerance every human animal i have met has some energetic lid/repression,even the most enlightened.(unless they go Robinson Crusoey)
          Not a criticism post as imo at least you don't shy away from topics here and i never realised there was active mods so can't be that bad.

Subject: RE: BS: How to overcome *ism...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:21 AM

Dave ~~ Most things can be qualified by adverbs. But the -ist suffix, used without qualification, is nevertheless ambivalently pro- or anti-.

~M~