BS: BOF Credo

Subject: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 02:01 AM

Boring·Old·Fart credo:
to which, at age of 80+, feel self entitled:   viz that my Literature shall be Comprehensible;   my Art Representational;   my Music Tonal: naught else shall penetrate my perception-zone. —

≈Michael≈

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: gnu
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 05:17 AM

Laudable.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 04:18 PM

My literature is rather reprehensible, in that no book is too heavy to pick back up if I drop it...

...running and ducking for cover

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 04:53 PM

Amazing the number of us BOFs around.

Still have most of my teeth. Don't drool much....

Don Firth

P. S. Against youth, strength, and speed, experience, treachery, and guile will win every time.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: olddude
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 11:31 PM

Don't eat beans

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 12:29 AM

Don't worry. Be happy.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 01:43 AM

I am happy.

Jackson Bollocks & Finnegan's Snores & Karlpants Stocklousy do not penetrate my attention zone so I am happy.

That's my point.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 07:20 PM

Kandinsky, Picasso...?

got to admit - i sort of get it. but comprehensible....where does that leave James Joyce, and Dylan Thomas.

you know what Pound said - if I knew what the poem was about precisely, there would have been no need to write it. its an equation for an emotion.

bugger it! you wouldn't want to know everything, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 07:20 PM

Kandinsky, Picasso...?

got to admit - i sort of get it. but comprehensible....where does that leave James Joyce, and Dylan Thomas.

you know what Pound said - if I knew what the poem was about precisely, there would have been no need to write it. its an equation for an emotion.

bugger it! you wouldn't want to know everything, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 02:38 AM

Picasso is on the borderline of the representational very often, IMO. Kandinsky, otoh, has never really entered what I have called here my attention zone. Quick answer to that query as a whole is that some of the works of those cited will fall foul of my credo, others will qualify for appreciation. As with 'folk' [see passim] there is obviously going to be a wideish borderline involved in considering what qualifies within the taxonomy.

What I call my 'credo' applies far more, note, to individual works that to specific creators. So I can cope with much Joyce, but really couldn't be bothered to spend any significant time whatever trying to come to terms with F's Wake. Dylan Thomas I often do not greatly care for, sometimes for other reasons than just comprehensibility, but will state that I have an absolute overwhelming no-holds-barred love for Under Milk Wood [in which I was once delighted to be offered a smallish part and have emjoyed few productions more].

Hope that answers at least some of your points, Al. Glad you sort of get what I mean; and not sure, re your last point, that 'knowledge' is precisely the matter at issue. I mean, how can one 'know' what is deliberately stated in terms purposefully to militate against apprehension? -- a sort of 'back to ▢-1' question...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:09 AM

I read somewhere that James Joyce could be heard laughing and giggling as he corrected (= kept making changes to) his proofs of Finnegans Wake - in other words, it is not supposed to be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 06:24 AM

No doubt. But I fear the joke entirely lost on me. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:06 AM

All the above mentioned artists are your seniors.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:15 AM

Eh?

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:48 AM

i agree totally - joyce and dylan thomas have good bits, but when it gets incomprehensible. i lose sympathy. speaking as someone who has the greatest difficulty making myself comprehensible to jim carroll. i think why is it all right for him to talk in riddles, and i speak nicely - totally understandably, and get accused of having the vilest motives imaginable.

my annoyance with jj started during the second reading of ulysses when the words started eating each other - allegedly! however he was the reason i gave up studying science and decided to be an artist deploying silence cunning and exile.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 10:12 AM

MGM Lion, to my knowledge all the artists mentioned were born before you, so that your age cannot be a complete explanation for your objections.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 10:26 AM

Ah. Gotcha.

Haven't, I think, stated any 'objections' precisely.

I didn't claim age as reason for my opinions. Just meant that, when one is as bloody old as me, what gets to thinking, the hell with it, I'll just say what I like, or, as in this case, pay attention to what I like, and the hell with aught else.

Only we BOFs can claim to be so privileged. Or so we like to think...

Rational thinking? We BOFs don't care about such considerations!

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 11:34 AM

"Rational thinking? We BOFs don't care about such considerations!"

Ahhh.... excellent.. both an answer and an excuse rolled into one. Which means I can both adopt it and use the admission for rebuttal in debate.


hmmmmmmmmmm... ☺

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 01:00 PM

"Excuse" for what, Bill? I am unaware of having to make any "excuses" about absolutely bloody anything...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:24 PM

OK, it's "dislike". Everybody's perfect right, as amply claimed by young and old people. The rationality of a naive ideology of progress has always been as questionable as that of wholesale conservatism.

In the current century, where even "postmodernism" has become old-fashioned, all those labels have become pointless. Already in Hitchcock's time, cinema goers listened to atonal music without any complaint.

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:37 PM

" I am unaware of having to make any "excuses" about absolutely bloody anything..."

typical BOF reply! ☺

(I am using that irony I am so often accused of not recognizing)

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 01:15 PM

actually Bill - we spend most days on mudcat thinking up excuses for all the damage we have done to Jim's folk revival. All our excuses are routinely rejected in tones of great exasperation!

Subject: RE: BS: BOF Credo
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:49 PM

What, me worry?